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253- Exploring Political Power Struggles and Social Justice Reforms

Elias Marty Season 6 Episode 43

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Brace yourself for a thought-provoking ride as we uncover the intricate political dynamics shaping our nation with our special guest. Will the Republicans clinch the Senate while Democrats make surprising gains in the House? Our conversation unveils the internal struggles within the Republican Party and contrasts them with the Democrats' remarkable unity under the guidance of leaders like Nancy Pelosi. We confront the self-serving tendencies of some politicians and emphasize the critical need for genuine concern for the nation's well-being over personal ambition.

Shifting gears, we tackle the pressing need for police reform and accountability, advocating for a reimagined approach to public safety. The discussion champions integrating drug counselors and expanding support for the homeless as more effective solutions to societal issues than increased police militarization. We critically examine the controversial topic of qualified immunity, pushing for heightened accountability in law enforcement. Our narrative challenges the glamorous portrayal of police in action films, prompting a reevaluation of real-world policing needs and responsibilities. Tune in for an impactful glimpse into the crossroads of politics and social justice.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, elias. I have a very exciting political guest here and you know she talks some good stuff. Some of you might be offended by it, but you know your host's mentality of that. Oh well, it's all. Well, suck it up, be a grown-up. Be a grown-up. Okay, if you want to criticize, you can criticize. There's a comment section for it. Use that therapy, a therapy with public exposure. Okay, just think of it like that. And you know, every once in a while I'll read them when I get time. But if it's something constructive and helpful, I pay attention to those comments. Well. If it's, oh, your mom is so stupid and ugly, well, I'll pay attention to you when I'm bored, and that's only if I'm bored.

Speaker 1:

I'm a very busy person so I'm not gonna make this random monologue on too long here. We're gonna talk about a couple of political stuff and something interesting I think we talk about. That's not being talked about enough, unless you go to, I don't know, parental based podcast, I guess. Yes, I gave a little hint. We took court with this psychotic election cycle and lane and depressing. Yeah, I mean, congress made it just a little little more interesting, if I'm going to be honest, because it did, at least somewhat half-assed, take care of our criticism. Oh, we got two old white fools running. I voted for neither of them, by the way. So, kamala, she got a shot to get my vote. I guess We'll see. We'll see, or I might have to just sit this one out.

Speaker 1:

I don't really care about a presidential election too much, I just talk about it just a little bit. I'm more focused on the state, the Senate, council representatives. I think they're far more interesting. It has to change the dynamic, because just because the party wins presidency doesn't mean you got a lot of power. No, it doesn't work like that. There's the senate, and once the republicans take the senate which is projected to be the case, I'm not surprised.

Speaker 1:

My prediction is going to be a two-seat majority. That's my guess. One to two seat majority republicans house representatives, however, is looking more interesting. It's slightly favorite republicans, but I'm gonna go against that. I think the dems are gonna take the house. There's so much buffoonery in the on the republican led house representative. I mean, if the democrats can't it, then I got a lot of colorful things to say about that. They have a shot. They could defy those polls. I think there's a real opportunity right there and 207 seats are pretty safe for Republicans. 24 toss-up, so there is room right there. And when I check on a lot of those toss-ups, some are Democrats, some are Republicans, so it's anyone's game. I'm guessing Democrats are going to take it with a probably 5 to 10 seat majority. That's a little bit bold, but that's a prediction I'm going with 10 is pretty bold.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm probably gonna go with 10 I I dream of that at least.

Speaker 2:

Then it's a, then it's a lot less stupid in the house. It's you know you're actually working there, but I don't think it's I. I think it's going to be closer.

Speaker 1:

You're thinking like more like a five-seat at least.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, very razor Very razor.

Speaker 1:

I mean, we really had a razor thin. You know it was a four-seat majority that went down to one-seat majority and yeah, that's why a lot of things are not being done. All it takes is one dissent from the Republican Party. I don't want to do this shit.

Speaker 2:

The Republican Party right now is basically three parties that can barely work together. That's the biggest difference between the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, at least in House. If they have a good leader I mean nancy pelosi we can complain about her all she wants, but she is great at cracking that whip. She gets oh yeah, she gets everybody out in line. But they don't have that in republican circles and I don't think they want it.

Speaker 1:

I mean Mike Johnson talks a tough game a little bit and then he caves as soon as he gets pressure. I mean no better than Kevin McCarthy there. I mean Kevin McCarthy is like the most spineless leader I've ever seen and I'm not going to talk too much about it. I already talked about it in my episode about how foolish it was. It was going to be short term and of course I'm not surprised. I'm right and I got criticized for it. I don't care, Let him be, I let him be. I just warned. I didn't say, oh please, stop Kevin McCarthy. No, I said you could be a fool, all you want, by all means, Give me a spectacle. And that's what he did. All it took was a few psychopaths to get him out, like Matt Gaetz, and that's what happened.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that's the issue. Though. They want the spectacle, they want the news coverage, they don't care about the country. That is. What needs to be realized is they don't give two shits about the country at this point. They care about themselves, they care about keeping themselves in office and they care about keeping the news cameras on their faces. And if people, people like them are still in power, we're we're not going to have a republican party or or any government right now that's going to do what is necessary for the American people.

Speaker 1:

No matter what you believe. Yeah, it's not about belief, it's about basic functioning which has been deteriorating.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

So let's be honest about that, and I love how the Republicans try to spin this oh, this is how democracy really works.

Speaker 2:

That message is oh, you're studying past. Throw water on Congress bill if the building was on fire.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, that was staged. Oh no, that was. That's their fault, your problem. You should figure that out. Yeah, no, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, burn up in the damn building before they decide to work together oh, that's a russian spy that fire.

Speaker 1:

Or oh, this is a. Oh, this is an unpatriotic american because it's burning down the listen. I could come up with nonsense. I could go on for hours, but that is just not the point. It's. The point is it's very dysfunctional. We can't even get our abc functioning. Act together. That's the main point. And, oh lord, I mean and this is coming for someone who's becoming like a disillusional moderate, someone who's been in both parties I've been a democrat before, I've been been a Republican before. Honestly, you're both equally fucked. I'm an I at the end of the day. Yeah, I gotta convince me. Pitch me for a vote, if you care, which sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

Speaker 1:

Democrats are just.

Speaker 2:

I mean at this point, democrats don't. Democrats want to believe, want to believe that they're, above all, the Republican fuckery. They want to think that they're better than everybody else, but they're not, and Republicans cause a lot of fuckery. Now you can Sure there's some backstabbing and wheeling and dealing and all that sort of stuff in the background, but when, at the end of the day, it should be a group of people who want to make their country, their home, their city, their state, their, whoever they're supposed to be representing, better. And if you can't do that, you need to not be trying, not be running for office yeah, stop going there for clout and paycheck and you know, and unbridled influence, whatever the heck.

Speaker 2:

But yeah, I mean the wheeling and dealing should be. You're in the back room going hey, I need a new bridge and you want to pass a bill for a new bridge in your town. Let's get together and make our two bridge bills together and work on it together. That's the kind of backroom deal I would love to see. Or I'll sign your bridge deal and you'll sign my bridge deal.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, something like that. But no, it's all about I help my friends screw you as long as it benefits my people, your people. You go jump off the cliff while I care and then I get free tickets to Turkey. We can't even get a decent concert in Turkey. That's the best we could hope for. Hey, turkey's pretty.

Speaker 2:

I've been there it's beautiful, food's great, but come on, let's not be taking free.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you meant Turkey's crunchy. Oh good, I'm thinking about food, I'm getting hungry, anyways. Anyways, I was glad you were so mild nation and I Turkey's the country. Oh good, I'm thinking about food, I'm getting hungry. Anyways, I was glad you were so about the nation. I'm keeping that in there. It adds some authenticity. Your house is hungry, fyi. Anyways, I'll see about turkey as a meal, yeah my brain is already on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2:

Now we're just Up here in Michigan. We're dealing with some ridiculous commercials and the Trump-Harris battle of Harris Harris is dangerously liberal. The commercials that I'm seeing up here in Michigan is they're using liberal as like they're calling her the C word. And I'm sitting there going. I don't Liberals don't find that insulting at all. You can call me a liberal, I don't care If I mean dangerously liberal. Oh, I would like universal child care. Oh, I'm dangerously liberal.

Speaker 1:

I think, if anything, it's going to push more liberals, or even soft liberals, to go to that camp.

Speaker 2:

Dangerously liberal, ooh.

Speaker 1:

I mean, yeah, you're a swing Stacey. Yeah, you're getting swing Stacey. Yeah, you're Getting that kind of ads. New York is still pretty safe, blue, and I think the Democrats are going to gain Back whatever they lost. That's my prediction.

Speaker 1:

I said this is a game that Republicans Got was temporary, because I do agree With the criticism. They were soft on crime and Nancy Pelosi, to her point, she was pissed about that. I said no, you got to get out, act together. Got to be tough on crime at leastancy pelosi, to her point, she was pissed about that. I said, no, you got to get out, act together. Gotta be tough on crime at least look like it, you know, look as tough as crime. As republicans we got to match them at that, at that message at least. At least that's what nancy pelosi thinks and I, to be honest, I kind of actually agree. I said no, don't talk about defund and all that other stuff. I I was even against that and I'm about police reform, don't get me wrong, I am for that stuff. But I think these films, that's kind of that kind of it was fucking cringe.

Speaker 2:

It's all about the language. That's the problem. Most people, when they're in the defund the police movement, were more wanting money going from constant policing to being spread out to different social organizations such as rather than calling the SWAT team on somebody who look like they're crazy, let's you know, let's take them to a psychiatric facility. Let's you know, let's take them to a psychiatric facility. Don't throw people in jail when they need to go into a psychiatric facility. Things of that nature.

Speaker 1:

Basically, instead of giving cops right gear all the time, let's try some, you know, let's slow it down. You see they were talking about that. I would open to that conversation, but not these idiotic slogans and things that could be easily misconstrued or even twisted. I mean, look, I'm for, I'm, I'm for police reform, I'm for people getting help and all that. But you see, you gotta be honest about conversation. I do agree, language does matter. That's why I did to your point and I heard that's a no, no, no, no. I was even arguing, I think, more fiercely with the left than this was another no, no, no, no, no, no no, most I mean sure there are those people out there who are like we don't need police, let's defund them all.

Speaker 2:

Get, get rid of the police. It's like no bullshit. We need a police department and we don't live in a world where we can have what the fuck does that show up. We can't have the cops that are in Mayberry. We can't have them just walking around, you know, without a gun in their hands, because we could Imagine a bunch of Barney Fives walking down the streets of Chicago with no guns. No, but if we're in a small town like I live in, don't we need cops with riot gear Like, no, we need drug.

Speaker 1:

We need drug counselors Rather than giving the cops riot matters yeah, we need drug counselors.

Speaker 2:

Rather than giving the cops riot gear, we need to hire drug counselors. We need to build more homeless shelters, things of that nature and like, yeah, the police need to be a part of it. I do think we need to get rid of qualified immunity, though.

Speaker 1:

I think that Hold on now. I'm with with you. I'm with you 100 on that one, because I I yeah that qualified immunity thing. You know the police has abused it too many times. There's too many examples.

Speaker 2:

I could pull up with that as a no I think we I mean, I think a police officer just needs to be able to answer for every time they discharge their weapon that they are not john mccain. In one of what movies? Those movies that I'm blanking out, basically all of those movies where john mccain goes around and shoots terrorists he's essentially john ramble in the sense, okay great. I mean, it was the 80s, they were all the same movies. Bruce Willis is playing a character named John McCain.

Speaker 2:

I can't keep blanking out on the name of that movie.

Speaker 1:

Simpler times.

Speaker 2:

I know right. All we had to worry about were terrorists. What the?

Speaker 1:

That's my chapter man. But, yeah, man, but yeah, no, go ahead but.

Speaker 2:

I mean still At this point. At this point, the ads are ridiculous, though, where I just I sit there, and if I sit there and I watch these ads that are basically really only showing up on my son's youtube feed, like my, my under 10 year old son and he's watching kid shows and I'm just like my under 10 year old son does not need to hear commercials about transgender prisoners being given hormone therapy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I agree with that, he does. Yeah, algorithms, you, corporate people. I blame you for this one. You got the control of it. You spreading that kind of message.

Speaker 2:

I mean, don't get me wrong, it's like I just think that he doesn't need to be receiving any election information. He's under 10 years old.

Speaker 1:

And I wonder kids stresses through the roof. That's what an example yeah, kids stresses just through the roof. I mean, when I was a a kid I never used the word stress, never. I was never my vocab. I say mad, even pissed off, even a few curse words, but stress was never my vocabulary until I was 15 years old. These kids six, seven, eight they're very familiar and use the word, probably stress and they actually feel it.

Speaker 2:

There's something really bad going on in this country I'm not a parent but I grew up during the pandemic. They were little kids during the pandemic and anything that you learn reading parenting books and stuff like that is a kids. When they're growing up, they, they almost they internalize what they're, what all the adults around them are feeling. My younger son, my older son, my younger son, was in the lab during the pandemic but he was stressed out, he was stuck at home, he couldn't do anything, he couldn't go to the park, he couldn't run off all that steam and we were stuck in the house longer than people up here in Michigan because we were living out in Maryland and we were hit pretty hard because of Baltimore.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, oh yeah, and of course NYC was hit pretty damn pretty, not pretty very hard. I mean, it was like the last part, the last region of New York State to open. Okay, all the other upstate counties opened up months I'll say, if I'm going to estimate correctly I could be wrong like six to eight months earlier than we did, because you know they didn't govern the Cuomo at the time and I think he used a clever analogy it's like a valve, it's not an on and off switch. You release it little by little. I gotta say that was a very good analogy that he used. So, even though I think his press conferences was egotistical, I think too irresponsible, it occurred too often. I said, dude, you should at least do three days a week. You're stressed out. I could see it, especially when he snapped that kind of laugh. I said, dude, you're human. Just you give yourself that kind of pressure with the media. Stop giving them what they want. They're troublemakers, okay.

Speaker 2:

They sure shit are.

Speaker 1:

That's all they are, but um, anyways, before, as much as we could go jumping from one thing to nothing, nothing, um, I'm sure our listeners want to know oh, what's going on 2024? What the heck is wrong with you, hoes? You're losing your mind Partially, I am okay. Yeah, what's that? At least I own it.

Speaker 2:

We had one election that we all had in our mind that was going to happen. It was the replay of 2020. Geriatric old men running for office. Which geriatric man will win? Who will take their canes over the line? And then, kamala, kamala, kamala, kamala, they. They did it. The democrats did it.

Speaker 1:

They actually changed their they I will say in a very messy fashion. I could criticize samory did that with another guest, but I think, like I said, I think they put Kamala at such an unfair advantage on the timing that they change her, because she has to go 300 miles per hour, adapt, adapt, adapt. But I don't know if this made it to some extent, because she's pulling decently well. I mean, she's neck and neck with this guy and she was at a disadvantage. Was she, though guy and she was at a disadvantage? Was she, though? I mean disadvantage in the sense that she had to prepare for presidency. So, just oh, I'm going to be vice president again.

Speaker 2:

I wonder how long they were actually thinking about this. I think they waited to announce it to a very strategic point. I think they waited right after the Republican conference. They made sure they had all the media attention. They could take all the media attention away from the Republicans and they did it at a very strategic time to announce that they were switching candidates.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and this is why I said the Biden bad performance was just the. That was just a nail in the coffin. That's okay. I'm sure they planted this for a while. I'm sure they did, because even they knew that biden's mental acuity was a decline, decline. They was aware of that. But of course they had a lie. You know they playing oh team democrat, no, you're exaggerating, you're republicans are mean against old people, kind of narrative, and I'm sure they planted this for a while. And you know this thing. I always tell republicans you, my republican friends, don't underestimate democrats. They give you a nice front, even a vulnerable front, but they planning something strong in the back. Republicans will obviously put a tough front and then, once you open the curtains, there's nothing but chaos there. So, democrats, they put mess right in front of you, but behind the scenes they're doing something. They're focused on that.

Speaker 2:

I think to your point. It is very. I wonder, though. I wonder if they wanted Kamala and they didn't think that she could win the primaries. They didn't think the country they didn't want it to be the primaries to become a race thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the primary vote was already said. They voted for whoever was most familiar, and that was Joe Biden.

Speaker 2:

No, but I'm just saying that if Joe Biden had said you know what, not doing a second term way earlier and Kamala went into an open primary, I wonder if the Democrats are like let's do this sneaky sneak and not have her run through the primaries so it doesn't become a race thing.

Speaker 1:

Ah, I see yeah. I don't know, but it's fun to speculate Because we live in a world where that's a thing Yep, yep, yep, yep and there's rules for it in the convention.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, there are no-transcript uh-oh, voting process exposed those, the primary votes, mean absolutely nothing. They want you to believe it means something. Usually they go with whoever the states vote for, but in reality five dudes could go in a back room and be like I choose you Pikachu.

Speaker 2:

As long as you fit the constitutional credentials of being over 35 and lived in the US for so long and all the other stuff. You would hope that they pass the sex, drugs and rock and roll test, but Donald Trump is running, so who cares about that anymore?

Speaker 1:

You hear that Pokemon reference millennials. Enjoy your little nostalgia candy.

Speaker 2:

I have to explain stuff like that to my kids.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, the general. I know the younger one. He's definitely alpha, he's currently set on alpha. And then if I'm going to go minus 10, probably I forget what a Gen Z crap is. Maybe it's 2012. I don't freaking, I'm losing track.

Speaker 2:

No, but it's the funniest thing in our house recently is my son came up to me and my husband and was like hey, guess what? And the both of us at the same time went f***ing butt.

Speaker 1:

Oh God, I haven't heard that in a while.

Speaker 2:

And then there's my son going generational gap people.

Speaker 1:

Some people get it, some people don't, you know, but hey't, this makes life interesting. So, alright, I think we'll start with the fun question who do you think is going to win the presidency at?

Speaker 2:

this point, unless there's some bigger surprise, I think Kamala's going to win by this much. She's going to win by this much. She's going to win by a hair, but we're not going to know for sure until late December.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think that's inevitable based on every single point. It doesn't matter if it's Trump winning, kamala winning, it's razor thin margins, because three to four points don't mean a damn thing. Nope, not at all. If it was at least seven to ten, fine, but no, these are.

Speaker 2:

I mean, it's all about the electoral college as well. It's not even about popular vote, it's about the electoral college. So we gotta just see how that all goes.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I did talk to more right-leaning friend, um, and I said we I think we need to change a little tour college. I don't believe in abolishing it. I believe it needs to be more proportionate. For example, if it's 60 40 favoring kamala, more a little tour cost you needs to go towards towards Kamala than the other 40% goes to Trump. It needs to be more proportionate, making it more representative Instead of winner. Takes all the only two states that kind of does that with their special districts and things is Nebraska and Maine.

Speaker 2:

Then there's no point in the electoral college if you're going to just do it that way. None. We live in a world where we can, where we can know what the popular vote is. The founding fathers they there wasn't. There wasn't really a true way to know, and there are state laws that are enforceable that say that the, these electors have to vote for who they were, who they were sent to vote for. So it's not which.

Speaker 1:

I agree with because legally, but prior to that, it could have just said forget the popular vote, I'm going with Trump. They all come, I want Trump or vice.

Speaker 2:

But that's the but that was. The point of the Electoral College is that it was the last check of the popular vote and that they could change what the state actually wanted. But nobody wants that. We know what the popular vote is. We know exactly how many votes went to Harris or to Trump and how many went to Biden. So let's just get rid of this electoral college shit that we don't need that is a remnant of the past and move forward.

Speaker 1:

Well, I feel sorry for the small states.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't even matter though the small states. Who cares? Those people can move to a bigger state if it really matters to them. I'm also not really a big fan of federalism, though, but that's just.

Speaker 1:

That's a totally different conversation though nah, yeah, I mean it kind of think of it. Yeah, this kind of ruined the point of the electoral college if it's going to be representative proportionately yeah yeah, that, yeah, now I see that. Oh well, mine changed, so we're going with Kamala by a small margin.

Speaker 2:

Very small I'm still going with.

Speaker 1:

I'm changing it from Trump's small margin to Kamala. The way things are going, Mark Robinson is going to ruin it for Trump, the North Carolina official toss-up state, which is good for Kamala.

Speaker 2:

I think abortion is going to be a bigger issue than Trump is trying to make it. I think that the economy is really the biggest issue right now, even though Trump's trying to make it the border crisis. He's trying to make it that, but it's the economy. It's always going to be the economy, because what we truly care about is how much it costs to buy a dozen eggs and a loaf of bread. And a gallon of gas.

Speaker 1:

Yep, I mean Republicans were on it until, yeah, they started focusing more on the border. Yep.

Speaker 2:

I mean Republicans were on it until, yeah, they started focusing more on the border. They're trying to focus on the border because of the whole borders. Are she failed as the borders are?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, we'll see it's economy versus abortion versus abortion, the economy, abortion and they're trying to make the border a bigger thing than I think anybody is really gonna, than any regular run-of-the-mill voter actually cares about, except for maybe down south, down the south. But most of the countries like how much does it cost for eggs? How much are my taxes going to go up?

Speaker 1:

And that's where all 50 states care about. Yeah, plus even the territories you want to clue them in there.

Speaker 2:

Democrats need to be talking more about Project 2025. Because that thing is scary.

Speaker 1:

If that thing ever gets implemented. That is scary shit Well.

Speaker 2:

Trump is trying to deny it. Be away from it.

Speaker 1:

He's trying to deny it, but all his best friends wrote it, yep.

Speaker 2:

All his best friends wrote it. I knew nothing about it, even though my three best friends all were involved. Bullshit, bullshit.

Speaker 1:

Well, there's one thing I can believe. Let me just defend Trump for a second. I believe he has so much ADHD and busyness that he can never craft or even have his input on. Maybe he was aware of it, you know, I won't say that much, he was definitely aware of it, but trying to craft things and write things, he had so much ADHD and all of that other stuff. That's how the SQ believes At this point.

Speaker 2:

I don't even know what Trump actually believes. I think he just wants to be empowered and I think that if he could be empowered with any other party, he would be in power with his own party. I think he would make his own party, but he knows he needs to stay a Republican because of the way that this country works.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, If he had everything his way, he would have been the MAGA party. They would try to destroy both Democrats, Republicans. Let's be honest, it'd be the most vicious third party.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it would be it would be, but it still wouldn't win. Oh, oh, it would be, it would be, but it still wouldn't win.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, it wouldn't win, but it would be the most, I'll say. The spectacles it could generate. It makes the Republicans look more If Trump created the MAGA party.

Speaker 2:

I think it would destroy the Republican party as we know it.

Speaker 1:

And then that would take over, just like the Whig eventually die out and the Republicans fill out that void. Hey, history can't repeat itself, it's just. I think one party used to be so weak that that's the only way a change could happen, and, believe it or not, they're still kind of stable.

Speaker 2:

In terms of financing, they're still kind of stable.

Speaker 1:

In terms of financing, not function In terms of financing. It's just simple existence. Well, yeah, makes sense and say that's all that's needed, which is a shame, really, because we need to change things. I'm not impressed with either party, that's all I'm going to say about that. I mean, let's see, well, I'll talk about this real quick. I definitely going to say about that. I mean, let's see, well, I'll talk about this real quick. I definitely want to get to that parental, how government can help parenting.

Speaker 1:

I think that's an interesting topic. Real quick, about the lovely dock workers which I believe Trump sent up, okay, to tank the economy so that the vote could go to him. That's what I think, at least. It's speculative, okay. So don't say I'm spreading like fact Ugh, maga people. Anyways, I think we lost at least billions of dollars with that very short strike that I think. Of course, biden and the union leaders came to an agreement. I would say pretty dang quickly Three days, yeah, three days to be exact, yeah. And the union leaders came to an agreement. I would say pretty dang quickly Three days, yeah. Three days to be exact, yeah. It's like they said $5 billion a day. If they stop productivity, halt productivity altogether. So that's 15. Okay, 15 billion Still a lot in such a short time. Do you think that's still? Do you think that's just a minor distraction to try to take down Kamala Harris? Or am I just misreading this whole?

Speaker 2:

damn thing. I mean, there's two ways to look at it, one being that unions work and we got this strike handled in three days, because how long does it take anybody to agree on anything? Three days, that ain't bad. Two, was it a bit of a distraction? Yeah, but it didn't work very well. I mean, we're still getting our amazon prime packages. That's true. Amazon wasn't affected by, like I, I got my, I got all my shit that my mother-in-law sent my kids. I mean, at the end of the day, it didn't. It was three days. No, it was a Tuesday, wednesday, thursday.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it was the first, second and third. Yeah, the first three days of October.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, but it was like it was a blip.

Speaker 1:

It was this little spook start of the month.

Speaker 2:

Wasn't like the, it wasn't like the actor strike, it wasn't like any, it wasn't big, it wasn't like even the auto workers. It was done, it was dusted and $63 an hour.

Speaker 1:

Shit. Oh yeah, they're getting big pay. They're getting paid. They're going to get paid.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, but it's also, they're doing a dangerous job yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Let's not lie about it. It's dangerous, it's hard work. I think the bigger issue in this country is that. You got the question of all right, I own this company. I own this company and when I was a kid I made $10 an hour, so I think I'll make it $15 an hour. But I'm going to take a big old raise and make billions of dollars as the head of the company because the government doesn't raise the minimum wage.

Speaker 1:

So why should I pay my, my workers more? To your point, with the wealth equity gap between the employers and employees, the relations between employer and employees that very low, so much orders are coming up about how crappy the employers treat the employees is getting worse less benefits, more work. They expect to achieve success of three people on a good day and on a bad day. You could probably double or triple that number. Yeah, and benefits has gone down for workers. I mean they say pay, pay raises went up, but maybe by what? By very little bit, while the inflation continues to outpace wage growth. This, this is not leftist talking points. You could say that all you want is just to dismiss this argument. These are facts.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Okay, these are facts.

Speaker 2:

You want to dismiss them? Go right ahead.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2:

You give people a raise, but it puts them into a wage, into a new tax bracket, that they end up getting taxed more and take home less money because of that higher tax bracket.

Speaker 2:

Yay, nah, nah, nah, nah you put somebody on salary but then expect them to work more hours, so then they're really making less per hour. No, what we need are business owners who are willing to take home only $1 million as opposed to $10 million and spread that money amongst their workers. Nobody's going to do that. Nobody's going to be like, hey, happy, hey, I'm going to take less money, so we raise minimum wage. But instead of business owners being like, oh, I'm going to take less of a bonus, they just raise the prices of everything.

Speaker 1:

So I always got to pay that bill, pay that increase and always dumps down to the customer increase and always dumps down to the customer.

Speaker 2:

So it's like even if you keep raising the minimum wage, these business owners aren't going to be nice guys and take less of a and take less home.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

That's the trickle down theory. It's not. It doesn't work. Does it work? Because if you have $15 million, you want to take your $10 million home.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean ever since. I'll say what correct me if I'm wrong in the decade, like 1950s, 60s, the gap just continues to widen and widen. Actually, yes, since the 70s, the gap between workers and employers has widened, widened, widened ever since, and it's still continuing today. So these are facts, these are statistics and, whether you like it or not, but how do we fix it?

Speaker 2:

It would need to be just a fundamental mind shift of Americans. We can't fix it by raising the minimum wage. We can't fix it by raising the minimum wage. We can't fix it magically, Because either we're going to have increased prices. Maybe the only way we could fix it is making a law saying that business owners can only take a certain percentage of I don't know. But then that would just be communism.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, I'm gonna. I could picture the commentator oh, you're supporting communism. I could just. I could picture the hate.

Speaker 2:

There's no magic pill that's going to fix this. There's no magic pill that's going to fix this. There's no way to even it all out.

Speaker 1:

It's really difficult. I wish I had an answer to that. It's rarely that CEOs and owners are that generous and they don't even get publicized for it. It's very rare, let's be honest.

Speaker 2:

Because people want pizza parties. Nobody wants a pizza party. If it's a choice between a pizza party and $3 an hour or more, I think a worker at Walmart would be like I'll take that $3 an hour or more, oh yeah, easily Even 50 cents an hour more.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, easily, that's an easy choice for them. Maybe it would take some convincing mind shift.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's the most democratic way we could talk about it. It's all mind shift, as opposed to some magic law that Congress could make, as opposed to some magic law that Congress could make. Basically, the 80s was this whole me, me, me, me, me. I want to get as rich as possible generation, and those people are still in power. All those people who were going to college and just starting out in the corporate world in the 80s are now the ones who are in political and in power and business.

Speaker 1:

Yep and they're still in charge. For the most part they're still in charge and they made sure they did that to their legislature.

Speaker 2:

They had the long game planned out and they didn't have the long game of being a super large generation of people, but they had the long game out.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, no, of course, popularly, I mean, you can't predict or control that, but in terms of like power, no, they had a long game, that I'm confident.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'd say it would count.

Speaker 1:

Yep, I know these are a little, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2:

But the craziest thing right now that I find I find crazy and ridiculous is that we have all of these people in power who want to start bringing about traditional family and traditional gender roles and things of this nature, but they don't allow, they don't change the tax law or anything of that sort that makes it so that it is possible for most families to live on a single income. And then when we try to create bills to help out families so that more people could have more children, they say no, like parental leave bills. Why don't we have universal parental leave that is paid in this country, at least for the person who gave birth? I think both parents need it. But, come on, you need longer than six weeks of unpaid leave after giving birth. It sucks giving birth. It's hard. You need to heal from that stuff. And then also there's, you know, breastfeeding and all that other fun stuff that goes along with it, but still you just need to heal.

Speaker 2:

You either had major surgery or a major medical procedure birth is not some sort of zenya moment where you're like and it just comes out of you oh, that's what the media wants us to believe, especially cartoons yeah, no, no no no, it is gross not even as gross as hard and it's painful and you have and you're bleeding and you've got and it's just it's, and having six weeks of unpaid leave and if you are, if you're a struggling lower class family in this country, most women go back to work after two weeks that's torture you're still bleeding at that point that's abuse, that's torture.

Speaker 2:

You're still bleeding, you're still wearing. You're still basically wearing grandma diapers back to work at walmart, back to work at mcdonald's, chipotle, wherever, because they can't afford to not take that time off.

Speaker 1:

It's good I mean, I'm for it, I'm for it. You no need to convince me, I'm for it. Yep, this is holistic approach and it covers, you know, I think, a lot of laws just so obsolete. To your point, someone's like what back as the 70s, 80s, all that? No, we, 21st century, the culture and the way things work are so radically different. Yeah, we need to revamp a whole bunch of laws.

Speaker 2:

Getting rid of abortion is part of some radical conservatives' way of trying to get women back home. Radical conservatives way of trying to get women back home. They're trying to go back to this ultra conservative women not being able to file for for divorcees. If you get on like the, you get on like deep into this shit. They're like oh, women don't need the right to vote, women don't need the ability to own property. They they want to take away all their rights.

Speaker 1:

I mean, I've seen some examples of that. I'm definitely against that. Everyone has unique situations and I want to point back to history that there were successful women who ran big companies even back then. Like, I want to give this toy, especially if you was a girl. You're, you'll know her starts with a, b, just can, okay, barbie, very successful. This business will have such tenacity, such intelligence, such strength could be in a male dominated environment, very male dominated by. And she made it. You know and look, and it was even another example when a woman took over the slinky company company.

Speaker 1:

I made slinkies okay, because the husband became I don't know religious nut. It's like, oh, you're on your own, I gotta go marry someone in south america. God told me so Goodbye. She figured, yeah, I'm not making this up. She figured how to raise six kids, run a major business. And the guy, he was better as an inventor, her ex-husband, he sucked at business, she studied business, she grasped it and she made it to a very profitable company while raising six kids. So I wish more stories to be told like this. I'm not against women owning anything, because that's just like a male ego trip. Everyone has a different story and some women can run a fabulous business. This is not me being like a pro-feminist.

Speaker 2:

I just think we just need I mean feminists. Feminism has gotten such a bad rap. It's just gotten this bad name where, at the baseline, feminism just means equality. You want to be allowed to have the same choices, the same rights as men have always had in this country. My grandmother couldn't own a credit card. Thank God I can if I wanted to, but the government needs to. Why do you think the E era has never been passed? There are people who don't want true equal rights for men and women and those people who are like oh so you think that you could bench press 400 pounds? No, I don't think I could ever bench press 400 pounds, but I want to have the right to go in the gym and learn how to bench press whatever is appropriate for my size and body weight, but I'll never reach 400 pounds. My body's not made to do that, but I should be allowed to go to the gym, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I mean it should be an option.

Speaker 2:

Oh, you'll never be able to pee standing up, no, but hey, there's a tool that I could use if I really wanted to.

Speaker 1:

I did not attend the conversation to go there, but I do get the point.

Speaker 2:

It's called the Go Girl. You ever Google that. It's basically this thing that you put in for for women when they're going like camping and stuff, so that they don't get e all over themselves oh, we can handle a graph of this, because this is an adult podcast after all, but I think we just, we just live in this world right now where everything is is all mixed up together.

Speaker 2:

They you've got people going forwards and backwards. There are people who are trying to live in La La Land and send their families back into the 1800s, and then there are people who it's just everything's crazy, it's hard to afford gas, and I don't think this election is going to change my life, but I'm just. I'm just tired of the stupidity and I hope that when, hopefully, trump loses, he's done in politics I hope.

Speaker 1:

I mean I. I mean to use your point on something interesting. I mean I think, I think he's slowly losing. I mean he's been losing his edge. I mean even his spirit seems like it's dying down, dying down, dying down. It took a while. It took a while because he's crazy, but I see it. I mean he didn't want another debate, so that's a win for Kamala. Let's be clear.

Speaker 1:

And a lot of people say it was Trump that held back, that rejected another debate. And you see, this is why I didn't like this whole change of it, because now, as we two camps agreeing to debate, it's just chaotic. Look at this chaos that it caused. I was against it from day one and I think I agree with what's this liberal lady's name Breaking Points? Crystal Ball.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I was with her entirely on that issue. I disagree with her on some things, but this one I was on her side. I said no, I don't want these two idiot parties, these two forces of chaos controlling things. No, they just spread chaos. And look what happened we got less presidential debate. But to some of you, y'all don't care. Some of you like it the way it is, and I get that. I disagree with you but um, yeah, I mean um Kamala got a W on that one. On that last debate and even though the vice presidential debate based on what I gathered I didn't watch it and I'm not going to Based on what I've seen it looked like JD Vance has barely got a 1 on that one.

Speaker 2:

Personal opinion, not really the fact that he literally said I thought there weren't going to be any fact checkers here. I thought there would be no fact checkers when someone's like you know that's not true, right.

Speaker 1:

We need fact checking. What the hell? We need fact-checking what?

Speaker 2:

the hell. Yeah, no, jd Vance just likes to make shit up. They're eating the cats and dogs. They're eating the cats and dogs.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's not as oh no, I you know. This is based on what I gathered, so I got a very weak opinion on the vice presidential debate. Nor do I care, and Karl Rove even said it. I said yeah, jd, jamie Vance might have done better, but who cares? Nobody cares about a vice presidential debate. This is coming from a Republican strategist. Nobody cares about that crap. It comes from Karl Rove.

Speaker 2:

Vice presidential debates are stupid and we don't really need them because, honestly, they're a placeholder. Anybody who says that Kamala Harris failed as a vice president doesn't know what a vice president does. They do nothing. That is their job. Their job is to be a placeholder and to sit there and look pretty and to vote in the Senate, which she's had to do that more than most.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Vice president. I mean you're just a manager and a supporter for the president but you don't.

Speaker 2:

She did a great job as vice president by doing nothing. That's the that's their job.

Speaker 1:

That's what they get paid for and then next in line, just a case the you know the president gets incapacitated, killed, that's their. You know, they're the backup. Yeah, they're a backup On the next line, just in case the president gets incapacitated, killed, that's there, they're the backup.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're a backup. Yes, we need a backup. We've needed a backup.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

What? Six, eight times something like that, Mm-hmm, but they don't have a job. But they don't have a job. It's like the John Adams and something along the lines of vice president is the most mind numbing job in the world.

Speaker 1:

I think that's why Tim Walz is a good pick. He looked chilled. He didn't have to do much, even though I think his debate skills is a bit but, anyway, it's so inconsequential. So I was like, eh, whatever, I'm just going to disregard that entirely. You heard it from your host. I don't care. Just real quick, what's your prediction on the senate and the house? Which part do you think is going to take what and, if you're daring, by how many seats I can?

Speaker 2:

dream. I could dream that the Democrats will take the Senate, but they're not. This year, maybe in two, but not this year. Probably one to two seats, not that much Republican lead.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that's what I'm saying. That's a two.

Speaker 2:

I could dream's what I'm saying. I could dream, I have a dream.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's okay, you have the right to dream. You're one more Democrat, I do. At least she owns it. No, no, no, she owns it, I'm fine with it. Besides, I need more left-leaning Democrats in this podcast and I've been more vying towards them because I see that it was scary. Towards the right, I said no, no, no, no, no, no. I want balance. Damn it, I want balance.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I'm not the leftist most lefty left lefter of left in the world, but I definitely. I want more Democrats in the House and the Senate. I want more young people. I would just love a bunch of 30, 40, and 30 and 40-year-olds running for office. I would love age limits. I'd love upper age limits.

Speaker 1:

A lot of people would support that, especially what happened with this electorate. How many seats do you think the I mean in terms of the House, which part do you think is going to take over it?

Speaker 2:

Democrats might get the House. Democrats might get the House, but maybe, maybe about four to five votes. It really depends on a couple of swing states, but there's a bunch of people who are going. There are a bunch of people it depends on. It also depends on what crazy shit Trump does in November Late October, early November.

Speaker 1:

Ah yeah, so embrace more October surprises. This is just the beginning.

Speaker 2:

October surprises. I love October surprises.

Speaker 1:

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