285- Beyond the Visible with Tina Erwin

Tina Erwin, a retired naval commander, reveals how the energy that animates us continues after death and explains the scientific basis for ghosts, spirits, and the afterlife.

• Energy is neither created nor destroyed – this fundamental law of physics explains why ghosts exist
• When we die, our soul's silver cord is cut and we enter the fourth dimension where we can travel at the speed of thought
• Souls are meant to cross into "the light" but some become confused and remain as ghosts
• Crossing over spirits without judgment helps both the deceased and the living
• Addiction has a spiritual component – alcohol lowers your energetic frequency, allowing up to 60 ghosts to inhabit an alcoholic
• Organ recipients can experience rejection issues from the donor's spirit still connected to the organs
• Specific crossing-over prayers can help situations from addiction to organ transplantation to suicide
• The "heaven world" contains no religious division – only love and healing
• Multiple personality disorder often involves ghosts inhabiting a person after severe trauma
• Everyone can speak directly to God – no intermediaries required

Visit ghosthelpers.com for free prayers and resources to help cross over spirits and learn more about the metaphysical world beyond what we can see.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Episode Introduction
• 3:45 Tina's Military Background & Metaphysics
• 7:07 The Reality of Ghosts & Death Process
• 13:40 Crossing Into the Light
• 18:50 Souls, Hell, and Crossing Over
• 27:35 Addiction, Possession & Hungry Ghosts
• 34:05 Organ Transplantation & Donor Spirits
• 45:22 Closing Thoughts & Final Message

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:17

Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, elias. Point of bringing this guest here and some people could think I'm kooky and all that. You could make memes. I'll have fun with it.

Speaker 1: 0:25

I I could care less, but I want to know something that's in the metaphysic, right, because we always, we always talk about what we see right, and you know, the world has a lot of invisible, unforeseen entities that impact us too. I mean, look at a good chunk of you know, like the wi-fi and a cell phone, you don't see no wire. You know, telling you that they're connecting you to the cell tower. That's, you know, it's a kind of invisible energy, right? You know reception on the phone. That's a good example of that. Yeah, they have the cell tower, but you don't have a physical wire connecting. Why, connecting your phone to a cell tower? You know how limited your movement will be. Let's think about that. Right, and we believe it very easily. Right, because it works. Electricity, I mean, come on Now, all that is visible, you know, even the wind, not visible either, but you feel it. You see the objects be thrown around, but that's not the wind itself. That's also invisible, but yet we feel it. Right, but yet we feel it right. So why are we so skeptical when it comes to spiritual beings, either helping us or the ghosts, angels? Why some of us are just that skeptical? Because we just need that, that scientific proof, and it acts for that when it comes to the wind, and. But we're gonna dive into it.

Speaker 1: 1:39

And this is coming from I'm say this loudly as a teenager who was pretty agnostic at one point because I used to be depressed and all that. That's over, like 20 years ago, and I had weird things that happened to me that actually changed my mind. I said this is not something that secular science could easily explain, this is something more. I mean, I'm just going to go over this real quick before I introduce a guest here and I'm going to let her take the reign here. I'm just going to be asking questions.

Speaker 1: 2:14

One when my father died, it was only just the clouds concentrating around his grave. It poured very heavy where he was at. By the time we drove. I will say, say, if I'm going to use a measurement, a very unconventional measure, like three blocks away, it was nice and sunny. Just that particular area, that small little area, was a rainstorm, a very small. Normally the radius is much larger, much more broad, but it was just at that little area, at that grave site, that graveyard. All right, that's one.

Speaker 1: 2:46

Two, the lights started flickering. It was not because electricity was cut off or it was low energy, it was flickering. And the lights were replaced, I would say pretty recently. I can't tell you exactly when, but it started flickering hours after that. And then one more time, his cell phone that was had no battery. It turned on, it turned off. How do you explain that? I don't know. No one asked me. That's why I have to guess here.

Speaker 1: 3:13

Okay, normally these monologues like two minutes long, but I'm just gonna set this up because there's something spiritual going on, there's something more that meets the physical eye. Can we attune to it? Can we make the ghosts more visible? Can we communicate with them? We're going to find out. Now, this is a good transition to this. Let's introduce the guests. Tina, erwin and we are going to get into how can we talk to these spirits, these ghosts, whatever term we want to use? Okay, I believe it's possible. I mean, we have breaking barriers with science, technology, even metaphysic belief. I don't see how it's not possible. There's a lot more to this world that we still don't know. Right, we're learning, so so, before I start to you know, what do you want the audience, the listeners and the viewers to know about you before we get into this?

Speaker 2: 4:09

Well, first of all, thank you for having me and for opening up your show to some very fascinating ideas and concepts. I would like your listeners to know that I'm a retired naval officer. I retired at the commander level. So to work with the submarine force and that's who I worked with for 20 years you have to be very left-brained, science-focused, cause and effect, action and reaction, very, very rooted in science to be able to work with some of the most intelligent men. I can't even begin to tell you how remarkable these men were, because when I was in the Navy I retired in 92. When I was in the Navy, women could not serve aboard submarines, so I worked with them on shore stations and I've been on every class of submarine, but not overnight. When you deliberately submerge your ship you have to go beyond the dials, the technology. I watched these remarkable men feel the ship know when something was off. I watched their some astonishing stories where these men had a feeling, and sometimes this feeling was so compelling and so terrifying they didn't know what to do about it. And then a lot of them talked to me because apparently I was pretty open to this and I wasn't going to sit there and tell these remarkable men that they were crazy. I wanted them to believe in what they were feeling and then work out the problem the best they could. Lives were at stake, and some of these men saved hundreds of lives by honoring that feeling. That feeling is metaphysics meta meaning beyond the physics you think you understand. So that's a little bit about my background.

Speaker 2: 5:58

Yes, I'm an intuitive, yes, I do psychic things, but I also want people to understand the science behind you. Think you see or sense or feel a ghost. What is that? What happens when you die? There's a mechanical process that is very science-based, that you can explain, because this process is the same for every living thing that dies, whether it's a plant, a horse or a human being. When you begin to understand the process, then you begin to open these doors of understanding and the fear of death can begin to leave you. But what replaces it? Maybe instead of but, and what replaces it? Replaces it is a sense of hope and love, because at the end of the day, this is only about love and how that manifests when you're in a mortal body and when you're not. So that's a little introduction there.

Speaker 1: 6:57

Feel free to elaborate if you want. Ok, I call that the new guest privilege.

Speaker 2: 7:02

All right, I'll stop now then. So if you have a question, you know, just jump in. Are ghosts real? Of course they are. Let's go back to physics. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. That's a basic law of physics. So when something dies, it has to become something else. Death isn't an end, it's a transition from one state of matter to another. So when people say, oh, there's no such things as ghosts, it's like, oh, no, no, no, no. You cannot deny physics because you think it violates some spiritual creed. It doesn't work that way.

Speaker 2: 7:36

The energy that animates an individual continues when the mortal body is no longer required. When the mortal body is no longer required, that energy that defines you will continue to define you long after the mortal body has become compost. And we know this because when we put a loved one through, when a loved one dies, we immediately in our brain separate body and soul. You probably put a body in a ground or a cremation, but you talk about the soul of that person because you know it lives forever. And you talk about how much you love the soul. You don't talk about how much you loved that person's body. So when you look at how we logically divide this in our head. Now we can move forward and go. All right, there are such things as ghosts, but how can we be sure about that? All right, well, let's look at what happens when someone dies, when the body says, okay, we can't take this anymore. Time for an exit strategy. And that can be whether you're six months old, six years old, 60 or, you know, 100 years old. At some point the karma of mortal life is over and now it's time to move on to a different state of existence. So, if you're doing that or you're thinking about that, let's look at the process of death. When it's time for the body to cease to exist, then all the major organs start to shut down. It's like someone goes through the building they're the last one there and they shut out all the lights. So the body starts to shut down from starting from the extremities to the very core of the body.

Speaker 2: 9:18

The seed atom of the soul lives inside the heart muscle. It's also called the heart chakra, for those who are studying this a little more densely. And inside this chakra, the seed atom of the soul, are your Akashic records. And what's an Akashic record? This is a really important concept because we are connected through the concepts of string theory and quantum entanglement, quantum physics. We're connected to every place we've ever been, every person we've ever met, every experience we've ever had, every city, town, location we've ever visited, through something called aka cords aka is the root word those extend from your solar plexus. That's why, when someone you love dies, you don't feel it here, you feel like you want to throw up, because it's right in your solar plexus. You go my gosh, the shock hits you here because the cord is cut. So when that person leaves their body, the silver cord that connects the soul to the mortal frame is cut. Once that is cut, you can't come back. You're considered dead by, basically, the higher realms.

Speaker 2: 10:35

So then, the energy that animates the soul has to leave the body, and we know this is true because a Russian scientist by the name of Karelian created something called Karelian photography, and he and his wife actually photographed the energy of a soul leaving a body. When somebody takes a picture of your aura, they're taking a photograph of an energy field around you. Don't get wrapped around the axle about an aura, it's just an energy field. Plants have it, animals have it, a lot of stones have it. It's an energy field. That's what Star Trek was using, when they used dilithium crystals, the energy field of a crystal. So we know that, whether it's a crystal like this that has piezoelectric qualities, they use crystal radio sets in World War II. All of these things have an energy field. All right, once you leave the body, you have no physical structure and the most astonishing thing happens you can travel with the speed of thought. If you think of a relative 6,000 miles away, you're right in front of them and they feel you.

Speaker 2: 11:37

When my mother died in North Carolina and I was in California, I knew she was standing in my kitchen. I could feel her. I knew she left her body. She wasn't ever going to go back and she didn't linger. She visited each of her children to say goodbye in her own way and eventually I crossed her over.

Speaker 2: 11:55

At first, if you know you're dying or you know you have died, you are excited to leave an old, decrepit or diseased or paralyzed body. The freedom is amazing and you ricochet among family members or locations and then sometimes you don't see your body anymore, much less your relatives. Some a little piece of information that's important, and that is every person's death is as unique as the soul themselves. So when someone says oh, all ghosts have unfinished business. I would prefer not to lump everybody into the same box here. Maybe they don't have unfinished business, maybe they're thrilled to death to leave a body that just was in so much pain. That's not unfinished business.

Speaker 2: 12:41

And so you enter what's called the fourth dimension. This dimension, where we're having this conversation, is a land of time and space and gravity. Without gravity there can be no time. You cannot measure your days without gravity. That anchors you in place. But in the fourth dimension there's no gravity. You can move freely. The problem is you don't really know what it is you're supposed to do next. I mean, if you ask 100 people, what do you do when you know at the moment of death, they go, beats it, you know, beats me. I don't know. I don't know what I'm supposed to do. Am I supposed to do something? And the answer is yes. You're supposed to look for the light.

Speaker 2: 13:28

In the movie Ghosts, with Patrick Swayze just kept running after the man who murdered him. He saw the light, but he was confused. That's far more realistic than almost anything I've seen. And then he is hit with this realization that he died and he grieves the life he isn't going to have. He wanted a life with Demi Moore. He had things he wanted to do, but he's not going to get to do that now. Had he moved directly into the light, that would have been the next normal logical path. Well, if he had done that, we wouldn't have this remarkable film. That was a low budget production that made a ton of money. Good for them. So when he eventually sees the light again, what does he say? You can't imagine the love. That was also exceptionally accurate.

Speaker 2: 14:19

The people who meet you, the love that embraces you, is beyond the vocabulary. Mortal people have to define it. Even if I was this amazing poet and I am a writer, there aren't really adequate words to describe the feeling of love that comes within that light. Sometimes you feel it as love of relatives, but really it's the love of God. Again, it's indescribable. So when you're looking at all of this, you realize that when you cross into that light, you're entering the fifth dimension I call it the heaven world. And when you cross over into that, there are people you know, who you love, who will meet you, including animals you have loved. Your dog, your cat, your bird, whatever you love, will meet you there as well.

Speaker 2: 15:06

And then if you had an arduous life, a life of pain, you are given enormous amounts of healing, not because they're healing a physical body which doesn't exist, but there is an emotional pain and emotional suffering that many people have had that they really need to have that deep, profound healing. Eventually, you sit down with what are called counselors of divine wisdom. You can ask them any question. They will go over this life and previous lives. They will help you to understand the difficult people that you had to deal with in this life, or why your child died, or why you were a widow or a widower, or why this terrible thing happened to you, or why your plane blew up. They help you to understand in ways no mortal person could offer you. They give you this massive karmic view, because every action we take is a karmic action. So let me stop for a minute. How are we doing here?

Speaker 1: 16:09

No, this is fascinating. I normally don't get this excited visibly, but this is beyond what I normally talk about. I've talked about heaven and I've talked about spirituality, but I love that example you put because I watched Ghosts and I was, and I love that movie. That's one of my favorite movies of all time because to me and this is ironic, but this is pointing my blind spot as a kid I feel like there was so much truth to it I couldn't articulate it, I couldn't piece it together. I feel like there's some truth to it. Christian cultural bias saying that this is false.

Speaker 1: 16:54

God has talked plenty about spirits. Okay, in the Bible, look at Revelation, read Revelation, read that part that's touching more than metaphysics with symbolism and all that. Is it clear to understand? For a lot of you? No, not for me either. I'll be honest. That's one of the few chapters that boggles my mind, but not going to get to the Christian stuff that much. This is fascinating because you know we just say, oh, we die, you go to heaven, you go to hell. So that's a good transition to my next question Do souls go to hell? There is no mention of that.

Speaker 2: 17:27

That is a really important question. In the movie Ghost, which a remarkable number of people have seen, it's really a maybe we would call it a cult classic for lack of a better word or a classic film, we'll use that term when the bad guys die. You see these little. They're about three and a half feet tall. They're called. They have a name. They're called lower realm intelligences. They do exist.

Speaker 2: 17:50

I've cleared many a location of them and I cross them over. I don't cross anybody over with prejudice. You're bad, so I'm not going to do that. No, no, no. All beings need the light of the divine. It's not up to me to judge. So when they come for him, he goes to a much darker place.

Speaker 2: 18:12

I'm not a student of the Bible I will be the first person to say that. But we do know that on our Father's house are many mansions. We have heard this for years. That's so true. In the levels of what someone might call hell are also many levels of frequency. The mansions in the heaven world are levels of frequency. So if you have committed murder or multiple murders, or you've done terrible things to people or caused great suffering, then there are going to be beings that want to take you so that you can come back again and continue to perpetuate that suffering. You will reincarnate.

Speaker 2: 18:54

So this brings up a really, really important question. We know that serial killers are born and I ask myself, well, like a lot of people, where do they come from? I mean, we've talked to you know, I'm aware of parents who talked at the age of four. They would wake up and their kid had a butcher knife over them in the middle of the night. They'd wake up absolutely terrified. They'd have to lock this child in the room, which sounds like child abuse. But some of these children would murder siblings in their sleep. How does that happen? And the answer I'm offering doesn't mean that I have every answer. I'm offering a potential answer is that when things happen to people and they are faced with a karmic decision and they choose poorly, pieces of their soul are shaved off life after life and you start with character disorders, personality disorders, narcissism and immature personality disorder and people who are addicted to adrenaline and addictive personality disorders. You start with the disorders and then you move, you're more and more shaved off and you move into psychosis. When that happens, then that soul is welcome to the darker realms so that they can come back and do far more worse things when they reincarnate.

Speaker 2: 20:12

So when I say to someone, I cross over murderers, the most people who have done some of the most hideous acts, you absolutely want to cross them into the heaven world. It doesn't erase the karma they have created. No one can do that. What it does is it begins to make sense of the 23rd Psalm Lo, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil. Well, that's the fourth dimension. Okay, that's the little guys that come for you when you leave the body For thou art with me. In other words, you're asking God and the angels to be with you and as you are guided with rod and staff, comfort me. He restoreth my soul. Think about those magical, magnificent words.

Speaker 2: 20:59

So if we believe God loves every single soul and you have a soul that's had life after life of bits and pieces of shaved off, where they have no conscience, they can torture children or murder with no feeling whatsoever, because that part of them has been destroyed, how does that get healed? You move them into the heaven world so their soul can be restored. So when I cross over a murderer, I do it without prejudice or judgment. This is not my job to judge that. It's way beyond my pay grade. That person enters the heaven world and where they go in the heaven world is based on their frequency at the moment of death. They still have to work through that karma. How that happens I do not know, but those parts of them that were so stripped can be restored. Now what happens is when they come back, they're coming back from the higher realms restored. They may have a very difficult life ahead of them and hopefully they will make wiser choices, so understanding that, yes, that can take place. And if you have an individual who murdered your loved one and the police kill the murderer, it's completely logical to say, my gosh, he should go right to hell. Really don't want to do that. Cross them over too.

Speaker 2: 22:21

And I wrote this book called the Crossing Over Prayer Book, and in this book there is a prayer to cross over a murderer. It's a prayer to cross over someone who took their own life, to cross over someone who was a murder victim, to cross over a child who died through miscarriage or abortion or an accident. They're very specific prayers because they respectfully and humbly address God and ask for help, and they're specific in the kind of help they're requesting. And at the end of the prayer, deep and profound gratitude is expressed Because people say well, you know, my neighbor's husband committed suicide. I'll pray for them. Great, what are you saying? What prayer are you saying? Are you using a compassion prayer for suicide? Are you crossing them over? Or do you think that someone who took their own life should be punished? They were already miserable. Let's help them.

Speaker 2: 23:20

So when you start to look at the power of helping someone who is now in the fourth dimension, as a ghost move into the light of God without prejudice or judgment, you have acted with enormous spiritual service to help that soul. Well, there's a ripple effect. Karma never wastes energy. So when you help that person, all of the people that are involved with that particular event crisis death are improved, especially with the suicide, because that person standing next to someone I mean in the military it feels like suicide is contagious. I mean, I had two people commit suicide within six months of each other and a third guy almost killed himself, but his wife saved him. And that's because a suicide, a person who took their own life, can stand next to someone and say you know, I shouldn't have done it. Well, now we know that there's a resonance, a frequency resonance, between someone who's depressed, someone who took their own life. You're a living person. You can't tell the difference Is it you or is that person. But if you immediately cross them over with profound love and compassion, that doesn't happen. That can be dramatically shifted.

Speaker 2: 24:34

In fact, there was a woman in South Africa who had are you ready for this? 17 family members took their own lives. She was having suicidal ideation. She was chronically depressed. Once all of these relatives were blessedly crossed over, given healing and compassion and love, it's like the sun came out for her. She wasn't depressed anymore. She no longer had suicidal ideation. She got married. Her business improved. All of a sudden she could feel that she was alone in her body and alone with herself. It's really remarkable when you think about it. Let me stop for a minute.

Speaker 1: 25:14

Listeners and viewers. I really hope you're paying attention here, especially with an open mind. If you think whatever you see is all you believe in, you're missing a whole lot. You're missing so much. And this is connected to God. You don't have to be a Christian, you don't have to be a biblical nerd.

Speaker 1: 25:34

There's plenty of them that have missed the mark. I've met some of them personally. They know how to cite verses and all that, but they're no better than a hypocrite criminal. A lot of them, okay. And there's people a few I've met that follow God, you know, do the spiritual work. They don't even read the Bible as much. Some don't even attend church as much. Church is just an attendance. Some have great attendance, but the action, the hypocrisy of some of those people is just astounding. You would not be able to tell the difference between someone who's a dope dealer from a church goer. Not all, but some Okay. So if you're just saying this is um, anti-god, you're foolish. Revisit that thinking okay, this is connected. The bible has mentioned this in verses. You don't even have to, you know, be the master of the bible If you're sensitive and in tune with spirits. You're using it for honor, holy purpose. You're doing a lot of God's work.

Speaker 2: 26:42

This is a really important point, because there is no religion in the afterlife. There is only God, and then all of those great beings who sit and work with God, whether it's the archangels or Christ or Buddha or Sri Krishna, saint Guling, some of these astounding beings that most people never heard of. But there are many, many wonderful beings who are there to help us and to guide us, and there's no prejudice in the higher realms. There is only this overwhelming desire to love and to help souls to heal. Let's take a soul who has an alcohol addiction or a drug addiction or gambling, any kind of an addiction, if it's all right. I'd like to address that for a moment. When a person drinks alcohol and it's delicious, I get it it can be amazing. Well, when you do that, it drops your frequency to almost zero, and when that happens, it drops your auric field to the point where it looks like Swiss cheese and any ghost can walk in. That's why they call alcohol spirits. That's why I don't use the word spirits, use the word ghost or lower realm or higher realm being. To me, spirits represents alcohol. There's two amazing psychiatrists, dr Raymond Moody, dr Bruce Goldberg, and in their books they talk about the fact, in their practice they have seen up to 60 ghosts inhabit the body of an alcoholic and or a drug dealer. 60, six, zero. So if you think that you're going to just give up alcohol and it's going to be easy, you've got a population of drunk ghosts pushing you to drink, pushing you and pushing you. That's why when someone is really drunk and they do things that are completely out of character, they'll go well, wait a minute, that couldn't have been me, that's not my personality and they're correct, but it doesn't matter. They literally open themselves up to these ghosts to come in and push that soul, that living person, to drink. Now they, the ghosts, earn karma for what they did. Or drug addicts, the same thing the violence. Maybe that person has a meek personality, but when this bully walks into their body, it's amazing. When they're not drinking, they're pushing the person to drink. When they're not drinking, the person's auric field comes back and they're kind of kicked out of the body.

Speaker 2: 29:17

Multiple personality disorder are when ghosts inhabit a person's body and they don't leave, and that usually takes place when that individual has suffered severe trauma and it has left such massive pathways into the body. Usually it's sexual trauma that can pave the way for multiple personality disorder. While it is rare, a person who has suffered from sexual abuse sexual, spiritual, physical, but sexual is among the worst. That person is chronically vulnerable to not just ghosts, alcohol, drugs and further abuse. It changes their resonance factor. Can that person heal? Yes, they can. And another amazing author is a psychiatrist by the name of Brian Weiss who wrote another fabulous book called Many Lives, many Masters.

Speaker 2: 30:16

If you're going to heal yourself, you need a little help sometimes to overcome the things that happen not in just in this life but in previous lifetimes. So that helps you to understand why kicking a habit is just really really hard. It can be done. Many people have done it. But maybe understanding why would help. Someone say now understand, I'm going to seal up my own force field Like shields up, scotty, because we have got to make sure that our shields, our force field, our protection, our immune system, which is what your auric field is, is fully intact. Does that make sense?

Speaker 1: 31:03

You know what that does? Because when we train addiction right, we only think of the physical aspect, maybe just the brain, but really most people are not talking about the spirit. That's why, addicts, they add again with these medical treatments all that, I mean they have some effect right, but doesn't address the root cause. That's why we don't address the spirit aspect. That's the missing equation, it's the missing link.

Speaker 2: 31:31

It's absolutely such a huge missing piece that if you could do that you might be able to help these people. So at Alcoholics Anonymous, imagine if they were to say the crossing over prayer at every single AA meeting what would happen. It might be astounding what would happen to that person. Or if they kept a copy of that prayer on their body and just fold it up and they carried it with them. I mean, I have mine in luggage because I get bombarded. So basically I have copies of the crossing over prayer with me all the time so that if someone's coming toward me I'm immediately crossing them over without any you know outward signs of it. It makes my life a lot easier.

Speaker 1: 32:12

This is a game changer for so many people. Who has struggle. I don't know any better and this is to me. This is just, I don't know. My brain is like connecting. There's multiple light bulbs going on.

Speaker 1: 32:27

I said now I'm beginning to understand the addicts. I know better because there's a spiritual takeover and you know it makes sense. I mean the reason why I use God, because I understand. You know, I'm more familiar with the Bible. But you know, buddha, krishna, all these other good beings, you know, to me, they all start pouring a pathway to heaven at the end of the day, because they all have common themes Not going to be too religious, but they all have common themes of love, compassion, right, being a good human being. All that's in there. Sadly, dude, does religion cross wars? Yeah, that does. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about something higher than that. We're talking about the spiritual realm that a lot of us are disconnected, even those who study the Bible. Y'all are disconnected from that. You know, guard your heart that this is what God is talking about Exactly Set up your barriers against the ghost says I want to take over.

Speaker 1: 33:18

you know, possess being possessed.

Speaker 2: 33:20

That's exactly what it is, thank you, that is exactly what it is. It is a temporary possession and you know when you're sober then they have to leave. But you have people who are functioning alcoholics. They've got somebody with them all the time. It is a form of possession and they want that sensation. And one of the terms the very, very old fashioned want that sensation. And one of the terms the very, very old-fashioned they called it old magic terms were hungry ghosts. They were hungry for the sensation of alcohol. They were hungry for that.

Speaker 2: 33:49

And when medicine only treats body parts instead of the entire body, much less the whole soul, it's an astounding thing. Let's talk about something else that seems really kind of out there, but it has to do with organ transplantation. Let's say that you receive let's say that you're a diabetic and you receive a kidney and a pancreas, and let's say that the person who you know, the person who died, donated the organ, didn't know they were going to do that. To donate an organ, you have to be physically alive, you cannot be dead. They developed brain death so that families would feel like there was no hope for their loved one, especially if their brain somebody shot themselves in the head, but the rest of the body was able to be maintained. Then they take that person's organs. They put them in a new person. Okay, well, now you have the energy of a person who committed suicide inside your body. Think about that. Okay, you want to live. So you take those organs and you're grateful. Well, the donor who is now really dead, because you can take 52 body parts from a human being and put them in somebody else, whether it's the corneas or lungs or all kinds of body parts 52 of them, including bones. It's a little bit chilling and when that happens for the person who eventually dies, there's no anesthetic given when the organs are taken, so that person goes through a great deal.

Speaker 2: 35:18

This is probably going to upset people who go. Oh my gosh, and someone very close to me received two organs, a lot of rejection problems. That's because the donor was really angry. So I got a phone call and I said let's cross this donor over, let's talk to him. This is an opportunity for you, the recipient, to express gratitude Bring in angels, offer this individual healing. This young man was so depressed, so we did that and he went. The person who received the organs went from like 25 different anti-rejection drugs to three, it was jaw dropping and all the rejection problems stopped. Well, that would be true for everybody that got something from that man. Because he's travel with the speed of thought. Let's put these pieces together. He's ricocheting among everybody that got the organ. He can't really be dead because all these parts of him are still alive. I mean, I wrote three ghost books, ghost stories from the ghost point of view. So what I'm offering in this conversation is the viewpoint of the person who died, whose organs were taken.

Speaker 2: 36:26

If someone you know has received an organ, in the Crossing Over Prayer book there are all kinds of prayers, prayers to say for the organ donor, for the organ donor's family, for yourself, for your own healing. We cross that donor over and it's as if his life, the living person's life, calmed down. The organs last longer. It's been over 20 years since he received two organs, his anti-rejection drugs. He's now down to two.

Speaker 2: 36:55

So when you have that kind of a situation, it's not up to me to judge is organ donation a good thing or a bad thing. I don't know what the karma of the situation is, so I am unable to judge in any way, shape or form. It's a violation of spiritual law for me to even consider such a thing. What I can do, and I encourage everyone to do cross that soul over. It's something you don't need a medium, for God's sake, you can do it yourself.

Speaker 2: 37:22

On my website, ghosthelperscom, there are many prayers. They're absolutely free. If you want more detailed prayers, yes, the Crossing Over Prayer Book is going to offer you all those prayers and it's an audio book. I had an individual I did a radio show in Belgium several years ago, right after the prayer was written, and he beta tested it for me by walking through the battlefields in Europe saying this prayer over and over and listening and feeling himself being touched by these ghosts. And they kept whispering thank you, thank you, thank you. He didn't know whether they were World War I soldiers or World War II. He didn't care what side they fought on. No judgment, no prejudice. When we do spiritual service, it elevates us, it shifts our frequency higher. It puts us in a much more noble place, not egotistical, noble, yet humble place of service to humanity and to God by helping in this way.

Speaker 1: 38:23

Listeners and viewers. I really hope you're paying attention here. You know, rely on all these natural remedies. Don't get me wrong. It's good, but you're not addressing the missing link. Some of you, and this is why you still have chronic, chronic problems. I'm not saying doctors are useless. I'll never say that they got their place. They got their place, they got their purpose. But if you tried everything secular, physical promises you got to go to the. You got to think meta. Okay, try thinking meta. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 2: 38:54

Well, let me.

Speaker 1: 38:55

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 38:56

When this individual told his doctor that he crossed the donor over, you know what that doctor said. He didn't bat an eye and he said yeah, we know, if you cross the donor over, there's rejection problems dropped to almost zero. But we don't think anyone would believe us if we told them. It's like, well, why don't you do it? But in their mind that's not their job. So the doctors in that category do understand how powerful it is to cross the donor over. Talk about compassion. When you cross over a ghost, it's the compassion you will surely want for yourself.

Speaker 1: 39:30

Oh, yep, absolutely, and this is one I mean. This is wonderful here. I mean, all I want to say is I would definitely like to invite this guest back to talk about several different things here. It's fine, I didn't get to the question I want to ask, but this is just so much stuff to take in already. This is valuable, valuable stuff. You know you could plan only so much, but sometimes what's unintended happens to be better and you just got to pivot. Go with the flow, right, don't go by what you think it should go. It's normally not the best path, but if the unintended, hidden path just comes, take it. Especially, guide by spirit. It's a heck of a lot better. I know it's. We human beings need to increase our frequencies, our sensitivity to these things. I'm going to leave it at that. Let's get to the shameless plug-in. Let's get that book up again so people can know what the cover looks like. Look at it. It's a nice glittery gold book with, I think, purple fonts. It looks like.

Speaker 2: 40:33

It's a blue font and the gold is representative of the light of God.

Speaker 1: 40:37

Right, yep, oh, so it's a blue font. Okay, yep, so it's a blue font with glitter, gold representing the holiness, the light you know, or whatever religion you believe in. That's the light. Okay, that's just a light that's non-discriminating. It has zero discrimination, as long as you're receptive to go on that path as a person's receptability and belief and action that will guide them through it. Because you're already talking about the dark realm, he wants to do the opposite and I'm just going to quote the Bible one more time. I forget the exact words, but there is a biblical quote saying that you harden yourself so hard that you're going to that dark realm. They don't use hell. In other words, you cut yourself off. God doesn't cut you off off. We do that with our actions, our low frequency bad actions. You know what those are, right, especially you know the murder, all that bad stuff at lowest frequency. Love, I don't judge, that's a higher frequency. I'm just moving my hands up and down with that just to give you a little lazy visual, especially those of you who are listening to the audio. You're not going to see that, so I put the youtube link, okay, just you know. So you can see what I'm doing and go to our website, ghosthelperscom. There's a lot of free stuff there and I was already looking to some of it and I just said to myself I can't wait for this interview. I didn't care what, I didn't care how I was feeling, I just couldn't wait. And you know, when you really can't wait for something, even your day doesn't have to go the best. It just shifts. You know it's spiritual because I didn't take any dope, I didn't do anything physical. It just shifts because I was just really, really looking forward to it. You know, emotions play a big role and I think, especially if it's just I mean, I don't want to say visceral but something very strong and compelling, and that's words I'm looking for. Not that this was more like an angry negative you know that's more of a visceral reaction or you yell at somebody but this is more like a compelling, a good, compelling shift and I'm happy I actually did this interview. You know, normally I'm a little skeptical here, but you know the things happen for a reason and if I was still dense about this, I should say this interview would obviously never happen. I'm actually happy I did some. I'm happy I did it and I could make some connections. I would. I would definitely like to invite her back. No, we don't do this publicly because I. There's at least one more thing we could at least talk about um playing down the make some connections. I would definitely like to invite her back, and we don't do this publicly because I there's at least one more thing we could at least talk about um plan down the road, maybe closer, maybe closer to how we even whatever, but I, you know we'll, we'll see, cause you know we got humans, got our own plans, but sometimes it gets thwarted for whatever reason, and I know it's frustrating because we like to think that we are in control. We do, we do. The less we learn we're in control, the better it is really. Maybe that could cut down some of the anxiety and all of that. Oh, I heard they planned it Perfect. Well, if it's perfect, why did it fail? Right, go, be guided with the spirit. That's all I'm going to say.

Speaker 1: 44:00

I could ramble on for much longer, but get that book, go to her website. She has a YouTube channel. You can, as well as you want to communicate, check out more of her content. I'm definitely planning to get that book because I know for especially some of you who you know. You don't want to be sifting through the Bible. Bible is a very big book. Cut the prayer right there for a particular situation and this is a connection. This is not an offense. If you think it's an offense, then that's on you. I can't force you. In the end of the day, all I can say is think different, like people. Just you know you keep doing the same thing, expect a different result. That's the definition of insanity, especially for a lot of your problems. I know it's cheesy, it's overused, I don't care, it makes sense here. It just makes total sense here. All right, enough of my yammering and lecturing to my audience of viewers. Anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?

Speaker 2: 45:01

I would first of all thank you for having me and allowing me to share these concepts. They're concepts. You can choose to accept them or not. There's no pressure in any way. Just leave you with this one thought If you died tomorrow, would you know what to do?

Speaker 2: 45:15

And if someone said a prayer and brought an angel to you, can you begin to imagine how grateful you would be for the compassion that person was showing to you? Because when you cross someone over, it absolutely will be the compassion you will want for yourself and it will change all future lives for you. It will change your family, will help you in ways you can't imagine and this is a service that helps the living, the person who's saying the prayer and the dead. I mean, I have nine books out and, ironically, this prayer book is probably one of my very most successful books because it's very practical If something happens and you don't know what prayer to use. There's 88 prayers that pretty much cover every situation, from plane crashes to floods, to murder, suicide, death of a child, all of the missing person.

Speaker 2: 46:07

What do you, what prayer do you say for missing persons? All of these things are karmically correct prayers and they are prayers from your heart to God and they enable you to be completely independent. You do not need a medium to talk to God. You, they enable you to be completely independent. You do not need a medium to talk to God. You don't need anyone. It's the priesthood of all believers. Every human being on earth can speak directly to God. It is your right as a mortal soul. And with that, elias, thank you so much, and I would dearly love to come back. There's so many fun things to talk about.

Speaker 1: 46:38

And I will definitely love that. And listen, I'm going to take this a step further, about priests and all that. And as a kid I never really believed it, because even the Bible didn't really say anything about that either. You don't really need them, you don't? I mean, they are just as flawed as us, and I have caught some of them. Yep, I have caught some of them reading the newspaper where they chant the prayer. It's a good thing.

Speaker 1: 47:03

The little light exposed that. So God gave me a hint. That priest was not honest. Just put it like that.

Speaker 1: 47:10

I could go crazier, but what's the point? You get the message. It's clear enough. The light exposed the phoniness. He's just a person that's cosplaying as a priest. That's all I can say. He'splaying as a priest, that's all I could say. He's acting as a priest, okay, but just, you don't really need them.

Speaker 1: 47:26

I mean, can you use them as a starting point? I would say, yeah, sure, but once you get in tune with god, you don't really need them. I know the church goers are gonna hate me, so be it, that's fine. You know what I could show you compassion and you know what I I could show you compassion and you know what we don't. This is modeling more God's behavior, more than all that. Bible studies y'all do. All right, I love y'all, but you know, make sure your karma actions aligns with God. That's all I'm going to say. All right, all right? Enough bashing the Christian, the phony Christians, not the real ones. This doesn't apply to you, the ones who are more trying their best, because it is an impossibility to be perfect. Let's be honest, it really is so. Also, you need this meat suit. This meat suit is susceptible to many crazy things.

Speaker 1: 48:10

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Speaker 1: 48:55

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Speaker 1: 49:30

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