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Politically High-Tech
278- America's Forgotten Heroes: The Trade Workers Building Our Future With Jeremiah Jancik
The skilled trades that build and maintain our technological infrastructure are criminally undervalued in our society despite being essential to modern life and our clean energy future.
• Jeremiah Jancik shares his extensive experience in electrical work, solar panel installation, HVAC, and energy efficiency auditing
• Trade careers offer excellent pay, job security, and the satisfaction of tangible, meaningful work
• Energy efficiency audits reveal how homes can be improved through better insulation, efficient HVAC, and identifying air leaks
• Heat pump technology represents the future of home heating and cooling, requiring skilled tradespeople to install
• Community colleges offer affordable, practical education paths to well-paying careers in the trades
• The shortage of skilled tradespeople is slowing America's transition to cleaner energy systems
• Government policies like the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 have created opportunities in clean energy installation
• Working in the trades provides immediate visible results and the satisfaction of improving people's homes
Trade schools deserve equal recognition alongside college education as valuable career paths. Check out Jeremiah's book "After Oil 2047" and visit his website at jeremiahjancik.com to learn more about his work in energy efficiency.
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Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, elias. I'm going to talk about something that I just think. Actually, let me reframe that I need to talk about a very urgent topic that it's been criminally under-discussed. I say criminally because this is like talking about a heart without knowing the veins. I mean, how else the heart would work? We got a heart with no veins. It's just a filthy organ that's going to rot. It's not going to work. That's energy and wiring to all this modern marvel that we take for granted. Without that and the sales towers and Wi-Fi towers, without any of that, we won't be able to enjoy this. So we have to appreciate the blue collar people and the hands-on tech whizzes who made this possible.
Speaker 1:I don't think they get enough credit and it's criminal. We always glorify the actors, the social media stars or anything that's in front of our face. Right, because we see them, but the unsung heroes and sheroes? They don't get talked about. The ones who actually put the darn thing together. Without their genius, intellect and their competence, podcasts would never happen. Podcasts would never happen. Internet would never happen. All these things would never happen. Even going a step further, electricity would not happen. Okay, we'd be sticking to what? Gas lamps and all that pre-electrical stuff. Okay, so thank them. I know we don't start a monologue with a thank you, but, yeah, I think the people who are the energy wizards without them forget, we'll go back to the technological dark ages. Yeah, use candles, what's for tv, I don't know. Use your darn imagination very exhausting, very exhausting. Use your imagination, act, do something right. Oh, yeah, we gotta thank them more often. You know we'll, and it's me, it's just criminal. So I'm not going to make my monologue too freaking long because I want to get straight into it. I have a guest here who has great experience in that and he goes beyond that, by the way, but that's just one of his experiences.
Speaker 1:And we got to talk about the importance of the trade, jobs, energy, you know, hands-on, manual work that I think has been condemned, maybe because there's too much of a strong word. They've been taken for granted. They've been taken for granted that I can say Taken for granted, that's the more precise word I'm looking for. Condemned is too dramatic, it's over the top. They're not condemned and we got to appreciate what we have. Can we take these things for granted Because we just do click, click, click, click, click, do everything very quickly, you don't take a little time to appreciate. So let's welcome Jeremiah Janser. Ok, he's going to give us he's going to give us a lot more into it. And before I shut myself up, so what do you so, jeremiah? What do you want the listeners and the viewers to know about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I've been working in the trades ever since I was a kid. My father was a contractor. It's something that I enjoy and I've done it in different capacities been an electrician, worked in insulation, work on HVAC, have a wide variety of experiences and I enjoy it. I think there's something really interesting and special about helping people in their home as well. That's what I work on. A lot is residential homes and you know it's their biggest investment. A lot of them don't know what's going on. You know in their system and you know I get to help people there, so I have a lot of pride in it in that way. You know, now I do more tech. You know I'm more kind of looking at these programs from a higher level, which is interesting as well, but being a contractor for years was a lot of fun and I recommend it.
Speaker 1:Well, that's a very short introduction. I think I'll start doing a competition for short introductions. That's been the trend of this podcast lately Too humble, and I mean that's really up to you. Really, I'm used to, I'm conditioned to put up, not put up. I'm conditioned to listen to at minimum five, 10 minute introductions. I've been more efficient. I'm not against it. Frankly, I'm just not used to it. We're going to talk about the importance of these changes.
Speaker 2:That was one thing that I was trying to talk about. That was just the one big idea. I've had a lot of really interesting experience over the years, just in general. I've installed solar. Lot of really interesting experience over the years, just in general. I've installed solar panels in New Jersey, which was you know I was what 31, 32 in 2010. So you know, it was an interesting experience. Like those are programs that were brought on, you know, from the administration decisions and policies. So that was in New Jersey.
Speaker 2:I was installing solar panels pretty quickly. I taught installation classes in like prisons and also for unemployment groups and just contractors, anyone that wanted to learn. So that was really a good part of my experience. And then from there, more different types of consulting. I got into energy efficiency, which you hear a lot about energy efficient homes below homes, electrification you know that's a thing that I personally worked on. I decided to go back to college pretty recently and get an electrical license, which was pretty hard. But you know those options and opportunities are available that are still a good education, but not a university right.
Speaker 1:Right, and you know this is the thing, right, I'm pretty sure the demand of what you're, especially with your expertise and all that, it's still pretty darn high because especially I can still I can speak for several states especially they're trying to be more environmentally friendly. It's those solar panels. I mean, that's such a big, that's a big deal. So again, people who like to just take things for granted and just be stuck on the smartphone world, which is smartphone's the biggest drug yes, I would say that that's bigger to even crack all these deadly drugs. It's the biggest drug because most people got access to it. Even minors have access to it and it's legal. Sometimes I say the legal stuff is even worse because it's not condemned, it's not blocked by law. Well, not even blocked, I mean criminals will bypass it, don't get me wrong. But people at least get an idea that it's bad, but without their technical marvel.
Speaker 1:Look, we talk about solar panels in government. Say, for New York State, they're giving incentives for having a solar panel. They're going to give you some incentives for that. They need people like him to do that work. Or you, the youngster, you go pick up and learn these skills and make a pretty dang good buck right there. Oh look, they're great paying jobs, are they? A lot of work. You got to get your hands dirty yeah, I'm not going to dance around that. But hey, you can get yourself a nice high quality soap with that great paycheck and clean yourself up okay. Or, or, you know, get better products and clean yourself up really well after the hard and dirty work. But hey, it's. This is just something that most americans don't appreciate. I could say that very confidently, and this is something that I think we need to talk about more. More trade school Cause everything is everything. Especially when I was a teenager kid, everybody was college, college, college college. Not enough talk about trade school. Trade school was like, oh, you want to be just a guy that's good with hands.
Speaker 2:I mean I was. I went, I went to college and then got out and you know the idea was go sell something and I first started selling insurance and I was like, well, I hate this. You know what I mean. This isn't fun or interesting or good for anybody. And my job now like energy engineer really wasn't a thing. And you know when I graduated in 2001,. You know, but then over the years, you know, I taught high school for a little while and said that's okay and then. But once I really found, you know, realized I liked getting out and you know building things and fixing things and you know creating, just making things. You know there's a lot of value in that and you go home at the end of the day and you're not necessarily as worried about your job. Right, you get paid. If you always get paid, you know what I mean you can go and have another life doing other things and you can be creative because you always have a job Not always, but just with trades in general, like right now, if you want to work in electrical or HVAC, I mean there's all kinds of opportunities and something that I can definitely recommend. Like I said, I took an electrical license. I took classes. It was in California, it was 10 classes, it was Algebra, but it was also construction management. You classes, it was algebra, but it was also construction management. You know what I mean. It was really useful. And then I taught for a little while and have worked with energy efficiency experience.
Speaker 2:So you go out and you'll talk about it, just real briefly, just the process with energy on it in somebody's home. So we'll go out and we evaluate the house for HVAC, for insulation, whether or not they can have renewables, that sort of thing. Run some tests. We're running a blower door test which is one which kind of lets the air. What it does is it depressurizes your house and lets air flow in. When that air is flowing in, there's a computer that does an analysis and says how much that air is. What's the difference? How leaky your house is. And then you can also find the leaks, because the air is flowing in from around the window and you can just kind of feel houses. And then you can also find the leads, because the air is flowing in from like around the window and you can just kind of feel it. It's pretty, it's pretty interesting, and some of these houses, if they're newer houses are pretty tight, anything before 2000,. I mean there's a good possibility that you know you want to go around and pretty easy fix. So that's the thing that I would get to do daily in the energy efficiency auditor world Go and talk to a homeowner, all right.
Speaker 2:Well, you know what's the problem with your house, sir. Is it too hot over here, is it too cold over there? Then we go out, we run the tests. There's another test we do which is looking for carbon monoxide. You know there's been. People are always asking me about gas stoves. Do you have an opinion about gas stoves?
Speaker 1:Look, I mean, without that insulation right of central air and all that heavy air flowing in your house, I mean it's a quality of life improvement. Right, that's right. Those got, you know, dust and all that. I mean, without that you'll be the mercy of the window, maybe a chimney, and they're sometimes not reliable. You know they're not reliable, so you want more like a, you know. That's why I say again, their skills, their skills, expertise and their skill. It Again, their skills, their skills, expertise and their skill. It matters. It matters a whole lot, and this is something that you know I don't hear a lot of people talk about Even forget the politicians.
Speaker 1:They talk about crazy, they talk about stuff that is derogating themselves. I can't expect anything out of them unless we pressure them to do anything about it. Just be a little political about it. However, you know, we we including me, there's even sometimes I used to fall for a trap, so sure I was too angry.
Speaker 1:We need to value a lot of roles of society, like farmers, too is another one I think gets taken for granted. I mean, how is it going to have food coming in, right, growing fruit and all that Many farmers? So everyone, everyone, that's not. You know these jobs are not glamorous, but it doesn't give a free pass to say, oh, those people will lose a year, right, you know how much brains and skill takes to install these. You know solar panels, central air systems, all of that, anything that requires some electrical wiring setup. They need to know the length. There's a lot of mathematics involved here too. Okay, I ain't the biggest, I'm not the smartest person with math, like, except it comes to counting my money, that's a whole nother story. I'm sharp on that one, but uh, when it comes to, like, all these gigawatts and all of this other stuff, my brains just go to mush. And all that and what the so here I want to.
Speaker 2:I want to address that a little bit right so you can go to the colleges definitely for electrical work, you know, and they will teach you that math Most of the electrical classes. So first of all there's a couple of things to worry about. What you're talking about is big electrical engineer utility stuff and we don't. That's not really on a home you have to worry too much. Usually it's like 200 amps in, 200 amps out. What you have to do is you have to do a certain amount of algebra. But other than that it's not, it is math. It is important.
Speaker 2:But some stuff you work in plumbing. There is some math there, but that's a little more. I think plumbing is interesting. Actually it's mostly just gravity that works on a lot of the plumbing stuff, so there's kind of more of an art to it. I've seen some really interesting plumbing work, um, you know like doing, because my job is doing energy audits for so long I've seen thousands of houses, tens of ten thousand I think I counted and seen all these different types of work. So it's kind of been kind of fun walking around people to a certain extent. You know what I mean. It's kind of checking it out. You know, keep, keep it to yourself, but it's but yeah. So I was going to say with electrical you can learn it. Take a college course. You know the energy audit stuff that I do where we're running those tests. It does a certain amount of math, you know it's high school level. It's not a ton, you know.
Speaker 1:All right. So I spread a little fear among the math phobic people. So, yeah, so he's debunking that says this is where I was gonna have a guess. It was just me alone took my electricity, I was scared a lot of you and it'll be antithesis of the goal to get more people to trade school. So you know, you know, you may. This is what I call unintentional hypocrisy, because I'm not connected to, so I'm corrected now. You see, I'm trying to be self-cognizant of it, but you, but I like to have fun with myself. If it was just me alone, I'll be scaring y'all away because, oh my God, I need a lot of math and all that People who hate math is like I'm good, I don't want to deal with that. No, thank you, no, thank you, no, thank you. But it's a good thing for that.
Speaker 2:I do some interesting. I do like now with some different higher level consulting that we do. We do like if people might be into that too, which is fine, like if you do want to do a tech career, and it's not necessarily infrastructure or something like that. We do data analysis stuff where it's intense. Okay, what if we put in a thousand higher efficiency air conditioners in this utility, how much energy is being saved over that thousand houses? And now the utility says, okay, this is how much we saved. If we have to make some sort of an investment, something like that, they can then do that analysis.
Speaker 2:And that's what I do now more. And it's been interesting and I'm glad and I'm useful at work, frankly, because I have the different levels of experience. So I'd be like, oh, I'd actually I put those HVAC units in, you know, because now we're dealing with people that are doing more higher level consulting. And there's, you know, as far as energy consulting, there's work with maybe 10 or 15 different firms. It's not a huge field but it's pretty interesting and there's space and some really cool big stuff. But that's that big math, that's. There's an electrical engineer somewhere, that'll do it.
Speaker 1:No, if it's nasa, I think my math, my math on fear mongering will be super effective. Because you read that one. You need astronomy, need huge math, and you know, ironically, that's the reason why I got turned off by astronomy because of the huge math. So I'm exposed by something right there. And when I saw their math for astronomy, my head just exploded. I said I quit the class, I dropped that glass. I said look, I had to be realistic myself. I said, look, if it's math related to real life, like money, I'll alert it. But if it's measuring distances between planets, I don't give a rat's about how I'm going to be Earth for most of my life. I mean, what do I care? And then, of course, I'm bringing another element the carelessness isn't relevant to my life to the astronomy man. 99.9% of the time it's a resounding no yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think that's what makes the trades interesting is that you're constantly helping someone in their life every day. You know what I mean it's like and I get that. You know the last five or six years well, maybe more than five, six, 20 years with tech, everyone's like we're going to save lives and we're going to do this and we're going to do that, and I think there's a certain amount of it you know, like just the ability with, if we talk about like a higher level, you know tech science. You know we're able to give information back and forth so quickly. Now that you know all we're able to scientifically, mathematically, you know, advance very quickly because of the. You know what I mean. So I know everyone's like to be a downfall everybody, and that might be true. I uh, really, you know I use it to my advantage all the time, you know let's talk about data, because data is very important.
Speaker 1:I mean, how else are you going to have measurement of metrics? Can it be math heavy? Yeah, it can be. I mean it depends on what kind of data. It's like a basic. I don't know if it's a basic data that most people use, like percentages and things like that. It's not that math heavy.
Speaker 1:I mean we got calculators that will baby you along the way. If you're so sure you know if, using an excel, just make sure you put the right formula in there. Okay, just just know what kind of formula you need. Do you need a percentage formula or do you need a? Do you need someone's gonna do an ad to track or even do a multiplication? Right, just put the right formula in there. And advanced formula you gotta do more typing and all that. I mean those are more math heavy. I mean, can you be? Yes, but a lot of times they just want to know, like percentages or how many people did what. I mean that's simple stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean you know, but data analysis is very important because I mean, how else are we going to make better decisions for the collective right? I mean data analysis is that part? It could be. You know electrical engineering. Maybe it could be. You know electrical engineering. Maybe it could influence decision making, make um, the machine more I don't know energy efficient, or make it more compact, take less space. I think some models are smaller and smaller and yet more powerful. Right, and I think data is very important.
Speaker 1:I'm a data person, ironically, and I actually like data as well, that you know, even though I'm not, as you know, hands-on. But I actually like data, especially if it's clear data. If it's messy, large data, it freaks me out a little bit, but once I'm calm and alone with it, I'll make sense of it. That's why data scientists is a big thing. But I'm not pushing data scientists. We try to push the electrical engineers, the solar panel engineers, all the hands-on engineers that I think a lot of people take for granted.
Speaker 1:But I think it's good that a trend that more young people are getting into this, because some people see college as a debt trap, a waste of time or even a scam. It's not me saying it Me. I just say it depends what major career you're going for. That's how I see it with college, because college is viable for some job careers. But, like I said, but if you're going to do something that you know you kind of don't like or the job market is not friendly towards. Of course it's going to be a big waste of time. That's what I say to some extent. But when it comes to trade school and all that, that's the alternative. At the time when I was in high school, it wasn't advertised, especially those who hated academic settings. There's lots of people that hate academic settings, but they're more hands-on.
Speaker 2:The classroom is not for everybody. Sitting in a classroom and listening to this is not for everybody. I have to teach some classes now. Well, I mean, I don't have to. I do, but just because we need to learn things, and they could be some of the smartest people in the world, but they can sit for a 40-hour week and listen. I mean it's just hard and that's. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, that was part of what I realized when I first started even installing solar panels, and I was already 30,. You know, this is fun. I'm on a roof carrying stuff. Feel like I'm in shape. You know, I'm building things like oh, I built that. When it's done Like there's a, there's a, that's a very, you know people talk about, you know, hits or likes or whatever.
Speaker 2:Like, like, that's that like kind of sparks that same feeling. I think so, especially when it's a little bit challenging, especially when it's like in an attic or in a crawl space, that's not all that fun. Or if it's just, you know, making it something more of a challenge when it's at the other end can be so much more fulfilling.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean to me, I just we got to go where the person's interests is right, help them build it up even further, and where their skills lie. And I and I always say this, I've been saying this for a while now I think the solution has to be personable, compatible to the person. Not everyone wants to be a teacher, not everyone wants to be uh, of course not everyone wants to be a freaking astronaut. Not everyone wants to be a lawyer. Not everyone wants to do it. But they want to do different things. Some might want to be an actor, some might want to do those things that I've just said previously. But you know, I just think the reason I'm talking about this because I just think this needs to be brought to attention I think certain people are bringing that up that you know we need more people to do these kind of works. I think that that's why there is a lot. I'm not sure there's still shortages in these sectors. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2:You can find shortages. Definitely, I think, with HVAC specifically. If that were me and I was figuring out what I was going to do when I was 19, right now, I'd probably take a year off. If I was a rich person, I would take a year off, but you know what I mean. Then you can try and just find a job at 19 or 20 and work with contractors, any trade. You know what I mean. There's jobs, you know, and you're making money right away.
Speaker 2:And then make a decision on which one you want to focus on. You know, energy efficiency makes sense for me because I enjoy it and it has a lot of different disciplines kind of working together. It's part of what I do with a residential energy audit is I go into a house and I say, okay, you know, hvac guy was here and he did this. The installation guy was over here and did this. You know what I mean. What did they do? How do they interact, you know? And then I also look at the electrical panel and I say, okay, you know, how does this? So Just, I, I just that's what it is.
Speaker 2:You gotta like certain things. You just gotta go out there and see for yourself. You can't learn in school anyway. So what you do is you just start and you know wiring houses or you know wiring commercial buildings, like I said, I mean I took those classes, I took um. It was a Cuesta community college in California. You know it was a um. Most of it was you know over the internet because it was during COVID 10 classes. It was commercial management or, I'm sorry, construction management, which was really useful. It was algebra, you know, and algebra is algebra, just takes some practice but it's not that hard, you know, you just got to put the time in. And then it was like residential wiring, motors, like all this cool stuff, where I have all these physical books that now I didn't memorize any of it, but I know where to look. You know when I need that information.
Speaker 2:Residential wiring is obviously a big part of it, but as we move forward, as we're electrifying more things, you know, as heat pumps become more popular, we're gonna need more. We could use more and more electricians and I think, um, the lack of them is slowing it down now and like those, those linemen, like they did. Well, you know what I mean. You know you can. You can get close depending on where you are. You know 70, 80.
Speaker 2:You know a good living, yeah, and you know a good living and a job for a long time, like that's when I first started doing this with the energy efficiency, I was like, well, I see there's gonna be, like I can see what's happening. Let's get ahead of it. You know what I mean. Let's try and like put ourselves in a position where we're going to be successful for a long time, and you know trades can do that as well. You know we don't know what's going to happen with. I mean, like, how many jobs did the internet, you know, get rid of? You know, you know there's no more travel agent, but we need more electrical lines, just like I mean, you know, and this is a bigger scale I mean we need bridges fixed, you know what I mean Like we need to be spending money on the infrastructure in that way not just on military, but that's a different conversation.
Speaker 1:But go ahead. You bring up a very good point. Yeah, because we don't. If we can't keep up with this demand, because the demand is going up, it's going up exponentially, okay, there's just no denying it. I mean, you want to deny it? Become an Amish person, become a cave person? Okay, you don't need it. Those are the two people I can think of. Cave people, amish people, right off the spot. Go live the Amish life. I don't think they will accept you either, because you're taking their culture. But I don't, you deal with that. But on a serious note, we need more of these specialties because without that, look, I think progress has already been slowing down. The demand is high. Look, you have less competition and more money. I mean, come on, come on, people, they need you. It's not you know, they need you. Come on, you know. And I try, hands on, I try to do that. I mean, I almost shocked myself multiple times. Oh, no, it's not for what like?
Speaker 2:what have you tried to do like? What do you what? What were you successful at?
Speaker 1:hey, I'm just successful at well, obviously, talking fucking crap. Um no, but besides that I've not I'm.
Speaker 2:I am genuinely curious because like, like, what would have been better. Do you think it was just you learned at a young age that that's not something you ever would want to do is working the trades you just always did, like you know.
Speaker 1:You said you're in data, so I mean, my hands ain't made for trades, it's made to probably hurt people, would break stuff, but it is not made to fit to make it break. I tried. I tried hands-on stuff as a kid and, yeah, I found out I was a decent gardener, that that I did. But you know they got plenty of gardeners that. That's not the shortage we told. These are shortages that people need. I wish I could help out with that shortage. I really wish.
Speaker 1:But I mean, the only thing I was able to fix was a sharpener. Well, pencil sharpener, electric sharpener, that's the only thing. But other than that, everything else it just ends up being broken because I do too rough. I try to be mr fix it, but I'm more like wrecking ralph. I wrecked the thing. They'd be mr fix it felix. Okay, I mean, if you get that reference, you know, fix it, for there's a guy who fixes things. This was magical golden hammer. My record was a big, very large guy who just breaks things effortlessly with his overly sized arms and hands. So I was definitely more like the record round, just without the over the top um physique. Just a double breaker did to the maker which you don't need that. You don't need that. You need the ones who got the more fine motor skills to piece these things together and people who are not accident prone either. That's another thing, because that will cause a disaster.
Speaker 2:We have the same thing around my house. It's called J Smash and I will just break something sometimes, but I've gotten better over the years at being slow about not breaking things. I'm in Philadelphia now and have been working on my house and that's been. Oh yeah, that's right, I got to do all this work, so that's what I was doing this morning.
Speaker 2:I think that a lot of people sometimes are just given, you know, they think that it's not for them, and part of that when I was growing up was definitely that the idea is that you have to go to college.
Speaker 2:Like that's just what it was, and that was kind of unfortunate, I think I think it um, I don't know Like I think the good thing about college is it kind of learns you, teaches you how to learn. So I think I definitely you know, use that skill in the world, you know, and also how to approach things, how to like scientifically. You know, okay, we have a problem, how do we fix it, the steps involved, stuff like that. I write reports now sometimes. I definitely use going to college and you can also do it at a smaller school or you don't have to go to tech school or anything like that, but it wasn't, as my father's a contractor, like I said, so it wasn't as frowned upon in my house. Because my father's a contractor, like I said, so it wasn't as frowned upon in my house, so that's made me kind of go into it.
Speaker 1:I mean Craig, if I'm wrong, I'm going out of a limb here. Obviously, I met someone who was raised in the olden days. I think it was more valued, I think, back then. I think those kind of hands-on jobs, I'm sure definitely the Industrial Revolution was like. Well, industrial revolution I'm saying here, I'm sure you know, I would say the 40s, 50s and 60s, that was more, you know, I think, respected prestige, as opposed to now that says you're doing that or I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:You know, sadly it's the 21st century has been frowned upon, which I think it's very foolish because without, without, without, we will go back to the Stone Age and most of us cannot imagine a life without these inventions. I can. There was a time I lived without technology. It was tough, but they told me how to use this more often, this organic imagination, computer, what you guys call your brain, something that we're not using as much. Studies have proven that because we just outsource our brain to the smartphone, to the laptop, and that made us more mentally lazy. If I'm going to use a nicer word, I could use the word stupid. You know it would be too harsh, but it makes us more mentally lazy and I think it ages our brains even faster. I think there's even some studies now popping up with that. Just rely on these things, because the brain is not being exercised. The brain is like a muscle it needs to be exercised and if you don't use it it's definitely going to. This is a case that if you don't use it you're going to lose it, you know. So this is not just something that I'm not trying to fearmonger here, and maybe, except for the math part, yeah, you could say I'm fearmongering there. You could say that I'll take it, I'll take that.
Speaker 1:But you know this is a shortage here. You know I talked about shortage of health care before. That's another one. That that's another critical shortage that needs to be addressed and I say that's important as well. But at least there is some societal, institutional attention to it. But I don't see it as much as what comes to these trades. That's my biggest criticism. I say they're just as essential as the healthcare workers. I mean, they're not dealing with human bodies and all that, but they're dealing with the infrastructure that can keep up with the modern demand to make know, to make us progress.
Speaker 1:And if you care about environment, you need to take care of this as well. This is a more renewable energy. You know it's coming from the sun, all right, you don't have to rely on. This is probably an old boomer example nuclear power, as much right. Fossil fuels well, even more fossil fuels. A more classic example and coal. You know the more dirty energies, if you will, there are not as environmentally friendly. So you know you gotta make it make sense.
Speaker 1:Environmentalists push these jobs to be filled too, so people could could use cleaner, more environmentally friendly energy. You know, don't, like I said, I pie a little further to the left when it comes to environmental issues. You talk to me as a teenager. You thought I was a far right person, I didn't care about the environment. And you'll be right, I don't care, leave me alone, I don't care, let the world burn as long as I'm okay, which makes sense. We live here. I think we should take better care of it. So you got to make these connections. It's not always as obvious as you think, but once you make the connections, push for that and push for these trades to be filled up as well. I'm sure certain states are doing it, but I don't see that much in my state of New York.
Speaker 2:New York has a system with NYSERDA. I don't know what it's solar New York, something, something, and I work on a lot of projects with them. Actually they're doing one of them was a multifamily, and how do we electrify was like the base of it. Okay, how do we get natural gas out of these homes, out of these multifamily buildings in Brooklyn or whatever, and you know, change those to electric? Really important study, really interesting. They're actually doing a lot of stuff. You know we're in a lot of this.
Speaker 2:We're kind of at the beginning with the plan to get rid of oil, just in general, and new york's definitely a place that's leading large. A lot of the east coast stuff is, you know, california is too. But you know, new york, massachusetts, rhode island, new jersey, pennsylvania, all for, like you know, kind of different reasons, which is kind of interesting. But it's important to like you can pay attention to those, your local legislation. So, for example, you know, with new york you might get a discount for putting in solar panels or um, you know you get that a lot of the time anyway. But if you're new construction, they need to figure out different ways to, you know, um, incentivize higher efficiency stuff.
Speaker 2:So if we want to talk about the environment. You know what I mean. You need to be voting for people that care about others just in general. You know what I mean. You need to be voting for people that care about others just in general. You know what I mean. Like, are they the type of person that is just going to look out for themselves and is that really actually good for me? Or in a civil servant? It is not. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:You know, and I work with so many people that are really interested in others and helping others and want an interesting and fulfilling way to live their lives. That isn't and yeah, some of it's government work. You know what I mean. We don't have to act like it's the devil. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's people going out there who are smart and write good reports and can do big stuff Instead of focusing their time and energy in a finance firm or as a takeover person doing talking about consulting and energy efficiency stuff. You know the way that you can. If you're worried about the environment, the way that you can make your biggest impact is what you do the most hours at, and the most hours you do is your job, probably. You know what I mean, so you might as well, and we all have our part.
Speaker 2:You know, my part is kind of as far as energy efficiency in the work that I do now, not as a contractor, but like as a higher level kind of tech person. I like write a lot of reports and I like have a lot of insight into what it was like being a contractor. It's really important, interesting. I'm really proud of it, really proud of the work I do. But, um, but also I wouldn't be here if I wasn't out there sometimes wiring houses or putting in insulation, stuff like that, which is it can be a really good job.
Speaker 1:I think there is more government incentives when it comes to these things. I just mentioned New York. That's the only one I've been studying. I'm sure other states are doing it as well. You already said California. You said Hawaii, new Jersey I should have mentioned that one, because sometimes New Jersey information comes right here. That's how close we are. We're next door, it's next door neighbor.
Speaker 1:I think we just need more push on. It's good we have it, but I just think it needs to be more, because demand is not slowing down, at least not when it comes to energy, and we rely more on the digital modern technology more than ever. So if it's slowed down, then fine, I won't push it as hard. But you know there are connections here. There are connections here like to the, the environment, and that's why I just push as example. You know people look, if you care about environment, push these things there, they connect. And if you care about good wages, try trade school. You don't need as much academic credentials, but you do need hands-on experience. You like hands-on stuff, you like doing things, and this, this is the path for you right here. Really, this is on the path for you right here, by me. I gave it a shot as a kid not as great, but you'll be more fortunate than me.
Speaker 1:Everybody's made differently. Everybody's made differently. I'm I'm the example that you just sort of laugh at, just for fun, and just hope you don't become me. Just to be brutally honest, when it comes to this trade, when it comes to the trade job on context, which I'm fine, I'm fine with, I know my, I know my worth, proactive when it comes to many things, seeing things before it even happened, those are, those are my traits. Um, so people think I'm a little too paranoid at times because I was like, well, you should do that, and by the time the problem comes, oh Elias, you was right, you was right. Just, I'd rather be paranoid and overdue than underdue, because once the thing's not going to happen, it's okay, we just take these things back. Now, if you're not prepared, we're scrambling, we're going crazy.
Speaker 1:So I, I got different, I got different strengths. I'm pretty good with a. I'm actually good with a computer. I'm you know. I'm also good at, yeah, solving problems that don't require me doing a lot of hands-on work. I can give strategies and things like that. I mean, I could be a support when it comes to physical things and being assistant at best, but I'm not going to be the main person, because installation, no, that's not for sure. I could be a support person, I help carry things and all that. I can do that but uh, but in terms of being the main one, the lead in charge, no, no, that's just not. That's just not me. I'm being honest with myself and you should be honest yourself too. No, if you have fixed things you know prior a new job, electrical wiring and all that go for it. No one's holding you back. Ask for scholarships if you don't have money too.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's scholarships out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Go to your local community college, see what they have Probably the best way to do it.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's true, that's true.
Speaker 2:That's what they're trying to do. We talked about the political component With the know. The political component, you know, with the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, with Biden, he had those systems in place in order to have better trade training, because we need it, and also making sure that they got paid a reasonable salary, which is also what we need. All these people that we need. We can't act like they don't matter and that they don't deserve to live.
Speaker 2:Sometimes, as a contractor, you're going to people's houses and you'll say, well, this is the cost, and they'll feel like they're getting ripped off or something, and it's just like, well, that's what it costs. You know what I mean. And we pay people health insurance. We pay people, well, you know. You also got to watch, like how, if you own a home, how you're interacting with contractors that come in and do stuff in your home. You know what I mean. So it's not just ripping somebody off, and if you're worried that somebody's just ripping you off, then you should probably go somewhere else. You know what I mean and that's fine.
Speaker 2:You know, listen to your instincts, but not everyone is like that. And what can be fun is if you work for yourself you're an HVAC contractor electrical you can learn that trade and you know help people that you want to and you know still make a good living and people forget with the contractor stuff like just how much insurance costs and gas costs and tools costs and material costs and labor costs. You know, and sometimes you know there'll be like I'm thinking specifically with HVAC, because you know it's unfortunate when people come out like if you're an HVAC contractor you're getting a call when something's broken a lot of the time. So you know you got to like kind of figure out how to manage that. But you know, overall, you know I think it's just important that not only are we thinking about trades as a job, want to think about how we are communicating with trade people as well and they deserve to do well and make a good living and enjoy their lives and have vacation absolutely, and I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1:This is the thing I don't want to hear and you'll do it anyways. If you put it in the comments, they'll ignore you. This is socialism, this is pro-union. I mean it can be pro-union, that's up to you. But I don't really care. I don't care about that as much. I think if the union does good back in its workers, then I support that union. But if the union is supporting the management, then there's no point in the union. That's my simple perspective of the union. But are those trades unionized?
Speaker 2:I think some of them are yeah, I think, the one that you know when you know you're getting good work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they should be.
Speaker 2:People turn around like if someone a red flag. So if you're getting work on your house and somebody's like don't want to pull a permit, well that's a problem. You want someone to pull that permit. You want an inspector come out, look at your house and make sure it's okay. I mean, is that socialism?
Speaker 1:I don't care no, the reason I say because that's what some of the idiots are going to say I mean they're wrong.
Speaker 2:They can say what they want. I mean I didn't, it's fine. You know, this is about. We should be including people we should be have, we should have a system in place to where we're making sure that our communities, people in our lives, are making a livable wage, they can have their life, and if we're not going focusing towards that as a goal, then what are we doing? If you're just trying to figure out how to pay somebody $5 an hour because you can, you should rethink that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, that's just scummy. I mean this is straight up for yeah. Yeah, that's just coming. I mean this is sure to be for debate. That's just scummy behavior.
Speaker 2:It's like don't do that man like I understand the idea, like you know, I grew up in the 80s, you know, and the reaganism of it all, which is a lot of it, is figured out how much you can get from somebody else, and that's not how I see the world or act, you know, in any way, and that's why, if I've, you know, with the trades, I mean, this is supposed to be helping the American dream, technically, if you want to think about, you know, a nice house, decent life, all of that.
Speaker 1:But that's becoming less true as time progresses, you know, because things are so darn expensive, you know, and that's all it is. This is not a left and right socialist, I mean probably capitalistic. That's all it is. This is not a left and right socialist, I mean probably capitalistic. But it's a societal issue that you know. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, the wealth inequality gap just continues to widen, widen, widen, widen, so much, and it's not slowing down anytime soon.
Speaker 1:So look, get into trade, get into decent life. If trade does that good for you, I'm a pragmatist. Whatever helps you out, great, great. You know, just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's not for you. You know you have different talents, you know, see what you're good at and you can help out with this trade shortage. And definitely plumbers too, and plumbers is, you know, plumbers is essential. Need me fix those dirty pipes? That one's a real dirty work right there, and you know, and clog the pipes and all of that. I mean, if you have a strong, if you have to stomach steel stomach right, and if you go with your hands, both go for it. There are need as well and I think the pay ranges for those have kind of that went up because the demand is high. With that, you know what demand goes high, it's not enough. Go for it. This is why this is what this is a push. This is a pro trade jobs push.
Speaker 2:Okay do you know how many plumbers, do you know how many houses there are out there right now that all need updates and upgrades? You know what I mean. Just all those different things, you know. If you're looking for something, like I said, you can be a poet on the side. You can do whatever you want, you know. But you know, like I said, I I mean I'm a, I'm a pro union person. You know myself and we work in different contracts and with people, um, you can look into whatever trade that you decide. There's the IBEW, you know, obviously, um, you know interstate brotherhood of electrical workers, um, and you can, if, if you have a way into that, definitely look into that. Philadelphia is a big union town. So you know, there's all those.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to assume stuff depending on who you're talking to, like you don't want to um, but if you do that, then do it. You know, um, but also, like, take some classes if you can. You know, try, pay for this, pay for them if you can. A lot of community colleges have pretty good deals. Uh, bpi. So say specifically I have bpi, energy efficiency, um, expertise, which is learning how to like to evaluate a residential home for energy efficiency. So I do that. I have the electrical license and I've worked on HVAC stuff for a couple of years and now I do some higher level, like I said, consulting and data analysis with utilities and state programs. Typically Some of them are income qualified, so we'll go out, I'll give you this big picture. Some of these utilities. They don't want to build a new facility, right, they don't want to build another power plant. So instead of doing that, they're offering for different people's homes, depending on where you live, you can get free installation and free higher efficiency HVAC. So we work there and sometimes we can offer a lot of that stuff at pretty low cost. Those programs, you know some of them, we don't know what's going to happen. It was part of a Biden administration thing that I think was really good and they might get ripped apart now for really no good reason, just because they can. But I mean yeah, so there's a lot of interesting stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 2:And now people are talking more about heat pumps, talk about technology. I mean, the heat pump technology has been around, you know, in and of itself, since the early 1900s. It's basically, you know, because people are interested in this. With heat pumps, you know we're using typically throughout time. When we've heated a room up, we've lit something on fire, right, we light a piece of wood, put coal, natural gas, oil, whatever, and then we're heating up the house through there. Now what that can do is it allows carbon monoxide in your home. It's expensive, we keep running out of it, it smells, you know that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:So now, if we're using electricity, typically with electrical heating, what it's been is a resistance, so what it is it's running through. You're running a bunch of amperage through a wire and it's getting resistance at a certain space and then it gives off heat and that's really inefficient and it's not a good, it's not safe. Um, you know. So now, instead of doing that, we do heat pumps, basically a pump, not through refrigerant, back and forth through an outside unit and inside unit. You either cool or heat the home and it basically just blows air over a hot coil or a cold coil. And that technology has just gotten a lot better, you know, over the last four or five years. So now you know that's something to look into as well, just like learning how that then that's HVAC, that's HVAC and electrical. It's obviously like a big part of both understanding both. And you know, over the next 30 years, you know, we're going to be putting in heat pumps everywhere, because they're just better in a lot of ways. So that's something I will look into as well.
Speaker 1:All right, you could call this an unofficial job fair for the tradespeople kind of episode. I'm fine with that because I just think it's just not being addressed. I don't always want to talk about something that's just trending and all of that, because I'm going to be just as blind as everybody else. I don't always want to talk about something that's just trending and all of that, because I could be just as blind as everybody else. It's something that I just think I'm happy that there's some push. When I thought I just I thought it was just a bit, you know more. I just think we used to do more. That's just me. But at least it's a step in the right direction. By the way, some job things I did give him credit. When it comes to some job things, I did give him credit, even though I was very critical of him with some of the social issues. But the job thing I was like, yeah, that's the step in the right direction.
Speaker 2:It was a failure in journalism as a whole to not speak about the things that he did or has done. That's been a positive. It's unfortunate. It's just the world we live in. That's why I'm here.
Speaker 1:Might as well. Can I agree? I agree, I did. I did criticize journalism on that. I was very critical of that as we talked about so much nonsense, and let's just use the example real quick. I'm not gonna get deep into it.
Speaker 1:Trump did this. Oh, the ai generator of him as a pope. I said really, we talking about this garbage? You know he likes his attention. He said you keep giving it to him. Ignore the troll. Look, especially. Look, especially if you hate Trump, ignore him. Except if he does something screwed up with policy-wise, then, yeah, you pay attention to that. But when he's doing this stupid childish troll with him AI-generated as him as the Pope, don't give it attention. That's what he's doing. It for, it's attention and the media? Just Anything for attention. That's probably what's dumb. Anything that generates attention, anything that generates ratings that's what they care about. If it was so important and truth, we would be hearing better stories and probably stories that put people to sleep. But I don't care. I'd rather have these dummies asleep than be hyped up and awake because they've done damage to this country already.
Speaker 2:He's not a good person in any way. So it's, I don't pay attention to it. Um, I'm with you, like I have to follow it to a certain extent because, you know, because my current job we do consulting that has federal components to it, so we have to follow just just I can, just. I basically am now reading emails from people that follow it more closely than I do and doing what they tell me to do, which is fine, like that's good enough for me. I try not, I haven't.
Speaker 2:I haven't listened to that guy speak since 2015. I never, I never listened to him. What's the point? It just doesn't mean anything. Everything's a lot like nothing. Nothing out of that guy's mouth is actually true, so it's just like hard to explain it to people, and but it's unfortunate, you know, I think, um, I mean it's political high tech, so I guess we talk about it here.
Speaker 2:You know, I think that, um, from a labor, if we're talking about jobs, I mean in this context, there's no other way to look than democratic policies. There's just not you know what I mean. Like we could talk about other things if you want, but as far as this one specifically and Biden did a lot of that stuff, and Obama did too. I mean, I am here because of job creation policies that started in 2010. You know what I mean, where I started putting you know.
Speaker 2:So it matters, especially with this type of work because it requires such a big effort to electrify the nation. It requires the government and we can't act like we can. Just, you know capitalists are way out of it. So we need big plans from big people. You know that makes sense and are studied and um and and we can't act like all this. You know this thing where he's just constantly look over here, you know, just distracting, while while you know they're they're they're breaking down rules, making it where children you know can at, while while you know they're they're they're breaking down roles, making it where children you know can at eight years old, can start working and 80 hours a week and like this, like really wild evil stuff is coming out of you know, and unfortunately that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the pope.
Speaker 1:The pope right, not exactly. No, you know, that's true, because I did talk about a story about I was very critical, especially red leaning, more conservative states are allowing underage people to work. I said, ok, this is, this is not good. I'm definitely against that, and you know. You see, this is. You see, that's something we could do, something that we should be talking about in that context Policies that's impacting people, not that him. You know the whole ai pope nonsense. That's just distraction.
Speaker 1:Trump is good at distraction. He's good with tv, so he's good at getting your attention, unfortunately, but except for him. There you go follow. Model jeremiah right here. Model him right here. Okay, just model him, all right.
Speaker 1:Just only pay attention if it's policy related. But it's stupid trolling, text message mouth. You know him talking on his true socials and all that. Let's just ignore that. But when it comes to him doing something that's sadly, you know, negatively impact or policies, that's what you should be paying attention to, because that's what's going to really affect us at the end of the day. Not the trolling and all that, but those of you who love him I know you love him troking and all that. But those of you who love him I know you love him choking, all that but I know he has negatively impacted y'all because especially certain population now you know, helping the farmers, so I went bye-bye with ice because of that, you know. Just. That's just many examples of the you know that's coming out of that um administration.
Speaker 1:I'm not the biggest trump hater or supporter. I I will. I will give him credit when it's something done right. I will bash him when things are off, and I've been doing that consistently ever since starting this podcast. Same thing with Biden I'm critical of him and I give him credit when it's due, like a CHIPS Act. Bravo on Biden, bravo for having that implemented. That was a good thing because of the AI thing, even though we're not talking about that. But this is something to do with jobs and all that that's going to be connected to some of that work later down the pipeline. Well, it's probably started now, for all I know.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I knew about him though in the 90s when they were building Atlantic City and he just refused to pay people and then would declare bankruptcy. So he would go to have an electrician wire, the houses or whatever wire, I'm sorry, wiring a hotel. He would say, here's a bill. He would say, no, I will not pay you. And then companies went under. And I knew that was a thing, and the fact that that's never even come up once in a conversation with a journalist is absurd to me. And I that was the thing that I knew from the nineties, because I know people that do labor in Jersey and stuff, and you know, and he just declares bankruptcy and then you know, at any given point, as a contractor, if I had given somebody a $35,000 bill and they could not pay it, refuse to pay it, you're going to be in real trouble.
Speaker 2:And nobody and that was part of the thing was so wild about it was people just refuse to work with him. And then he's got a TV show and now he's president, you know. So it's just like watching. It is almost comical, you know, just to see what's happened. And so, on that note, that's all I got. You know, like I said, I think it's important that we're. If you want to look into electrical, you want to look into HVAC you want. First step is to call community college and see what they got for you.
Speaker 1:Let me check just a little more of a political juice for those of you who don't like. Republicans got the bad majority. Well, you got the midterms and the house is very vulnerable for them. Again, the house is very vulnerable. I think the dems can easily take the house without trying at this point, and if they can't take the house, I'm going to say, dems, you are hopeless. This is a very easy chance for them to take the house. This is the easiest ever. 218 is the bare minimum of the majority. That's what Republicans got right now. The guy got to flip several seats all 435 up. You can mess up along the way. You just get a net gain of one, which I don't recommend. But try to aim for a big majority. 40 is competitive. Maybe 10 will flip. If I'm going to use conservative measures, you got the midterms.
Speaker 1:So this is defensive year. This is for anti-Trump narrative only. This is defense year, defense year and then next year you get to go on attack. But if you like trump, then the opposite thing. You better defend your life for the house because the house you got a lot of defending to do and you got to gobble up seats to the senate. You're gonna have an easier time defending unless the dems come with a very good strategy that can upset the odds. Upsets have happened, but at this one's gonna be. Democrats are gonna need a miracle. Miracle just to take the Senate, because out of the 23 seats out, I think three are really vulnerable for Republicans, even when them take those three seats. You got JD Vance, vp, who will do the tiebreaker. So you need 51. This time you need 51. Let's just say, in the alternative dimension, if Biden won the second term, you will need 50 seats because Kamala would have been a tiebreaker. That's the job of the VP that some people forget. They're the tiebreaker of the Senate. So that's all I'm going to say. That's my little political take on it.
Speaker 1:It's very minor because it's about trade jobs and why they are so freaking important and why society is paying attention when it's too late. It took the pandemic, sadly, to know these shortages. The pandemic, that's sad and I think some of these shortages could have been prevented, at least some. I'm not sure about the health care one, but I think the trade jobs one that could have been prevented. But we were just pushing college, college, college, college, not enough trade school, brainwashing.
Speaker 1:You know, to some extent students like me. They say, oh, college is the only great option, you know. But at the end of the day, you got to do your research, see what you're good at and help fill the job trades on shortages, because it's great pay. It's great pay, you know, especially if you're good at it. Yeah, it scales up too, you know, and some of them and some of them got unions, but some of them got unions as well. So, you know, it's not, it's not. You're not being more distant from the union. I'm just seeing that union is strong and actually fighting for its workers. That's my only take on that so gutsy question. Anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?
Speaker 2:No, just you know. No, no, I think I hit it. This has been fun.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, me too. Let's do the shameless plug-in for Jeremiah here, because go to his site. He has a fictional story, a book about the future, so yeah it's called After Oil 2047.
Speaker 2:And the idea is in 2047, as we're scaling back oil and working towards only electricity. It kind of follows the path of one person and her kind of negotiating the world. That's there. It's short, it's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not a thousand-page read like some of the people I've pushed. So look, if you got a attention span, you know if you're not a big reader, that book is for you yeah, check his site as well.
Speaker 2:Sorry, god I don't know.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say just check. Check his site as well, jeremiahjanciccom, and, and feel free to add something. All right, cool, that's it. You're not gonna add anything else feel free to add something.
Speaker 2:I thought you meant they could put a good review on my. If you read it and like it, you can put a good review. But yeah, so as far as adding things, I mean, I think you know we talk about voting, you know the democratic policy policy is the only ones that make sense for tent and we're open to everybody, and we need these policies in place and we need to think about the future. And if the future is just allowing 20 people to have a trillion dollars, then why it's definitely not for you know.
Speaker 1:So if you're voting that way, you should, you know, take that into consideration yeah, do your research or have someone you trust through the research, right and like I already talked about, you know, ground news and 1440 that actually talks about important stuff, the left and the right perspective in a centrist perspective and, you know, just attack the bias, because journalism is garbage, let's be clear. This is why we need these sources now. Ground news gives a more fair coverage what's going on and normally cover important stuff, not the stupid you know trump ai pope thing and the reason I use that because it's a recent example. Look, it's good to laugh at. Don't get me right, treat as comedy, but don't get stuck on it and don't get obsessed. That's probably a lot of them. You do that and he won. He's doing stuff that some people like, some people hate, and that's it. That's all I can say about that.
Speaker 1:Again, go to his website, his book, leave a review and all that good stuff. I will say the same for my. Let me just go to my little shameless selfish plugin. Leave a review on Apple Podcasts. If you do it through Spotify, I don't care, I'll just ignore you. Go to Apple to do that and give an honest review. You know you and me all might think of genuine praise and if it's something I need to improve on or you didn't like, feel free to put in a review. Feel free, I want to improve, I want to improve. It's not about pleasing my ego. If that was the case, I would not ask you for the review. I would say I'm the best dang thing in the world. Okay, I want your review. I seriously want your review. Okay, so just do that Apple podcast. Give a like, share, subscribe, feel free to comment on this and all that other good stuff. And yeah, that's about it. So once you complete this audio slash visual journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon or night. Bye.
