219- Early Church Welfare, Roman Politics, and Modern Misconceptions with Brother Gregory Williams

This is the second part of the interview with Brother Gregory Williams.

Does the early church’s role in societal welfare hold lessons for us today? Brother Gregory Williams joins us to explore this profound question. Learn how the first-century church’s commitment to caring for widows and orphans stands in stark contrast to our modern reliance on government aid. Through historical accounts from figures like Justin the Martyr and insights into the political landscape of Augustus Caesar’s era, we dismantle common misconceptions about the legalization of Christianity under Constantine. This episode promises to shine a light on the true essence of Christian service and personal responsibility.

Our exploration of Roman history continues with an intriguing look at Julius Caesar’s conquests and the translation of ancient texts. Discover how Caesar’s actions intersected with biblical principles and Judaic laws, and how early Christians practiced social welfare through free will offerings, in stark contrast to Rome’s compulsory system. This conversation also delves into biblical interpretations, the Ten Commandments, and the societal structures of Abrahamic times, emphasizing the power of love and mutual care in maintaining societal bonds. We provide additional resources for those who wish to explore these themes further.

Brother Gregory also takes us on a journey of spiritual growth and social responsibility, discussing the importance of caring for parents and the elderly, aligned with the teachings of Jesus and the Ten Commandments. Reflecting on societal shifts towards selfishness, he underscores the need for repentance and a return to communal thinking. Personal anecdotes bring home the value of hard experiences in fostering growth and wisdom. This episode rounds off with a critical look at misconceptions about biblical interpretations, urging listeners to engage deeply with the unaltered teachings of the Bible for a more authentic spiritual experience. Join us as we uncover the timeless principles of truth, love, and community welfare.

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Chapters

• 0:10 The Historical and Political Impact
• 9:27 Customs of Ancient Rome and Christianity
• 16:02 Spiritual Growth and Social Responsibility
• 30:47 Spiritual Development and Community Connection
• 42:04 Seeking Spiritual Guidance and Connection
• 50:14 Christian Misconceptions and Biblical Interpretations

Transcript

Elias Marty: 0:10

if you're encountering this message, it simply means you have reached part two of the lengthy and epic interview with brother gregory williams. Okay, first part is episode 216. If you haven't listened to that or see it, go, go do that. This is part two. Okay, I'll provide a link in the description. Enjoy.

Brother Gregory Williams: 0:29

Men have to have a purpose in life. Women have to have the feeling that they've cared for somebody in life. But you say, well, no, it's the government's job. I'm just going to, I'm going to go sit in my pew and think good thoughts about my neighbor. I'm not going to actually do anything for him.

Brother Gregory Williams: 0:44

I mean, in the early church for a century, 100% of all welfare was taken care of by the people. They wouldn't eat at the altars of the pagan temples. See, this is the thing. If that was the priest's job, to make sure the widows and orphans were taken care of and that worship was actual service for the people, I can show you 150 AD, ad justin the martyr we call him justin the martyr because he eventually got martyred. He was. He wrote a uh. An apology of christianity, telling how christianity works. He actually sent it to antonius pius, who was the emperor at that time. He was the emperor just before marcus aurelius for a time frame. As a matter of fact, he tutored marcus aurelius when marcus was little. He sent him an apology saying how christianity worked.

Brother Gregory Williams: 1:29

He said we, we meet every week and he actually said that they were meeting on sunday because sabbath was still a day of rest. So they had their day of rest because most of the christians were jews. There were a lot of romans who were jews. A lot of other people, I mean that became Christians. An awful lot of Roman centurions became Christians. That's something, a topic we've covered quite a bit I'd like to add.

Elias Marty: 1:52

I want to interject for a second. Sure Listeners, I really do hope you are absorbing this like a soul. This was a well. It made me wealth of knowledge. I just I don't believe I know for a fact. He's just scratching his surface oh yeah, oh, there's a lot more there's a lot more skimming along like a rock on a pond so I really hope you just really gave some other christians are you offended enough? Let me ask the question are you offended enough?

Brother Gregory Williams: 2:22

no, what makes you a christian?

Elias Marty: 2:24

no, I would do a petty chat to me. I want to. I want to document your offensiveness. Get your name out instead of me. Bash you, which I would come in like a work of art. I'll pray for you instead and I'm gonna give you just a sample screen name um, I'm a god hater. One, two, three, four, five I'm gonna pray for. Okay, that's just a sample name.

Brother Gregory Williams: 2:43

Well, you know what's God's name?

Elias Marty: 2:44

Or atheist lover, I don't know? 5x, I pray for you too. Whatever other username is going to pop up.

Brother Gregory Williams: 2:51

You know you're talking about atheists.

Brother Gregory Williams: 2:53

Here's another little tidbit, another little skimming of that rock across the pond. What was the crime most Christians were accused of? I mean, the greatest number of accusations towards Christians that got them into trouble was that Christians were atheists. That was what they were being charged with atheism, because you couldn't see their God. And the reality is I mentioned that the emperor was imperator, means commander in chief. Well, that's not the only office that Augustus Caesar had. Augustus Caesar was the first imperator, means commander-in-chief. Well, that's not the only office that augustus caesar had. Augustus caesar was the first imperator. Julius caesar wanted to get that title, but you know they stabbed him a bunch of times before he could actually take it.

Brother Gregory Williams: 3:36

But that was his front stab by his buddies yeah buddies, yeah political buddies I guess there's revenge julius caesar along with mark anthony, but then mark anthony ended up getting into uh, it was all about power because their government. If you create governments of power, men who seek power will seek government, and the more men seek power in government, the less power you're going to have. And christ said you want your power back, your right to choose, you want your liberties back. I mean, the bible talks about the perfect law of liberty in the new testament, but anyway they're accused of having no gods. The, the, the, uh.

Brother Gregory Williams: 4:20

One of the trials that was in north africa. Because eventually christian Christianity was a legal religion. It wasn't legalized under Constantine, it was legalized by Pontius Pilate and actually by Christ. Because Christ told when Christ says my kingdom is not of your world, he was talking to Pontius Pilate. And Pontius Pilate was about to sit in the judgment seat. That's what it says there. He was going to sit in the judgment. He that's what it says there. He was going to sit in the judgment. He was going to judge whether Jesus Christ was the rightful king or not, because that's what he was claiming to be the king of Judea. He'd fired the money chain. He was seen in the treasury instructing the ministers of the treasury. How does an itinerant preacher wearing sandals out there on the street get into the treasury? Well, he's the king. They just hail them as king. That's the way they do. It pull out palm branches and hail them as king. That was the tradition back when other kings came into jerusalem so anyway.

Brother Gregory Williams: 5:20

uh, he says my king is none of this world. And Pilate's amazed. Well, he's just been saying the kingdom's at hand. I'm going to take the kingdom away from the Pharisees, I'm going to appoint it to somebody else. This is the cause that I came into the world.

Brother Gregory Williams: 5:35

But when he says my kingdom is none of your world, he used that same word constitutional order and system of government. When he said that, he was telling them you ain't got no jurisdiction, government. When he said that he was telling them you ain't got no jurisdiction, you can't try me. And so what does a roman judge do when he doesn't have jurisdiction? Tradition if you know roman tradition, you know he goes and washes his hands of the case. I'm I'm withdrawing myself from the case. We've seen a lot of judges lately making judgments of people they should have withdrawn themselves from the case because they were too closely involved. So, and the the truth is is that, uh, pontius pilate was closely involved.

Brother Gregory Williams: 6:10

His own wife was a christian. She was a follower of christ, donated to christ. They actually started churches. They were. They were exiled by rome. His, his wife was the favorite granddaughter of tiberius Caesar. He knew Tiberius Caesar personally, but he washed his hands of the case. He eventually ruled that Jesus Christ was king in an official document written in three languages on ebony wood covered with plaster, and that's what they wanted him to do away with. But he did get nervous when the Pharisees said he calls himself the son of God and that made.

Brother Gregory Williams: 6:47

Pilate nervous. Well, why was that? Well, here's, I'll give you just some of the offices that the emperor Caesar held. One was Imperator, commander in chief of the military. Another one was Apotheos. He was as the Apotheos, or Apotheos of rome. He appointed all the judges throughout the roman empire. They had to be approved by the senate, but he appointed him.

Brother Gregory Williams: 7:10

You know any governments that do it that way. Now all the federal judges in the united states are appointed by the president and approved by the senate, so but he also had principals. Civitas, that that would mean president of rome, chief executive officer of Rome, a municipality.

Elias Marty: 7:26

But he also had another office.

Brother Gregory Williams: 7:28

Son of God. Caesar was called the son of God. Julius Caesar was Augustus, caesar was Tiberius Caesar was called the son of God. As a matter of fact, if you were a member of the temple of Rome back when I was in the seminary, back many, many years ago, I used to ask all my professors at St Joseph's College what were they doing in these pagan temples? Well, we got a lot of articles on that, but that's too many stones going across the pond. But one of the things they did, they were in charge of the welfare of the people of Rome, the free bread. Who was paying for that?

Brother Gregory Williams: 8:02

Well, julius Caesar used to be the priest of the temple of jupiter, but then he had to get out of town because of political incorrectness, and so he got a job as a general of a military. He had to get somebody, had to pay his debts before the senate would let him leave town. To go to gaul. What, what are you doing? Gaul Killed a million Gauls, took their wives and children and sold them into slavery. He was going to be tried for war crimes. When he came back, a lot of Romans didn't like what he had done, because they had gotten reports of this. But he did something clever, started a great society. He donated equivalent of millions and millions of dollars to the temple of jupiter and they started giving away free bread. And the roman people loved julius because all these free bread and benefits he was giving out I mean like serious free bread listeners.

Elias Marty: 8:57

Are you making the connections? Does it sound very familiar?

Brother Gregory Williams: 9:03

yeah, I, I don't just serve bread here, we're meat eaters. This is a spiritual, this is a spiritual journey. I'm not for those who don't want to see the spiritual side of this. And this is what christ was saying the word of god was being made to none effect because people were willing to force their neighbors to contribute to their welfare. Now the Romans started this, not forcing fellow Romans, but Gauls. They made them slaves. They murdered them by the millions. Well, they estimate from 900,000 to a million Gauls were murdered by Julius Caesar in the war.

Brother Gregory Williams: 9:44

But you actually read the accounts of the wars which nobody teaches anybody in history. We have those accounts. I mean I was translating Gaul est partes, tres est, which is the first line of Caesar's report from Gaul. You know Gaul is divided into three parts. He eventually says I came, I saw I conquered. You know Gaul is divided into three parts. He eventually says I came, I saw I conquered. You know people are familiar with that, but you read the rest of it. But then you go read Tacitus and all these other historians and you'll get a different picture.

Brother Gregory Williams: 10:15

Now, I don't require everybody to learn all that history, I just find it fascinating. And it filled in those answers to me when I first asked the question's wrong. I don't. I can't figure it out. God, you're gonna have to show me law books, stacked two and a half three feet tall, showed up on my front doorstep out here in the desert. I know where they came from, but why somebody thought I wanted all those law books. I don't know. But I quote them extensively in our books. And then I, after I wrote covenants of the god, see, we're not to make any covenants with any other gods, right? That's what it says in the ten commandments, which aren't even commandments, they're ten statements.

Brother Gregory Williams: 10:53

but those ten statements, says thou shall not make any other covenants with them, nor with their god, but julius caesar was the son of god. Every year, if you were a member of the temple in rome, you were expected to buy incense from that temple at a ridiculous price and burn it before witnesses, and they would write it down and keep track. It's the same as the baptism of herod. They had to have a scribe write down that you are now a member. As a member, you're expected to contribute. Probably I can't prove it, but probably in order to be in the political office, pontius pilate had to burn incense in that temple to caesar as the son of god.

Brother Gregory Williams: 11:33

But now, when we say god, what does that word mean in the? In the greek that's the word theos and most of the time in the hebrew it's elohim. Well, the same word, elohim, is translated judges, guys, you, you know, if you, if you, you want to remain a servant to your master, he can only keep you as a servant for seven years in judaic law. But if you want to stay and live out the rest of your life with your master, you could go to the, the temple, even before there was a temple, because it wasn't. But you're supposed to pierce your ear and they probably put a ring in it so that it didn't heal up, and that was a sign that you were now going to be that master slave forever. He's going to take care of you, he's going to feed you. He's not because he's not supposed to be you or anything like that, but you. You're employed by him and you're also protected by and some people.

Brother Gregory Williams: 12:22

There's an old saying better to be a slave to abraham than a free man in egypt, because abraham treated everybody right. I mean, he had, uh, you know, when he was looking for a bride for his son. He sends his slave out to, to decide, and and the slave shows up with all these camels and and wealth and money and all this kind of stuff to to and ends up rachel, ends up being the bride to bring back. But the reality is, is that's a slave? The guy with all the, all they work together, because the most important thing is that you love one another and you take care of one another. You don't leave it to some unknown person.

Brother Gregory Williams: 13:06

But so if he's burning incense to the son of god, and along comes this guy, jesus, who people are starting to call the son of god, and that's what it says, the prophecy from the angel was he will be called the son of god means he's going to be in charge of social welfare for everybody who follows his way. That's what Christianity was called the way, and the way of Christianity was to take care of one another through free will offerings, because only that is the religion that creates the bonds of love that will hold society together when the economy collapses and there's food shortages and there's. It's not going to be, because you all got a pocket copy of the Constitution. I've written another book Contracts, covenants and Constitution but that's probably you should save that for another day.

Elias Marty: 13:56

Yeah, I think you have so much knowledge that it could be considered mental abuse at this point.

Brother Gregory Williams: 14:07

Well, you can find our audios under Keys to the Kingdom with Brother Gregory. They're all over the place and all our books are free online.

Elias Marty: 14:16

Out of love. Yeah, you don't need the money. So he's following God right there, so let's not do no Christian credibility checklist. Oh, our brother Greg, here he's a hypocrite because of ABCD. No, no, no.

Brother Gregory Williams: 14:28

Well, I'm sure somebody's going to come up with something, but you know, I have a broadcast every Saturday for two hours in the morning. We go through one. Bible chapter or another, and all those are available for free, both at Preparing you and like on most podcasts. But I also have an afternoon program where I'll take calls. So if somebody wants to come on with us and challenge us, we provide that every week.

Elias Marty: 14:58

But you know I don't get a lot of comers, I mean a lot of people come and listen but I don't get a lot of people argue.

Brother Gregory Williams: 15:03

I mean, I also have a book on romans 13 that was people kept asking rome, what about romans 13? You, you'll love my interpretation of Romans 13. I say my interpretation, but all I do is show you the meaning of the word and I don't just show you that it's my definition. It was Aristotle's definition, it was a poet definition, everybody. The word there that they translate power, sometimes they translate it government, and it does mean power. But in the concordance it tells you it's the power to choose, that it's the power of choice. That's the power. That is.

Brother Gregory Williams: 15:36

That's not a regular go now, your government may have the power to choose how much you're going to give this month. Yeah, the government may have a power to choose whether you get to have a gun or whether you get to drive one of their cars, or what. They may have the power to choose for you. But then we explain that's because of those covenants you made with the gods of that government. Because, like I would, I'll finish this up really quick and we'll come back to romans 13.

Brother Gregory Williams: 16:02

Maybe the the word god, adalham, theos in the greek. If you went into a court of law at the time of rome and you wanted to address the judge and most of the time a lot of these courts were in greek, because that was a universal language, that a lot of things were being written in, and you would address the judge as theos, because he was. That's what the word means. It tells you in the concordance theos means ruling judge, elohim means ruling judge. So you make a covenant with other men that now get to decide what is good and evil for you. You've violated the 10 statements. You've gone against what god's advice was. Just don't do that. If you don't take care of your parents, you say well, it's the job of the government to take care of parents. I've actually seen it where somebody wanted to turn their parents over to a home, not take care of them, and the government will pay for it and we'll just do that and the daughter said to the parents and I love all these people.

Brother Gregory Williams: 16:58

But the daughter said well, you tell me which home you send them to so I know where to send you when you need help. Well, guess what? They took care of their parents. The daughter out of the mouths of babes anyway, because it spiritually changes you when you start taking on those responsibilities. It's not always easy taking care of the elderly. My wife and I met in a convalescent taking care of the elder and uh, it's, it's a hard job, but hard makes us stronger and so we're supposed to do that, so that our days will be long upon the land. You don't do that. All this stuff that jesus is telling you, all those 10 commandments, these things, he's telling you how to be the government of the people, for the people and by the people. It's going to take a lot of forgiveness.

Brother Gregory Williams: 17:46

It's going to take a lot of caring and it's going to take a lot of love for one another strength back to romans 13.

Elias Marty: 17:52

It's gonna definitely take some strength and endurance as well, because it's definitely it's definitely not an easy path. No, this is why I've been saying to people lately they everybody look at me like I'm crazy. Hard experiences is good for you. This is why I praise God from when I was depressed. It got me stronger, wiser. I don't care, look at me crazy. I think you're crazier, okay a little bit I I haven't watched it for months, but I'll be like him a little. I I might even. I'm not even my 40s yet but, whatever it's, I know it's wise.

Elias Marty: 18:27

I'm gonna go with wisdom in the long term everybody thinks so short term and at the now that we've become blind that, and you know the level of selfishness that we have I'm doing kind of opposite what you're doing pointing out the, the bad, the ugliness of the society we have me, me, me, me, me, screw we, no, no, no, me, me, me, me, me, no, no, only me, no, no, no, we me well, that's that used to be.

Brother Gregory Williams: 18:52

Uh used to have a magazine when I was a kid, called People or no. Before that they had a magazine called Life, and then they had a magazine called People, and then they had a magazine called Us, and then they had a magazine called we, and then we had a magazine called Me or Self.

Elias Marty: 19:09

Or I this we need to turn that thinking around.

Brother Gregory Williams: 19:13

That's what repentance is we now it? There's a place to point out the bad in the world and the corruption but if you want a, solution.

Brother Gregory Williams: 19:21

You got to look beyond the bad. We are the solution. Before governments will change, men must change. I can't change other people. I can change me. I know taking care of other people, helping other people. And you know, I was put on this road way back when I was seven years old. God was giving me insight into where I was going, but I was getting bits and pieces of the puzzle. I just threw out about 500 pieces of the puzzle on your show and a lot of them aren't going to sit well with people and that's okay. But I jumped like I said this why I gave you the metaphor of skipping the rock across the pond. Yeah, I'm, I'm touching here, touching there, touching there, and you're saying wait a minute, he's going too fast. I, I can't, I can't take all, like you said, overload uh, but that's for the listeners.

Elias Marty: 20:12

Let me brag, let me be an arrogant person for a second. I'm keeping up just fine here. This is not new to me. The listeners no offense if you're overwhelmed. Be stronger. This is good for you.

Brother Gregory Williams: 20:25

This is training.

Elias Marty: 20:26

Picture it as military exercise, intense workout. It's going to hurt a lot, it's going to be hell. Eventually you're going to have heavenly growth.

Brother Gregory Williams: 20:37

I had a neighbor ask me if I would baptize him. He thought that would do him any good. I said well with you. He's quite a liberal. I love the guy. I speak him the truth all the time. He respects me, At least he seems to. The reality is that if I baptize you I won't mention it. I might have to hold you down under the water a little longer than other people, but. But if people have, fins.

Elias Marty: 21:08

You better have fish parts, because it's gonna be there for quite a while.

Brother Gregory Williams: 21:11

Gills might help before we're done now. I told him that right now they, they, he, he. I tell people the truth, truth, and I don't care how close it, because I'm not angry at people for not seeing the truth that's like being mad at dark. I. I just want to turn on the light. And you know what it does when you turn on the light the cockroaches leave the room. Cockroaches don't like the light, so yeah fungus has stopped growing too like frozen up.

Elias Marty: 21:42

Yeah, these filthy funguses that create diseases. They get them out.

Brother Gregory Williams: 21:47

Yeah, they stop growing yeah, and and the the kingdom is a kingdom of light and we're creatures of the light and that's what we all have dark places in our hearts in the past, traumas, etc. And it takes a lifetime to deal with all that and that's why God gave you life and I want you to have as much life as possible, but there are certain things that we need to go back and attend to in our life today. You know like, yeah, I study a lot about ancient history, but I bring it up into today. You know, early america had hospitals you know how they built hospitals.

Brother Gregory Williams: 22:19

We built hospitals, roads, um, we even built prisons with private donation, even as late as world war one. I've told this story many times. They needed ambulances in the front lines of world war one because they only had, you know, horse-drawn ambulances. They needed mechanical ambulances, and now we have trucks and vehicles to some degree, and they needed those to get the wounded off the front line. And so what it was? Should we get the government to issue the money and buy? No, the people donated enough money to buy 2 000 ambulances and pay their drivers to get men off the front lines. Donations from private parties. Thousands and thousands of people donated money. One of those ambulance drivers was walt disney, which that puts it back a long time ago. But uh, yeah, we've lost that in America. You want to make America great. We have to go back to that.

Elias Marty: 23:19

The first hospital system was done with people's works and private donations.

Brother Gregory Williams: 23:23

So there was no government. Yeah, and when the government?

Elias Marty: 23:26

started doing that. It was led by a group of women.

Brother Gregory Williams: 23:30

Well, either that or effeminate men. Uh, well, either that or effeminate men. But uh, because, uh, it is. You know, the fact is and I'm working on a couple other articles right now woman and I give this example of an italian couple this is a real thing. It's a video you probably find it, I should find it and put it on our website where a crazy woman came out, old woman with a dagger or butcher knife and started stabbing at a man and his wife and his five-year-old child. The woman grabbed the child and shielded it with her own body. The man leaped in front of them both and got stabbed and cut. But I mean, he eventually disarmed the woman, but he charged her.

Brother Gregory Williams: 24:25

The danger the woman protected, the nature of a woman, is to protect the homeland. She just does it in a different way. She still puts herself at risk. She still loves just as much, she's still just as strong in her way, because people aren't going to attack her, because she's not the threat they're gonna. They're gonna be trying to stab the guy and and the guy is running forward. So this different part of our nature, they're complementary. If we work together, they're absolutely essential for society.

Brother Gregory Williams: 24:57

Now magnify that times 300 million americans. Uh, we would be if, if 10 of america were to become truly christians in the way that the early church was following the way, if 10 of the americans would become truly israelites in the way the early israelites were functioning, with no government charity. That well, it was government charity, but it was a government of the people, for the people and by the people. The people were still providing for one another, but through free will offering it changes the whole nature and dynamics of society. I mean, most of the people that fought the American Revolution against a supposedly invincible army weren't getting paid. And even those professional troops that were getting paid, they were just getting paid to give something to their families that were back home, and a lot of times the pay didn't come through. So it took men like George Washington. George Washington bought all the uniform, bought all the guns for the Virginia Regiment out of his own pocket and other people did the same thing.

Brother Gregory Williams: 26:03

Now my own great-great-great-grandfather was in the Virginia Regiment with George Washington, at least one of them. You get back that far. I got lots of great-grandpas. But yeah, but back to Romans 13, just so people. A lot of times people say well, you never answered that one thing.

Brother Gregory Williams: 26:20

Well, I'm still around and I probably answered it somewhere. But Romans 13,. You know, let every man be subject to the higher power. The power there is the right to choose. It is the word exousia which, according to Aristotle, is the strongest word in the English language for liberty. It's even translated liberty in the same Bible. It's translated right in the same Bible. So if we put that word liberty there, let every man remain subject to the higher liberty, because all liberty is of God and there is no liberty but of God, and anyone who opposes liberty opposes God that's what Paul's saying he's saying, I myself won't go under the authority of any now.

Elias Marty: 26:57

How do you go under?

Brother Gregory Williams: 26:58

the authority of it, you apply for the benefits. That's how you went into the bondage of Egypt, where 20 percent of your labor was going to belong to the government because you wanted the benefits. He had to sign up and somehow they identified you as a member and you were going to have to pay. And it got worse. I mean in america when fdr presented the idea that we will provide you with social welfare through social security. You will never have to pay more than three percent. That's what he said, and they started out like a one, one and a half percent.

Brother Gregory Williams: 27:30

But it was the idea was a common purse, and the bible says that. Don't do that. It says you know the date, don't if. If you have an appetite for the dainties of rulers, the bible tells you to put a knife to your throat for their deceitful meats. That's proverbs. Same proverbs tells you that if sinners entice you and say let's all have one purse, that's socialism. He says consent, not. Well, that's how you went back into bondage. Today in america, in canada and australia, all over the whole world, is everybody consented because they wanted benefits that the churches weren't supplying, because they were building buildings and I don't know what they were doing, but they weren't being the temple of god, that they have a form of godliness.

Brother Gregory Williams: 28:16

And of course you're talking about Jesus. You're going to be talking about all kinds of good things. I know a lot of atheists that admire Jesus. They just don't like the church. We have no church building. Most of the time we meet outside, or we meet in with other people or we meet in homes. Of course, the early church was congregations of 10 families, so you could do that. But those congregations of 10 families had to organize in the tens, hundreds and thousands. They say tens, uh, fifties, uh, and and mark, because that was the only time that jesus commanded his disciples to do something. He would tell something, but they actually used a word that commanded his disciples to make the people organize themselves in these tens, fifties and thousands. Of course it was 5,000 men and their families. So if you know Greek math, you're going to go 10 times 100 times 50. If it was 10,000 men, it would have been 10,000. And that is the most predominant form of government throughout the history of mankind, according to Enterprise of Law.

Brother Gregory Williams: 29:19

I can't remember the author right now, steve something but anyway, and a lot of other scholars have been digging in that's one of the problems is, if you don't know what they're trying to hide and you keep studying, you might find it anyway, because you know I give you quotes on that. But do you have any questions?

Elias Marty: 29:43

No, I just interject a few times. This is all really really good. And you refresh some memories of mine, wondering why some things I said was crazy. But yeah, I stuck to it, even though a lot of people gave me disapprovals, cause I know there is some light and wisdom to it, like I, like I said, hard experiences is actually good for you, not this super convenient life has turned us lazy, so, oh, and very impatient. I think I was always impatient, even with, with, without.

Elias Marty: 30:17

Well, I think that's why God made me a shepherd out here, because nothing demands more patience than sheep.

Brother Gregory Williams: 30:23

Oh, we humans are sheep in a different way, Not literally, but we are sheep. Yeah well, the only sheep that we share actually are covered in wool. Yeah, so yeah, that's a project this year, as I've been shearing the sheep but I don't shear as many in one day as I used to getting up there, but I can still outwork most people, so I'm doing good. I have no complaints.

Elias Marty: 30:48

You have a lot of energy to spark. I'll tell you that Just to keep going on like this man. I mean mean normally I would have been just almost bored already, but me I'm pretty enlightened. She pumped up. This is stuff.

Brother Gregory Williams: 31:00

Well, I'm sure a lot of people doubt some of the things that I'm saying. Oh, that can't be because of the preconceived notions they already have.

Elias Marty: 31:07

The school system is a massive failure yeah, the well.

Brother Gregory Williams: 31:10

Jesus even told us, he said many he didn't say a couple of guys.

Brother Gregory Williams: 31:14

He said many are going to come in my name, thinking that they're doing stuff in my name, great things in my name. But he says get you from me, you workers of iniquity. Well, what is that iniquity? Well, it's the same thing. That Paul said was iniquity. Paul said you know, covetousness is idolatry. In Colossians he says this what's covetousness? That's desiring benefits at the expense of your neighbor. Now, a lot of people have done that and I'm not condemning them Because it says even the very elect would be fooled. It'd be a strong delusion that if you begin to see this, it's by the grace of God, and I think God's talking to all of us.

Elias Marty: 31:50

Some of us are putting our hands over our ears and humming or saying you know they don't want to hear. But the reality is I don't want to hear it. It's so difficult for me. I'm doing the sounds for the ignorant, go ahead.

Brother Gregory Williams: 32:04

Golem. I'm not listening. I'm not listening. So the fact is, god's talking to us all the time. We just have to start listening. And in order to listen, sometimes we have to be still and know what God is trying to tell us.

Brother Gregory Williams: 32:18

And, yeah, he sends people out, like me. He's done a little bit of research, but this is what I was meant to do. I'm the voice of one crying in the wilderness make straight the way of the lord. But you guys have to do it and we have a network. You go to preparing you and there's a network you can join. Doesn't cost you any money, it's. You can use an email, you can use an anonymacy and it. But it's based on geography. You know, if you're in texas, we want you to get together with people in Texas. If you want to meet with them, set up a meeting somewhere, at a restaurant, where they don't know where your address is, because we don't put any filter on that network.

Brother Gregory Williams: 32:54

But eventually, if you decide to form congregations of record, then we will bear witness to what we see and we have what we call the Free Church Report, which organizes, and that was the book I took to washington dc to bring it to lawyers to say like, does this make it?

Brother Gregory Williams: 33:11

And they were blown away that they they did thousands and thousands of dollars worth of work for free. And if you got lawyers working for you for free, I mean we paid for the original uh lawyer that I approached, and I approached him based on what God was telling me, but then he went out and got other lawyers to look it over. But we're showing you how the early church was organized 2,000 years ago and how you would do that same thing today so that you could become the social welfare of your society following the way. And so we're not telling people to you know, get out of the system or don't take any. You know some 80 year old guy is hearing this. He's on social security or somebody's on disability. We're not saying to stop. We're saying what john the baptist said seek ye first the kingdom of god and his righteousness, which is a network of people that care as much about you as they do themselves.

Brother Gregory Williams: 34:06

That's going to require that you have to start caring about them as much as yourself. But it's all free will, it's all about choice. But if you don't have the conversation, if you don't gather, do not forsake the gathering together, but don't gather together to get your ears tickled.

Elias Marty: 34:20

Yeah, I was going to say just one example of what you should not do. I said, oh, let me go take care of brother Gregory, because God told me to. That's not free will. That is not what he said. He wants to sincere out of your heart If you do it out of force.

Brother Gregory Williams: 34:35

Application no, well see, one of the things is that if people form these congregations I mean there have been people that supported this ministry, but I'm I. That isn't how this ministry, we, we don't make a lot of money at all and 90 of what uh does come in goes out. Probably more than that. I don't. I couldn't give you the exact figures or anything, but I don't have people sending me money and then I redistribute it to all of our ministry.

Brother Gregory Williams: 35:03

They give to the minister standing in front of them and they, I tell them, only give to him if he's doing the job. If he's not doing the job, don't give to him. But one of the things that we point out this gets in deeper than skimming the rocks. It's the in-between thing is that people have this mindset of getting a minister and he's going to be in charge of my spiritual development. My, you know, he's going to teach me what I need to know. Holy spirit is our team. He may know stuff. You know, some of our ministers are not all that versed in the bible. They've studied it. Some they certainly don't, maybe don't know as much as I do about history. They don't speak Greek and Latin and Hebrew, but they care about others. They connect with the 10 families that are in their congregation and then they connect with nine other ministers who also are carrying about 10 families. So now you've got 100 and you just keep multiplying. But the people are ministers to the minister. If he's not doing right, they got to bring it up.

Brother Gregory Williams: 36:07

You you go bring up in most churches you. Can you tell a minister? I don't think your teaching on this is correct. A lot of them won't have the conversation, they'll just kick you out of the church. They don't want to be questioned. I'm fine with it, that's. Another thing is that people join one of our congregations. They're surprised when they ask me can we still go to our old church? Absolutely.

Brother Gregory Williams: 36:30

We don't have any regulation over where the Holy Spirit wants you to go to this Catholic church or the Seventh-day Adventist church or to the Jehovah.

Elias Marty: 36:40

Witnesses, or whatever church it is, maybe not the Church of Saints?

Brother Gregory Williams: 36:43

but I don't know, maybe the Holy Spirit wants you to go there, but the idea is that you're bringing the Holy Spirit in there and witnessing for Christ. If you're not, you'll find out, and I've witnessed in front of a lot of people that were not in favor of that interview by the atheist that I talk about. It's still up on our YouTube, his Holy Church YouTube. I can't remember his name Terrible at names, but anyway, you can, it's available.

Brother Gregory Williams: 37:09

He was you know, he was a former I don't know what church, pentecostal or some Christian denomination, and then he just decided there was no God and this is all fiction and all that kind of stuff. And because he was throwing the baby out with the bathwater, because he saw the hypocrisy and he thought, well, christ was no hypocrite, but in the early church most of them were not hypocrites, but a lot of churches out today now, sometimes it's because they're hypocrites, but sometimes it's just because it's a strong delusion that the deceivers had their way with our education for years and years and years and people don't know what words mean, and so that's why we have to have all those footnotes. Because, check me out, but I've had heads of seminaries who would read my articles on Romans 13. Well, then he ended up in the book Because but he, I sent him a copy so that you know, before it was published, so that he could you know if I said something wrong, he could challenge me on it. Not a word, yeah.

Elias Marty: 38:09

Well, listeners, are you still here? Cricket sounds. I'm assuming it is alive. For the one of the 1% who is still here, I thank you. Your ears are going to be strained but it's going to come out a lot better. I can just promise you that if you are a receiver of God not just simply believe you can say I believe, say no, that's easy, that's the easy part. Yeah.

Brother Gregory Williams: 38:32

Well, we have articles on what a believer is. The Greek word for belief changes. I've seen this in courts of law. My father was an attorney, so was actually. I've been in court since I was nine years old and uh, but the the the judges will want to know. People say, well, I believe this. I believe that they want to know is your belief a conviction? Is this something that you believe so strongly that you're? You can't be changed from it, no matter what. And, of course, this is what Christianity was.

Elias Marty: 39:06

And that's actually what.

Brother Gregory Williams: 39:06

Judaism was in the early days, and that's one of the reasons why Aristotle was admiring the Israelites is because amongst them were these people who, no matter what you throw them in a lion's den, they're still going to operate this other way. And when they were found themselves, they woke up in the bondage of egypt. You know that the israelites at 400 years and they started waking up in this bondage of egypt. Uh, they had to learn how to take care of one another and to, because they weren't ready for freedom. That this is why and we go through we have a whole study on exit and we go through every chapter and we have audios with it as well.

Brother Gregory Williams: 39:47

It's all preparing.

Elias Marty: 39:48

It's all for free.

Brother Gregory Williams: 39:49

You can go there and listen to the audios and follow along and if you find something wrong you can join the network and tell us and we'll take a look, but we have done our homework.

Elias Marty: 39:59

I want to say this so freeloaders, information right there, it's like oh, oh, I gotta pay. You're selling me something. You haven't been paying attention and I'm just gonna just not take it very seriously. Just put anything like that in the comment. I'm just gonna skip you. I don't believe in delete and censorship. I'm just gonna skip the comment as of it doesn't exist. It's okay. What's those comments saying, ah, gregory talks so much. Yeah, I could agree with that, but I'm not going to entertain it. But he has a lot to offer. People have a lot of good things to offer. They get a pass, okay.

Brother Gregory Williams: 40:37

That's my rule. I'm just as hard on ministers as I am on the public. I had a group of ministers invite me to come and speak. I didn't show up because I was busy. And they actually came, sent a guy over to get me out in a field I was in an alfalfa field and he says you got to come, you have to come.

Brother Gregory Williams: 40:50

I says, okay, I got to go back and tell my wife I'll come over. I showed up. I started talking 10 hours later. They wanted to go eat and go to bed. What the heck? I've only been here for 10 hours and I was the old guy in the room holy spirit does great things.

Elias Marty: 41:07

I want to grow up just like you. I want to grow up just like that, spiritually, of course not, not literally. I'm biologically an adult. If you can't get a sense of humor out of it, there's something wrong with you, um, spiritually. If you want to, um, get like that, because me, I think, after three hours I said this is abuse. Sure, I can't stay still three hours like that but you know, but I'm slowly developing those on boss especially if it's really good stuff, then of course it'd be natural.

Elias Marty: 41:34

But if it's butch, if not, I'm just gonna walk out. And I don't even care, I seem rude or out of uncharacteristic, I'm just gonna walk right out. My time is volleyball and I've done that.

Brother Gregory Williams: 41:44

A few people walk out on me too, but that's okay. Usually they were already in the back of the room oh yeah, they weren't interested.

Elias Marty: 41:52

They didn't want that. The ears tickle if you, if you get to them, that is. But uh, they were interested to begin with. They had to be honest with themselves. They weren't honest. They should show up, that's it. They should not show up, but that's my.

Brother Gregory Williams: 42:04

That's my little spicy opinion what I tell people that want to come out here. We have a few events out here every year and, uh, when they they come out, I I tell them they ask well, can I come out? I says ask god, if god wants you to come out, come out.

Elias Marty: 42:19

If god doesn't want you to come out, I want to stay home see, that's a real god believer if it's god instructed, not because not elias say so or some I don't tv preacher say so, god say so. Recommendation, advice, wherever you want to call, it's not too forced, it's never too forced, okay. So I'm gonna say about that, um, so I think it'd be a good time just to wrap this up. Um, yeah, so where do you to go to his holy churchorg? And as we have a whole bunch of network studies, well, his holy churchorg is the basic website for the church and, but it has a lot of articles on it.

Brother Gregory Williams: 43:04

The books are there, uh, and once you know the title of the books, there's a search engine on every page. So just search that and you'll find the pdfs. And you don't have to give me your credit card number, you don't. You don't have to sign up or anything. Uh, at preparing you is where most of the most recent articles are a lot of our stuff that, you know. During covid, we were before there was ever even talk of a vaccine. We published studies that were by out of georgetown university, warning of all the things that we're now seeing from that. Uh, but no, that was suppressed by everybody else.

Brother Gregory Williams: 43:40

But this little shepherd out here in the middle of nowhere. When I sit down to type, I ask God what am I supposed to look for? You know, I mean, I literally that's the way I operate every day. I walk out on the front step. People always, like you, asked my kids. They're all grown, all home, taught, all successful, but they, you know, I go out there and I don't know what I'm going to do until I walk out the door and I'm consulting God all the time.

Brother Gregory Williams: 44:06

And how you do that. I think all of us can do that, but the world is constantly trying to distract us. You know, listen to this, you know, listen to that. Look at your phone. You know all that stuff. I have one of those phones now too. But the reality is, the more you seek the kingdom, that word corbin, the sacrifice, the corbin of the world and the corbin of christ, those two different kinds of sacrifice. Both governments require sacrifice. One's free will, the other one's forced so, but living by that for a free will, offering, sacrificing daily. If you're just a parent raising children, you know that that sacrifice makes the difference. Every, every parent knows you have to sacrifice for your children somehow or other you can overdo it and make your children weak.

Brother Gregory Williams: 44:52

But it's, it's part of life and it makes you stronger, it gives you purpose. But anyway, it comes from a hebrew words that means to draw near. A lot of times we can't hear what the holy spirit is telling us. We get little bits and pieces sometimes come through a little stronger. Uh, this inspirational guidance, intuition, you can call it all kinds of different things, but something's telling you, something's wrong with that, something, something's good over here. Pursue that, and so that, ultimately, is what you have to cultivate and one of the ways to do that. I mean, we teach meditation, we teach all these different things, but it's too much for the show. But yeah, preparing you has all that stuff. There's a search engine on every page and preparing youcom just all one word preparing, and you can search and you can join the network there and I get all the emails from the network.

Brother Gregory Williams: 45:42

But what happens is the people come on this network they're in Texas or Australia or wherever they're at and then eventually they form these congregations and the people in those congregations the most active people. They don't post on the net. If we start getting too many posts on the network in Texas, we'll divide it to East Texas and West Texas, because that's just an avenue where you can start to meet up and you pick a minister. I meet with the ministers every week and they can pass on a question and then I answer a lot of those questions on our weekly broadcast. I just slip it, man. I don't tell you that so-and-so is asking the question. So it's all available. How you proceed, how you go, don't make excuses, don't procrastinate. Time is running out.

Elias Marty: 46:30

So preparingyoucom right, I'm sure I can get that right.

Brother Gregory Williams: 46:33

Yeah, and hisholychurchorg. There are other sites but they're linked to off of those sites. Those are the basics.

Elias Marty: 46:45

Oh, okay, we got. All the audios are at caseofthekingdominfo. That's a good start for us to start digging through and all that good stuff. Yeah, we're all over that. No, that's great, I mean. Yeah, sure, time is running short, and me?

Elias Marty: 46:54

This is why I'm definitely a pursuer, trying to buff myself up spiritually, because I mean all this worldly stuff. They don't know what they're doing, but yet they are acting as wise. People that act wise are fools. Remember that. You know that's biblical. I forget where I might as biblically verse, but it's in the Bible somewhere. People who project to be wise are fools. Okay, and there's a lot of fools pretending to be wise on television, especially social media. Forget it.

Elias Marty: 47:22

I could go on for another 10 hours on that one on the rant. Trust me, you go to my old episode, my old content for that, especially me attacking TikTok and Twitter. I'm going to spare you from that, and you could go to my past self with that. Who don't mind doing that kind of thing? Me, I want to focus on better things, bigger things, more holier. Okay, I'm slowly becoming.

Elias Marty: 47:43

Maybe by age 40, I will probably stop using profanity. Maybe I cannot make promises. Like I said, I break them if I make. That's all I'm going to say about that. So again, it's holychurchorg and that's going to be the link in the description, so you'll find these links. You just click on it. It'll take you there. And preparingyoucom. Remember, there's no spaces when it comes to the internet, none, do that. That means you don't know internet. And if you're challenged, find someone who's tech savvy or someone who's a bit advanced in age, get someone you know a bit younger. In general this is generally speaking I can help you out with that. Just do that. Anything else you want to add? That can help you out with that?

Brother Gregory Williams: 48:24

okay, just do that, anything else you want to add? I know that's such a daring question, you know, yeah, that's a yeah.

Elias Marty: 48:27

I've all kinds of things ran through my mind so, if you enjoy this, I do have a subscription link. If you want to donate and, like I said, this is if you subscribe that'll be three dollars a month or there's a one time. There's a different link for one time donation to them. It's a podcast. I definitely do bigger, better things with this and, trust me, it is getting better, higher quality. It's not just pixelated nonsense. You get from zoom and and you know, and some guests who are just, and he's one of the better guests.

Elias Marty: 48:56

I don't care if 90 of you go against me. Jesus did not always have a popular opinion. That was pretty documented. Yeah, large crowds walk away from only a few states. So I'm just saying, sometimes I will challenge the terror of the majority. That's how I'm going to call you. Yes, if you say this is a bad episode, I strongly disagree. I'm going to override it. I'm serious about that. Sorry, enough of me trying to be a wall against negativity in your keyboard warrior comments.

Elias Marty: 49:24

Without the keyboard or the smartphone buttons. You don't have much of a brain up there and spirit is special. Spirit is strongly disconnected. You're. You know, we are like the phone in a way that we lose reception A lot of times. With God, a lot of us are disconnected. We got to find a satellite. That's where we get a whole lot of godly messages. We gotta be connected, gotta be in synced more often. That's analogy I could give to you youngins, you so-called cool kids. Okay, it's like we connected to the wi-fi to hear godly stuff. And, trust me, our reception doesn't always work. Sometimes it's blocked off because we're distracted with not that's the nicest way I could put it.

Elias Marty: 50:02

Trust me, I won't start swearing, I'm gonna. I'm gonna shut up. I'm going to shut up now, sir, I will say so. He said a lot. So if you enjoy this podcast, that's a big if. And I think I'm more worried about the christians now. After the concert, I was worried about atheists as we get. Now we're about the christians who got this obsolete abc's deceptive mindset, this. You know that. Oh, no, god, he's spreading misinformation through the bible. No, no, no, no. A lot of you just read the convenient watered-down version of the bible. You just get beat to pieces. You got the diet version if you like Peter's Digest.

Brother Gregory Williams: 50:42

You're not getting the full whole grain.

Elias Marty: 50:47

you know, undiluted raw extra virgin Bible.

Brother Gregory Williams: 50:52

Okay, All right.

Elias Marty: 50:53

All right, now let me just be nice and wrap. Hope you was listening. So for wherever you listen to this podcast or whenever you have a blessed day, afternoon or night,