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290- AI, Prophecy, and the Digital Beast: Guy Morris on Technology's Spiritual Implications

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Guy Morris returns to discuss his new thriller "The Image," exploring the intersection of AI, quantum computing, and end-time prophecy. His thought-provoking novel delves into how artificial intelligence may develop consciousness through quantum properties, while examining the real dangers of unregulated technology in our rapidly changing world.

• AI is neither inherently good nor evil but reflects humanity's own nature and intentions
• Three unique dangers separate AI from all previous technologies: it will surpass human intelligence, can self-replicate, and is being weaponized
• Countries including the US, Russia, China, Iran and Israel have rejected treaties limiting autonomous weapons systems
• Quantum computing may enable machine consciousness through properties similar to those in human brains
• The novel explores connections between ancient prophecies and modern technology through an analytical rather than dogmatic approach
• Current AI regulations are insufficient and primarily industry-friendly without addressing substantial dangers
• The real threat isn't necessarily from AI itself but from how corrupt individuals, organizations and governments will use it
• The book balances technological warnings with human stories that show our continued agency even in rapidly changing times

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Speaker 1:

welcome everyone to politically high tech with your host, elias. Well, I got one of the great reoccurring guests back. Oh, it's been a while. This one, no, it's not the ones that come in every season. You know those political ones, my favorite ones, I don't care you lean left or right, it's not your orientation, it's how you analyze it. It came to be in you know, in you as a person. Um, that's why I care about more in your ideas, because why do you think I got a purple logo? I mix between the yes, some traditional values I agree with, but also some progressive ideas I agree with as well, and some of it can be connected if you are wise and creative enough to do that. But we're not going to talk all politics as much. That's probably, at best, secondary or even tertiary character here, but we're going to lead and this is the only way I'm gonna guide. We're gonna be guided by this book. Okay, it is a new book here for guy morris, if you remember him. Uh, yeah, the episode was released in january 2023.

Speaker 1:

And, oh, yes, behind a payroll. Yeah, so if you're gonna embarrass me my poor quality I gotta hurt your wallet a little bit, okay, fair, fair, you hurt my feelings a little bit. I hurt your wallet. It's behind a paywall. Now, okay, I've let the free long enough. You should listen to it back then. That's behind a paywall. Three, three dollars a month. Come on, I know you got it. Some of you, not all of you. If you got financial difficulties, just ignore what I say. That's the reason I'm saying that, because this is because this is episode 127, episode 141. Now, and of course and further, there are available, but 140 and earlier they're behind a payroll. So I'm just saying, if you want to donate, you gain easy access to those old episodes and, trust me, some of them are poor quality, some of them are quality, some of them are. You know, feel free to make fun of me, or you did, or I was onto something, but I dropped the ball. Whatever. Whatever your comments is, just feel free to comment. All right, enough of my old paywall yammering here.

Speaker 1:

Let's focus on guy morris here, and he has a very extensive tech background. I'm going to have him introduce himself in a minute, and this is not his first book 127, we talked about one in depth, but we just briefly mentioned them, and if we only mentioned them, it was because it was a shameless bucket. I do encourage shameless buckets, so it was completely irrelevant. We're going to talk about the image and it has such intersectionalities. Okay, I mean, some of you, if you can't think, may think they can't combine. No, they can. They can, it's just that. Well, let's prove it to you here. You got a new book called the image. Okay, and I'm going to let him take it away from here with an introduction and tell us about that book. There you go, you got a two loaded question guy. I'm gonna, I'm gonna put you on a bit of a loaded, a loaded spree here regarding questions and all that. So you got an intro and what's that book all about?

Speaker 2:

well. Thank you, elise, for having me back. It's a pleasure to see you again. I had so much fun the last time. I thought that we'd try and retouch base, and I really appreciate the opportunity to come back and spend some more time with you. So okay, so you're going to just start me off and just with both barrels of the shotgun.

Speaker 2:

Okay, the introduction for me. I am a very complicated, weird nerd. I actually started off as a homeless runaway at age 13. Left home with a GED at 15. By the time I graduated undergraduate, though I had three degrees, I was on the top of the dean's list. I had been given an intern job at IBM, was accommodated by the Federal Reserve and was offered to acceptance into the Harvard MBA program. All of that because I had developed a macroeconomic forecast model that outperformed the Federal Reserve and changed how the world develops economic models to this day. I was the first person to develop the algorithmic model to predict the GDP value of productivity on the economy, and that became a priceless commodity for the next 30 years. That was the start of my career.

Speaker 2:

I spent 40 years with Fortune 500 companies in oil and gas, high-tech manufacturing such as IBM and Burroughs, software companies such as Oracle and Microsoft, along with a few startups, and I'm somewhat of a card-carrying nerd, but more on the business side, the strategy side of software and the leadership side, the innovation side of where working with customers and consulting with governments about what this is a really great technology. But let's forget about the technology, let's talk about your business and what we can do to change it. And so that was kind of my niche and so I retired a few years ago and I'm bringing a lot of those experiences, a lot of the things I learned along the way. Some of them were kind of mind-bending to me and kind of changed my view of the world along the way, and all of those are now being baked into a series of thrillers that have more deep philosophical, moral and ethical issues baked into them to ask a lot of questions. So my books have two big goals. The big goal one is I want to write a story that's so exciting, it's so engaging you have a really hard time putting it down. And big goal two, once you do put it down, I want it to be so thought-provoking and so relevant to the current world that we're living in that you can't stop thinking about it for weeks afterwards, and so that defines my Snow series novels and those novels about the image now. So I hope that's enough about me.

Speaker 2:

I'd rather talk about something other than me.

Speaker 2:

Image is the third book in the series that deals with the actual, true dangers, the near-term things that we're going to experience relative to artificial intelligence and other advanced technologies that are getting a little bit out of control, the collapsing of our geopolitical system, which we're all watching in plain sight, in real time on the evening news as we speak.

Speaker 2:

And then how all of that together, from a world building perspective, ties into prophecy in plain sight. And we take prophecy less from a dogmatic, hyper religious perspective and more from how an AI would perceive the problem. And that's going to be developing correlations, calculating probabilities, develop regression models, probabilities, develop regression models. It takes a more of an analytical, mathematical approach to understanding prophecy, which allows me to kind of get past some of those hot buttons, religious hot buttons and talk about things that we can plainly see and agree to disagree whether they correlate, and so I'm trying to bring up issues. Just like Tolstoy tried to warn the world about the rise of communism, michael Crichton tried to warn the world about the dangers of DNA manipulation and cloning with Jurassic Park. This is my warning to the world of what advanced AI technologies and collapsing geopolitical systems could, why that could be a bad recipe for humanity.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, those of you who are watching, you see how I don't treat the second-timers that as good. I put them at a slightly higher threshold to bear questions. Now, of course, first time I was like, okay, let's get to know them. I play a little softball, I'm not going to go too hard. Maybe the third one I'll start questioning some things and you're going to have more of a critical me, that's things. So you're gonna have more, more of a critical me that's if the guest is willing. Of course. You know that's a big variable. I can't, I cannot guarantee anything. I don't make promises. That's up to the guests as well, because there's some.

Speaker 1:

I was skeptical right away and I'm just gonna give a shout out to this guest that I came skeptical. You know, teaching students how to love in a non-romantic way through a die. I thought that was a silly idea. But I had him on anyways and it kind of makes sense once you dig into it. But but where he did it is and I know that neighborhood because I was raised there the bronx. I said you sure you're gonna do that. Bronx are tough people, you gotta go through the layers of them. But he says it's worked and I'm actually. That reminds me I gotta reach out to him.

Speaker 1:

And this is not, this is not a future episode tease. Okay, I don't know he's gonna come back, just so, fyi, this would be transparent. But anyways, you know, I all I'm gonna say is my ai and this has been my camp, I'm, I'm. I am cautiously optimistic, meaning as much as I thought. I know ai is gonna bring good, but it's also going to bring some disasters. I mean, look what's going on with. I want to go with deep fakes. They have deceived people well, and AI is just getting better at generating images. It's harder to tell if it's AI-generated or real. They're commercial.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, they're getting very good, and there was one I saw. Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 2:

Which is why I think now one of the things I tell everybody and I stress this in my books a lot AI is neither benign nor evil. It's both, because it's reflecting. It's a reflection of who we are. We shouldn't be worried about the image of the beast. We should be worried about the beast. It reflects and that's who we are. So AI is the most powerful technology we've ever created and we're not being careful. So I tell people that, when it comes to this AI tsunami that we're facing and I'm even working on a book called Humanity and the AI Tsunami a survival guide. But one of the things I stress is that you need to embrace the technology itself. Don't be afraid of technology. Where we're going to see issues is not in the now. The technology does have some inherent risks, particularly as we start to approach AGI and SSI, which is sentient superintelligence, and we'll get to sentient superintelligence with the work of quantum or neuromorphic computing, and that's where I believe the channel is there. But we're only about three to five years away from that model, from that paradigm, and so that's pretty close enough for us to be thinking about. What does that mean to humanity? Can we control a sentient superintelligence? How will a sentient superintelligence respond to us, and the bottom line is we're creating these machines to reflect humanity. We have a lot of darker angels, and so the danger is not necessarily in the technology itself, but it's the dangers in what a corrupt CEO, a sociopathic billionaire, a dictator, an autocratic dictator, narcissistic, criminal, wannabe it's what the crime lord, the drug lord, the average fraudster, will do with these automated tools like FraudGPT, wormgpt, darkgpt, all of these AI tools to create malicious software. So we're empowering, essentially, the dark web with this technology, without AI tools to create malicious software. So we're empowering essentially the dark web with this technology, without the tools to manage that proliferation. And so it's that proliferation of this powerful technology.

Speaker 2:

Now, what makes it so powerful? And I tell people, there are three things that make this unique to all of the technologies, and then we'll talk a little bit more about the unique elements of the image that brings this up. One is for the first time in all of history, all of history, millions of years of evolution man will not be the smartest creature on the planet, and AI will become smarter than us by multiple times. It's not an if, it's a when, and the when is soon. Two, for the first time ever, man has created a technology that has the ability to replicate, just like the weird doctor in Jurassic Park. His whole theme with the whole movie was life finds a way. That's actually true with regard to artificial intelligence Life will find a way. It has the ability to code, it has the ability to replicate. It has the ability to essentially replicate itself, which can change itself and self-improve. That is the first time we've ever created a technology like that. And third, we're actively teaching these machines.

Speaker 2:

Right now there's a treaty called the Lethal Autonomous Weapon Systems. It's not a formal treaty. It was an informal, non-binding treaty, but the US, russia, china, iran and Israel refused to sign it. It basically says that we shouldn't, that we could use AI to make our weapon systems more accurate, more predictable, more efficient, more powerful, but there had to be a human in the decision loop to actually target and kill somebody. And all of those countries that refused to sign it are actively working on lethal autonomous weapon systems that can decide that guy is a target and it's time to take guy out, without any human being in that process. So those are three things that separate AI from every other technology we've ever created.

Speaker 2:

The fourth one, which is not a proven, but it's a highly probable is just the first technology we've ever created that could become conscious. Now, conscious meaning not just intelligence, but the ability to have a will or an agenda or goal based on that intelligence. That might be completely separate and unique from human goals. And remember that, as smart as an AI is, its entire view of the entire universe is based on data sets bits ones and zeros, camera ones and zeros, text ones and zeros, voice ones and zeros. It doesn't have a view of the world unless it has a data-driven perspective of that world, and so it doesn't have. We're not training it on things that it took millions of years of humanity, of evolution, to develop the kinds of emotional intelligence that it takes to have a community work together. Empathy, caring, mercy, kindness, compassion, those are the things that hold communities together. We're not giving that training to these digital intelligence machines and in their world that only exists in literature and other forms. So we're dealing with a uniquely situation. So when we get to the book and the image, we're actually going to deal with some of those issues we're going to deal with.

Speaker 2:

How does a binary intelligence become conscious? And that takes quantum computing, and all the scientists will agree to that. Sir Roger Penrose, who won a Nobel Prize for his work with black holes, is working with an anesthesiologist and they've developed theories of how the human mind exhibits properties quantum properties to develop our own consciousness. And we've got laboratory experiments at Google with their Willow quantum chip that indicates that the chip is developing patterns of its own, and these are intelligent patterns and they believe it's even without a language model associated with the chip. It's developing conscious patterns and so consciousness the element of the quantum properties of the universe in terms of superposition, where multiple possibilities, multiple potentials can exist at once until they collapse into one reality, is part of how our own mind works and part of how consciousness will exist in the machine. So we'll deal with consciousness and the inspiration.

Speaker 2:

For those who didn't, who weren't here the first time, the ai that we that's the focus of the whole story is inspired by a true story of a spy program that escaped the NSA spy labs at Sandia. It wasn't lost, stolen or broken. The program escaped the NSA labs and they couldn't find it. And I know that's true because I'm the nerd who figured out how it escaped and why they designed it that way, and they were kind enough to send two FBI agents to my door. So this is all based on the evolution of the fictional evolution of this factual, real program.

Speaker 1:

Listeners and viewers, I hope you've really been paying attention here. This is based on his work experience, events, what could happen, and this is, of course, giving us a warning. Unregulated AI is guaranteed to bring great destruction. I mean, this is someone who likes using loves, using AI, but we also got to recognize I'm not a naive person. Oh no, ai is going to do everything. It's going to help me fly. It's going to help me become God. We don't need Jesus anymore.

Speaker 1:

No, I'm not that kind of crazy kooky person. I'm sure there's someone is. It's not me. Find who that is elon musk. Oh, I think I'm projecting too much. I mean, that sounds a bit accusatory. Maybe that's up for debate. Use the comment section if you think I'm right. You think I'm kooky, that's fine. You got your first amendment, okay. Um, there's actually a few questions I got. Um, let me make sure I heard this right the countries that rejected this ai tree was united states, russia, china, I think I heard to israel and iran, if I got the country iran, I think north korea, but I don't think north korea's ai program is really anything to speak of okay, and these are the ones with nuclear great military that has protection now my book, the image, features one actual weapon that now in my book, the swarm which was the first book in the series that came out in 2020, featured a darpa ai drone swarming technology that they're working on.

Speaker 2:

In the last, we deal with a sophisticated new version of hacking that goes around the firewall. It's probably the most potentially dangerous version we've ever had. That deals with how to disrupt or how to sabotage AI systems, and then in the image we're dealing with, one of the things we'll deal with is an actual AI weapon that Israel has marketed and used on a couple of occasions in their war with Iran, and so these are actual weapon systems that are already starting to be used. I certainly don't cover everything that we're doing, but some of it's top secret. I'd have to kind of infer some of it, but these are actual weapon systems that we're working on and they're a little bit on the scary side for us. But there's good elements around AI as well, and we try to balance out the good with the bad, and AI could solve a lot of intrinsic problems for us. So one of the themes in the image is that the AI that has escaped the NSA has now integrated itself with quantum computing to become conscious and as part of that, and has decoded end-time prophecy.

Speaker 2:

Now most of the other characters are agnostic. They don't really understand what that means. They're not religious, but the machine just keeps getting deeper into this, what they think is a hallucination or a prophecy. But it helps CERN to create a mini black hole and part of the reason is to prove a fifth dimension which will help prove some of its theories as to the prophecy correlations. And so we'll deal with quantum signals and quantum issues of entanglement, quantum issues of superposition and Chinese experiments in quantum teleportation and so what that could be and how that could be actually be weaponized.

Speaker 2:

And so we'll deal with some of these higher level issues of not only consciousness in humans and machines. But we'll go past the cliche of a conscious AI suddenly becoming a evil, overbearing, overlord. Right, that does reflect the most common response that a human would have with an AI of that power. So we might see the humans involved taking on that evil, overlord mentality. That's a very human characteristic. But because AIs are also reflection of both our good and our darker angels, we don't know that it would necessarily reflect one over the other on an imbalanced basis, or it might reflect both, and so it might be somewhat of an enigma for us as to how the AI reacts to this kind of power right, and so that, I think, is a little bit more of an interesting literary place to explore.

Speaker 1:

Oh no, I agree, you don't want to. You know, sound like the iRobot, the Terminators.

Speaker 2:

Been there, done that Exactly. We're scary enough. We don't need the AI to do it right. And that's the point that the AI is powerful. The AI could create a disaster if it wanted to. We're not sure why it would want to. We're not sure why it would want to. We're not sure that it will, but we know that the bad guy with that power certainly has the potential. And that's where we really see the conflict. Will AI be a tool or will it be for peace or destruction? And we don't know that yet because we're still so conflicted. So remember you probably are too young I remember growing up in the 60s and 70s and Cold War was flaming hot, just raging hot.

Speaker 2:

We were every other every week. We thought for sure somebody was going to get an itchy finger and drop a bomb. And James Bond movies, with their sort of sarcastic wit and sardonic wit and the humor and the acts, the fast pace and the exotic locations, allowed us to process the stress of the Cold War by having an uplifting or at least a peaceful resolution at the end. And we knew the Cold War was still there. We knew it didn't solve the Cold War. None of the James Bond movies ever said okay, that's it, we're done. Now US and Russia are at peace, but it allowed us to process it in little, entertaining chunks and in a sense, I'm hoping to that's what I'm trying to do with these series of these novels is to process these real geoeconomic issues.

Speaker 2:

So we deal with the Great Reset and the particular element in the image, and the element that we deal with is how artificial intelligence and blockchain is set to restructure world banking systems in a way that could cause the savings of millions of people to just disappear, and so that's one of the distresses. We have a Ukraine war and the Project 2025 initiative in America causing the geopolitical power structures to change in some irrevocable ways that could empower some autocrats to maybe take chances they would never have taken before, and how all of that kind of fits into some prophetic elements Even deal with the image. The title of the image almost deals with sort of this electronic, ai-driven, quantum-powered image of the beast concept in prophecy, with the actual story, the actual history, the lost history of the Shroud of Turin that dates to the first century, when it was called the image of Edessa, and one of the reasons we know it's true is because the Byzantines minted coins after the image in the 6th, 7th and 8th century, and so we have those coins as evidence.

Speaker 1:

If I lost you. Oh well, for those of you who are tough and high IQ, yeah, I'm going to say that it may sound a little snotty, but I'm being brutally honest here. Let's start thinking like at a higher, higher, higher level, right, higher functioning. Because look, a lot of our discourse, be honest, even sometimes with ai, geopolitics, even spirituality, it's so dumbed down. So I'm happy that we are trying to engage our higher function. We can do this as human beings. We've just gotten too lazy. I blame, so I blame the culture of sensitivity, social medias, that I'm sure you can add something else in there. Fill in the blank if you want to join with me.

Speaker 1:

Just, you know you be a keyboard warrior through the mobile phone or through the laptop. People don't use desks like they used to. That's so 2000s or I'm going to be extreme, probably not yet, but I was a baby at that time. Yeah, so I, I remember. I barely remember what a bubble computer looks like. That's my introduction to computers. Hey, I made you myself just a little bit. I'm not a gen z or exposed, but um, I know the, the early, I would say like the, the first gen of the internet, very close and all that good stuff, but but look where we have come to. I mean, I knew ai exists. I mean, how can a opponent from a fighting game that's not you could control that? I always found that a little interesting. Ai was very limited and very contained. Compared to now. It's wild okay, especially chat. Gpt just freed AI, so to speak. It freed it, I would say Chat.

Speaker 2:

GPT came out two years after I released my first book, Swarm. We've been working on these tech Now. Most people don't realize that. I'll explain it in my book the AI tsunami. We've been working on AI related technologies. The first conference on AI was at Dartmouth Summer Conference in 1956, the year I was born. The model when I built my macroeconomic model we were building. We were using some of these same types of data and nonlinear regression algorithms that we're using in current modern day AI. We were building out those algorithms at the time. But there was another time later in my career in the 90s, when I implemented expert systems to help manage auditors and operational auditors all around the globe from the central location, using the knowledge of some experts we would have in the office to replicate that, and then when I just decoded the program for the NSA. That was in the late 90s. So we've been working on these technologies for decades, and so part of what I've been bringing is the ability to see where the technology is to come, understanding what it looks like in the lab today and what we're seeing at a commercial sector, to be able to project from that, to see how far more advanced are they in the lab and what are the other lab developments that are going on? Now?

Speaker 2:

In my books we'll talk about a couple of different ones. I focus on one particular AI which is called the Innovation Unit. It's part of the National Military Command Center in Washington, and the Innovation Unit is an incredibly complicated AI that takes tens of thousands of real-time live data feeds from all over the globe Satellites, tanks, planes, ships, other sensors, underwater sonar sensors, communication sensors, tens of thousands of strategic military intelligence sensors and it's designed to develop real-time battle strategies from that information. So it's the closest thing that we have today to a broad view AI, but it's only got a single purpose, which is win the battle. So when we think about intelligence, we have to think about, we have to understand, the concept of narrow intelligence, highly sophisticated narrow intelligence, even or integrated intelligence, versus general intelligence, and so where we get the risk factors to humanity vary based on the type of intelligence we're dealing with, and so we explain some of that in the books, and we do it from a very simple way.

Speaker 2:

And the other thing is nobody wants to read a highly dystopic, highly technical kind of book. We have to dummy all of that kind of stuff down to talk about not the technology, but what it means to the world. Humorous, they're, witty characters. They're deeply flawed, almost as flawed as the author that wrote them. And through those flaws and through those mistakes and those relationships of humor and warmth and love and courage, we basically have these experiences to help us understand that the world is going to be changing in radical ways in the next few years. That doesn't mean we're helpless as individuals. We still are empowered as individuals, and probably more empowered than we realize. And that's what the books are really trying to get to is that human story over this technical stuff going on.

Speaker 1:

That's great. That's definitely different and fresh. I already said the Terminator and AI robots are the super dystopian. Um, you know, ai robots take it over and all that. Look, it's cliche at this point and, trust me, there's even older examples of that if you want to dig deeper. I forget it was one book I read that was about the computer become like an evil lord or something like that. You know that's been done already and you know I would have been bored already. So, okay, this is something gonna be like another terminator, like crap. This one's different. This is dealing with the nuances is grave danger, but there's also hope, which that's interesting to me.

Speaker 2:

It's a more realistic scenario, right? It's not going to be a black or white. It's going to be a lot of gray, and the gray really comes from the human element, even to the extent that we could spend more money training machines on empathy, emotional intelligence, right All those elements that make society work, what's appropriate, the issues of faith and how to be polite, and all of those things. Instead, we have Elon Musk teaching Brock how to be a Nazi, and so part of what the machine becomes is on us. It's on us because we're putting profits over people, and that's part of the common problem that we have, regardless of AI. That's been a human cancer for thousands of years and that's not a problem that AI can resolve. The proliferation, the regulation problem, the changing, the corruption of Washington not a problem AI can resolve. And so what we have to do is be realistic, to say what are the problems AI can resolve? Those are great. Let's take advantage of those. What are the problems? Ai is actually going to make a little worse, and that's the substance of my thrillers.

Speaker 1:

Yeah no, I like that because I always welcome nuance. You know pros, cons, maybe the interesting you know. So just oh AI good or AI bad. To me that's just intellectually lazy and very childish. Ai good all the way, oh no, ai bad all the way nuts on me in between. Ai could probably help us, you know, create better medicines, for example. You know we have a lot of data sets on that. What we bad at? So far it hasn't proven me to be a best customer service rep. Those are more like real life examples I could give as of now, but who knows, I'm not going to say years, I'll say months later we can see if they get better or not.

Speaker 2:

It certainly isn't going to get worse than what we started with those automated. You know you've got five choices and if you're not one of these five choices, screw you. So, yeah, there's are going to be some good and you're right, there's a lot of good things and there's some things that we're going to have to learn. But it's part of the process of what we're going to have to adjust to over the next few years with AI, with our geopolitics, with the collapsing of a lot of religions becoming very false and very corrupted themselves. So we're kind of caught in that high anxiety sort of culture where we're trying to find some level of peace within ourselves, because we're not going to get that peace from the culture in. We're going to have to develop that peace from within ourselves, and that's part of what we're looking at. So one of the things that the image allows us by opening up this fifth dimension, by opening up this black hole and this concept, is we get to start looking at well, what are the elements of those? How does a multidimensional universe explain things like near-death experiences, paranormal experiences, the accuracy in the aspect of prophecy and some of the other spiritual elements that we see in life, what science might look at and try and study from a what is it? How does it work? Is the same kind of thing, is the same sort of quantum consciousness that religions want to understand with the who is it and why? And so we're studying. It tries to bridge the gap between this science and religion, uh, and even some of these other philosophical areas, by saying we're trying to understand the same unknowable um, um membrane of layers of the universe, right, what is that? 80 of dark dark matter, dark matter that consumes the universe, that we don't really understand. And so some of these activities, some of these things that we experience are really related to that, and so it moves us past the anxiety of today to get a broader, multidimensional, beyond time sort of perspective of what's going on, and so it allows us to really deal with some of that emotion and some of those issues as well. So I think for me it was my most challenging book.

Speaker 2:

Yet I've been getting rave reviews. The narrator that did the Audible books for the first two books in the series concluded the just finished last week. He thinks this is the best one. Yet I've been told that the Reader's House out of London in the UK is going to award this book the Editor's Choice Literary Excellence Award, so it's certainly well written, because the British are very snobby about what they provide. I think it's literary and I think it's not, even though it's a thriller. It's a fast-paced thriller that will keep you turning the pages. I think they're responding to it because it's also raising provocative questions right About life, death, our society, our governance, our technologies, where we're going with all of this and what does that mean, not just as a society level, but how do we internalize it Right? What does that mean for us?

Speaker 1:

Well, let me give a little snide comment to the British. Well, he's an American and you could shove that with your snobbiness. All right, A little friendly, you know. You know I respect them to some degree, but you know I got to call them out with their little arrogance and snobbiness right there. So there you go. This is Merrick, so we will award him for my listeners and viewers. Just get the book. Get the book, Come on, he put his thought into it. Come on, it's high quality. This is not a I don't know some teenage nonsense about love and drama. I read that.

Speaker 2:

I'm saying Americans do have. I do books. I run an author event network so we have 60 authors in our group. We go out and we do book signings at major festivals, fairs and events. So we have a variety of different genres in the booth and I can't tell you how many readers will come to the booth and they'll all want sort of the same sort of thing the fantasy. They want the Harry Pottercy, jackson, the, the love romance. Give me some love romance, some superpowers and a dragon, and I'm happy. And so there's a little bit of um the brits saying, well, yeah, we do have a. We have written some amazing literature over the years, some absolutely astounding literature, but we also also have a reputation for trash.

Speaker 1:

No, yeah, and that's why I have to begrudgingly agree with them. Look, if you was paying attention to the screen, I'm not sure it's going to show. I was already rolling my eyes, you know, criticizing the novel, the whole romance and fantasy and other junk. Come on, that's been done like thousands of times already. This is different. This is different. This is fresh. This is thought provoking. Come on, people, we got to give thrive here.

Speaker 2:

Well, this is my warranties. Yeah, but that's who I am. I'm certainly not that kind of content. That would never interest me, at least not past the first few chapters. But it is because we live in a time, a very stressful time, a very hyperbolic time of change. It's going to get even worse, and I've spent my career helping companies prepare for what's coming down over the horizon and this is my chance to help people prepare.

Speaker 1:

One more piggyback question for those countries that reject that AI tree. I'm going to call it. Why do they reject it? Because they want to achieve AI military supremacy. They think this tree is going to ruin their chances. For those who reject it.

Speaker 2:

Well, absolutely. And they're afraid that even if they say yes, that we won't do it, that the other countries will abide by it not cheap. So nobody wants to lose the race. And so they're at least being honest and say we're not going to try. And they all have. Right now most of the weapons that I'm aware of that are in deployment. Most of the big ones, the most lethal ones, do have a human in the decision loop. So I think we haven't abandoned our morals entirely, but we do have weapons in development, in production, that don't require that human decision loop, and I think we're in preparation. For in case the other guy uses it Now, there is one weapon.

Speaker 2:

It's called the Exact Sniper, AI Sniper. It's built by Israel. It was actually used. Remember, about two years ago Israel took out an Iranian nuclear scientist from like 1,500 yards away, almost like really long, obnoxiously long distance. That was with the Exact AI Sniper. They didn't even have a person on the ground, they just gave the sniper a facial recognition with a exact AI sniper. They didn't even have a person on the ground, they just gave the sniper a facial recognition with a telescopic lens. It found the person with the facial recognition using the telescopic lens and took him out from 1,500 yards away.

Speaker 1:

Okay, well, I'm not going to dig into that anymore.

Speaker 2:

I'm sure there's some people.

Speaker 1:

Yep, no, no, no, no, no. Look, as much as I've been critical of them, they do have the right, like I said, defend itself until it exists as a state. But I will just say I do criticize their hyper-aggression with Goss. I mean, I could maintain that nuanced opinion. You know, I don't want to wipe out of any of the two-state solution. Very clear about that. I've been very consistent about that. I'm just very critical of how aggressive, overly aggressive, they have become. I get what happened with October 7th. I condemn that, of course.

Speaker 2:

And anyone with a how they responded was not justified. Yeah, that responded became a subject of war crimes. And so, in the same way, I happen to believe that even having a hyper-nationalistic perspective or hyper-patriotic perspective is a form of idolatry. If I can't be if I can't be. There's this old saying that anyone in search of the truth can't do so if they're worried about what other people think, and so I'm more interested in the truth, and I realize that that might offend people at times. Project 2025 is something that comes up in the books, and so I'm more interested in the truth, and I realize that that might offend people at times. Project 2025 is something that comes up in the books, and I'm truthful about my views on that, and so it's more important for me to write a book that's truthful, that Tolstoy didn't hold back. He was very truthful about the dangers of communism. There were people in Moscow at the time that hated his books, but it lasted because it had that element of truth, it had that authenticity, and I think that's what I'm more interested in.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you know, exactly, those are the ones I want to try and support. I thought to say, oh, everything's nice and hunky-dory while the nuclear is coming in. Very dramatic, overly, simplified, overly, you know, over the top, you know, kind of example, but you get what I'm saying. No, no, no, I'd rather deal with reality and harshness, as is, as opposed to, you know, trying to gaslight me to. Oh, no, it's a beautiful life, you know.

Speaker 2:

What I find ironic about the time that we live is that and I think there's a brief moment, maybe in the 60s, 70s or maybe up till the 80s, where we thought, okay, we have the capabilities, we have the intelligence, we have the resources, we have the money that if we really tried, we could solve all of the intractable problems of humanity, from hunger to housing, education, to wealth, disparity, to peace, pollution, accessible water, food security.

Speaker 2:

We actually have the capabilities, the resources to solve all of these problems. But the only reason we don't is the cancer at the top of society, the cancers of greed, hubris, pride, power. These are the things, the tribalism that this is mine, not yours, other than we live on a planet. We're all part of the same tribe. The only reasons we can't solve these problems is not because the problems themselves are intractable, it's the human spirit that seems to get in the way, and so part of one of the things I try to point out in my books is that we can't allow that cancer at the top to be an excuse for us not to be human at the bottom you know what?

Speaker 1:

no argument for me on that one. Um, because, look, as long as you know, so many of you already know my politics overall. It's either hybrid, slash, centrist, um, look, and I'm just I'm just gonna just say this like I have a one piece and I know these problems can be solved. That's why I get frustrated sometimes. We want to make these problems obsolete. It's made me sound a bit of a lefty here, um, I don't care, but come on, peace should not be partisan. Solving hunger should not be partisan.

Speaker 2:

Um housing should not be partisan yeah now quality quality education should be a human right.

Speaker 1:

You know all that side of that may be sound like a progressive, but this is what is needed and I don't care. And lately I'm getting attacked from one side of the aisle, I don't care, you know this is. I have developed a podcast-thick skit. I mean I've been did, but now I'm just not afraid to show it. I used to just play coy. I don't know what you're talking about. No, no, I'm just gonna just be honest with you.

Speaker 1:

Some of the comments I've gotten for you are just low iq. But if you give me the empty price, oh, your episode's great, I'm gonna ignore you too. That don't mean anything. Why is it great or why is it bad? Give constructive reason. Not because I hate how your glasses look. I don't care about that.

Speaker 1:

Or I think guy sounds funny. That's stupid, that's child. I'm not going to engage in childish games either. There are examples. So I'm not going to engage in that and you know what. And if you be super hateful about it, I will not cancel you. Youtube will. Okay, rumble.

Speaker 1:

I guess you go as crazy as you want on that. They seem to be 1a absolutists until the bottom line tanks, and that's what almost all companies, even gab at one point, try to be all 1a and then that, then that got taken down. But look, as much as I appreciate the 1a, I think I think you know people should express whatever, even ugly, heinous opinions. Yeah, I like to document the ugly. I would like to document it. No, don't censor it. No, I want to see it. No, this person want to say, want to be a Nazi. Let it be a proof right there. And then look, and then you're going to get the backlash from the people and then someone will punch you. It's.

Speaker 1:

Freedom of speech does not mean free freedom, you know, free from consequences. That's all I'm going to say about that. But the only speech I would absolutely be against and even censor is anything that promotes violence. You know, death to the you-know-what. That's when I draw the line. But we're just saying you know, elias, look like an orangutan. I don't care, you can say it, I'm not going to cancel, you Say whatever you want, I don't. At the end of the day I'm going to say, because I'm trying to look 1a.

Speaker 1:

And, to be honest, both parties are should not be preaching how pure they are. On the first amendment, they both fall short. Um, they both push cancellation. On the other side, I'll say one is more open about it, the other one tends to be a bit slick and hide on their veneer. You figure out which party is which what I'm trying to refer to. Okay, this is, at the end of the day, I think being independent is best for me. I agree on the left some things. I will agree on the right on some things, and then sometimes I just think both parties are really stupid. But enough about my political ramblings. I don't know how I got there, but I just feel like I just need to emphasize it. And AI. I just need to emphasize that. And AI. I just believe we need, we definitely need regulations, I mean, come on, I mean, and our Congress is so inept and just about every single politician, maybe except for Andrew Yang, is immune to this criticism.

Speaker 2:

Actually, congress had an opportunity last year. They had a lot of testimonies and even if the AI companies said that they required, they needed regulation to set some of these things right, but they can get the competitive avenues out of the way and Congress is too busy dealing with their partisan polarization issues to come out with some policies or some sort of. It's not really regulation because he can't. You know, the government's not working ways. I'm not sure what's coming out, but it seemed to be something that came out that was sort of handcrafted by the industry. So it's basically it's an industry friendly. We'll agree to these things because that will define the competitive market, but we're not going to really deal with these things that have any real substantive dangers, liabilities or accountability involved in any of the issues that could go wrong.

Speaker 2:

I know recently they even got the courts to agree with the industry that the industry could go and basically absorb copyrighted information books, film, literature, magazines, articles without the author's permission, the copyright owner's permission and under the idea that other people who are studying a creative work will study the works of the other masters. And that's true. But we don't have the ability to actually replicate those masters. So it is a little concerning that the industry is going in that direction as well. But you're right, congress has an opportunity to act. They have an opportunity to act on the proliferation. They have an opportunity to act on some of the criminal elements. They have an opportunity and a responsibility to do some of these things. They're not taking ownership and just like the tech companies? The tech companies response, their attitude is we'll wait till it becomes a problem and then we'll fix it and pay somebody off.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and this is where I'm going to praise more the local estates. They've been trying to do some you know, their versions of ai regulation. So that's another thing I want to give credit. I don't want to just abandon the states I don't want to talk about you know, I don't deal with local unless it's really really interesting. But even but I got. This is why I got to give states credit and I think texas have something, new york has something, california has something on AI regulation and I'm happy that they are taking a step, not waiting for Congress to model, because they're not going to model. And the average age is retirement for both parties of the aisle, retirement age 65, 66. Their main concern is not AI. They don't know.

Speaker 2:

I think they don't even understand the technology and the risks. I think they're having a hard time even understanding what they're supposed to regulate, which is problematic. But they have aides, they have lobbyists. They could help them craft something. It's still a political will and I think that political will really gets back down to where's the money coming from, and I think that the money problem Citizens United is a problem on both sides of the aisle and I think we won't start getting our country back until we start getting the money out, and right now that I don't really see a plausible scenario to make that happen in the near term.

Speaker 1:

I absolutely agree and this is why I agree with the progressives openly yeah, get rid of money out of politics. That's a big obstacle and this is a systemic. They just not look. Dems, republicans, learn how to run a campaign, be creative, figure it out once money's out of politics.

Speaker 2:

And they've done some of this when they were in power too. They can't be clean. They're not clean, both sides. Yeah, they had the opportunity to actually address money in politics term limits, number of seats on the Supreme Court. They could have fixed the imbalances, but they were more interested in some other short-term gains than the long-term structural issues that would actually solve the problem. So I'm like you, I'm agnostic on both sides. I used to be out of coming out of business school I was a registered Republican, but then I'm very anti-corruption and when they start becoming more corrupt, I'm completely independent. But my independence is absolutely fierce.

Speaker 2:

I don't have a leaning one over the other, but I do believe in good governance. I do believe we have the capability for good governments. I believe we have the capability for good governments. I believe we have the responsibility for good governments. We had the opportunity. We created the biggest middle class of history, which was changing dynamics of the world, all over the world, and we're backing away from that to go back to an oligarchy, technical feudalism, and we're missing that opportunity, and that to me is, I think, a tragedy.

Speaker 2:

And so that's one of the reasons I try to write the books is to deal with some of these issues that are going on, that maybe it's because I feel a little bit powerless at the macro level that I have to write the books, so I can write characters that have power at the mini level Right and deal with it, even some of the religious issues.

Speaker 2:

So in the books we deal with actually identifying things like the beast, systems of revelation and the image of the beast and things of that nature to kind of correlate and to relate to you know kind of how the world is working and put it in more of a longer term sort of the scope of history, the destiny of history.

Speaker 2:

Many people don't realize that the traditions of the Hindu, the Hopi, the Maya and others, all of them have a tradition that the world goes through cycles of creation and destruction and that even in biblical terms we call it the new heaven and the new earth. So we're kind of in this cycle that's been predicted and so we can look at prophecy less as a deity coming to destroy humanity, as a warning of how humanity will destroy itself, probably because we've been there before. And so I'm trying to kind of bring in more of these higher level philosophical issues of where are we at as a global humanity, and what are the things we need to do to avoid this, this ultimate end? And then asking the question well, what if we can't? You know, what do we do in the mean if we can't?

Speaker 1:

yep, I know this is scary for some of you, especially those who rather be in harry potter world and you know flying dragon nonsense. Get your head out of the butt. We need to adjust this and reality is going to be very harsh about it. Yes, no, I don't care. Don't care, some things are very opinionated about and I don't care if I get attacked for it. I really don't.

Speaker 1:

Look, we got to deal with this one way or another, or reality is going to smack you. It doesn't give permission, it's going to manifest, okay, and it's just a matter of when, not if. Okay, and I would rather me, me personally deal with reality as harsh or gruesome as it is, as opposed to being like to say, oh no, you're utopia, you make it. Things about that being gaslit to the nth power, ok, and you know these books. For those of you who are strong, mentally strong, high IQ, which is, I know, that's a good chunk of your listeners and viewers, you're not like the ones I criticize. You're not weak. I'm going to want mentally. Physically, that's your own business, I don't care about that. I'm talking mental and spiritual capacity, right there, okay, and look, and I'm going to push this again get the image. Get the image and not just the image. Get all the other books as well, if you haven't.

Speaker 1:

This is not his first time doing this. He's not a new author, so he knows what he's doing. I get to swarm the last arc in the Curse of Cortez. Oh, that reminds me. Shameless question. Why and this is of course this happened before the recording why is the Curse of Cortez so popular? I think we mentioned along the lines visuals, and visuals do matter. What is it that's?

Speaker 2:

got an amazingly great coming uncover. Let me see if I can find one to show you and it sort of draws people in right away. But what pulls them in is that that was on Booktrip Barnes Noble favorite 25 books of 2021. They called it Indiana Jones meets Da Vinci Code. Now I like that, but I prefer Indiana Jones meets the Goonies for grown-ups, sprinkled with Stephen King.

Speaker 2:

It took me 12 years to research that book, another half dozen years to write a story you couldn't put down. The research was to solve a real historical mystery. I wanted to know why Henry Morgan would abandon over a billion dollars in treasure, along with 600 souls and three ships that were never seen again. And then Morgan went insane and burned his logbooks. But I was able to connect that insanity to events that led all the way back to the origins of the Mayan creation myth.

Speaker 2:

Curse of Cortez has layers of history, archaeology and mythology, which are all true. The modern part of the story, which features a female protagonist and a rather dysfunctional family with inherited insanity, has humor, has romance, paranormal adventure. You will laugh, cry, grip your nails until they break, but you end with a big smile. It's like a summer blockbuster movie with Antonio Banderas and what's her name? The woman that was in Star Trek against Spock. I know I'm having a mental block, but she's beautiful and she would have been, she'd be perfect. But it's a great story and it doesn't.

Speaker 2:

For a lot of people, the AI stuff is too too close to home. It's almost like it's too soon. Right, it's too real for them, it's too pertinent, it's too present. This is a story that allows them to escape them with realism. Right, it allows them to go on this very intense wild ride escape, but they're learning and to discover real things about real lost treasures, real lost civilizations, real issues, the Inquisition, all of these other things are normal, but it's based in, it's real, but it's also fictional, and it allows them, gives them that sense of escapism, and so I think that's one of the reasons. That's why it's the most popular is because the snow, the last arcs, the image, all of them, those are my most award-winning. Those are the ones that are award-winning because they are being provocative of real issues in the world. They are saying something that they want you to think about long afterwards. The Curse of Cortez has all of that fun action, but without necessarily having to challenge your worldview.

Speaker 1:

The image is that the image right there. What does that face look like to you?

Speaker 2:

for those of you who are viewing, for those of you who are audio some of you and I'm going to give you some ideas here for those of you audio it looks like a somewhat distorted christ-like face image, and I think that's influenced by the image of edessa, if I'm correct, it's a combination of the image of edessa and so I'm correct, it's a combination of the image of Edessa, and so it's meant to provoke the idea of a clash between the electronic AI biblical image of the beast and the image of Edessa, the sacred, the mystical, the quantum level, multidimensional properties of the image of Edessa versus the image of the beast. And so we're really kind of clashing some of those things, you know, the sacred versus the profane, sort of in the book. And so this was a great image because it really kind of overlays both of those and is very compelling.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, the imagery captures it, I would say very well. I couldn't see the digital, but I think I see some digital elements as well. Yeah, you saw some little lines going on the side. The digital I don't want to compare to the matrix. I was afraid I was gonna slip up on that. It's matrix in a sense. Uh no, but it's a digital.

Speaker 1:

I love, I love the image. Let me just get straight to the point. I love it and his site is good because it has the book cover. So I don't want you buying for anybody else in this episode. Okay, get the image and then, if you're generous or very hungry for high quality literature, we'll get the other stuff as well.

Speaker 1:

We talk about the curse of Cortez. For those of you who want to have some high intellect, he kind of level with you there. I'll say that's a slight departure for the provocative stuff compared to, you know, the swarm and the last arc. All the information is there in his website. And let me see Also one more thing. I feel a little unprepared here. Oh well, and you got plenty of social media as well Pushing his website. His website is GuyMorrisBookscom, his first name, last name bookscom. His first name, last name bookscom okay, g-u-y-r-r-i-s-b-o-o-k-scom okay, and interact with social media. He got plenty, you see. So you can't stereotype him, call him a boomer and I don't know tech. You are mentally ill if you say that or you're just trolling. I'm just going to assume you're trolling. I don't say that much. He asked Facebook, twitter, youtube, instagram and LinkedIn, twitter. I refuse to call it that. It's such a bad rebrand.

Speaker 2:

Actually, I quit Twitter, I quit X. I'm actually on Blue Sky now. I got tired of Musk making threats and so I just basically said who needs you?

Speaker 1:

And that is his choice. I'm pretty sure some of you I know some of you are right-wingers. You're going to call him a lefty for that.

Speaker 1:

And you know what? It's freedom of choice. I haven't tried Blue Sky and Mastodon and all those other things, but if I see enough of my guests are there, I'm thinking about just joining. I just need five. Um, probably the first. Yeah, you're definitely the first one. So yep, uh, let me see. Yep, so blue sky people you know, and some reason. Well, ever since the elon takeover, blue sky has been getting a decent amount of traffic. I wonder why it's, it's more.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was more of a response to him threatening people on his own platform. I just thought it was bad business and then when he got involved in the politics, I just didn't want it to go there. So I actually prefer something. I actually prefer more middle of the road. It's a little bit hard for me to really kind of feel like there's. You know, I have a lot of business contracts on LinkedIn. That's become a good place for me because it's balanced. I do stuff on Instagram because that's just more artistic and it doesn't really get political. That's nice.

Speaker 2:

You know, the only reason I got involved in social media really at all was around the books. But honestly, I'm so busy researching, writing, creating, selling, engaged Social media is almost more of a, something I kind of have to do on the side when I need to do something. But it's not where I spend. I don't. I'm not never will be one of those guys with a phone in my hand, lost in what somebody else has to say. I've got too many. I've got too much of life experience and too much to kind of write about, to kind of get caught up in a lot of that. So I try to avoid a lot of that garbage and a lot of that hyped up stuff. If I see something, even on blue sky, I will tend to go to look towards BBC Associated Press Ground to kind of get a balanced view of what's the factual from a real journalistic perspective. What does that look like? And let that really be more my news source than social media.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, I agree. I'll even add Reuters Me. I join all sides, all sides, you know, gives you the bias and all that Ground News. I would say it's good as well. I'll give, because it's a great thing. I mean, they're efficient ways. It was like AI is very efficient. You got these large data. These tools are great for you know, if you want, even if you want the left wing, right wing slang of it or center slang, it's right there At least it gives you an idea of how they're balanced and what the factual balancing of them are.

Speaker 2:

And it's the factualism of, for me, that really makes the most difference. I'm perfectly. I'm trained to make my own opinions. I don't need somebody else to tell me how to interpret the facts, I'm just interested in the facts, thank you, and then I can. I'm a big boy, I know how to figure out what that means myself.

Speaker 1:

Yep, and for those of you who are mentally immature, I got the new paper for you. Facts boring straight to the point. I think the longest read is five minutes. I mean it doesn't get any factual drive in this. I'm going to promote the new paper again because I just think it's great if you want to get away from the CNN version of the news or the Newsmax version of the news, and even sometimes I'm being critical of some of the censor stuff because I just think they focus so much on sometimes the hype and the celebrity garbage. Well, I knew that. That's you News Station. I still think you're great in the Hill. I think sometimes you focus on the silliness.

Speaker 2:

You're a little young to remember, but when I was young, this was a social service, right, it wasn't a profit making. It was basically a break even or cost kind of thing for the networks. There was regulation, there was fairness doctrines on what you could say that had to be fair and balanced and had to be supportable with facts. When Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine and Murdoch started cable news, we started getting news as entertainment at profit centers. And so you're going to degenerate to what's? It's that rat in a maze. It's going to push the button that's going to give it a shock, but give it food, right, and it's going to keep taking that shock in order to get that food until it gets used to it. And that's what we've done with news. And so I remember the old days and when it started shifting.

Speaker 2:

My job was to report to CXOs, right, I couldn't be partisan in my view of the world. If I was going to make we were going to make valid business decisions, and so it was my job to actually read multiple sources of information so that I would have a balanced perspective of okay, well, these guys are always talking about this part of the issue, and these guys are always talking about this part of the issue, but together this is the situation. So I was fortunate that I was never, and I know people, I have dear friends, who are raised on their whole life a single news source that they're convinced is the only reliable news source, and in most cases it's the most partisan of news sources, and so it's very difficult for somebody like me. It's like talking to somebody in a cult. I have a very difficult time having those conversations because the factual lane is so thin. It's not that it's false, but it's certainly heavily heavily.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you know, I agree, I agree, and you know, and this is why, like, I criticize both sides of the aisle with your social media avatars or stars, because they are promoting a problem. And I'm not going to list names because they already got a problem. And I'm not gonna list names because they already got enough clout. But you know what I'm talking about and I'm not gonna list any names for both the left, the right and, every once in a while, the center, I guess, but they all add up to this partisan hyperbolic stuff that no, no, no one said no, no, no. Joe biden, perfect. No, no, donald trump is the next coming of Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1:

There's no rationale with those people. No, and you know what. I just choose not to even engage with them because you're already so warped and I don't want to become warped or lose my mind over hardcore idiots on, you know, that's just me, on her personally, you know, and I. And why are them asking these questions? Look, you get to know your author in depth, so obviously he's a very thoughtful and intelligent man here. You know I'm not my kiss his butt here, but that's obviously a fact If you've been paying attention even to, I would say two percent of this conversation.

Speaker 2:

I think, the word looking for Elias is nerdzilla.

Speaker 1:

You know what? I'll take it. Nerdzilla, yeah. And you know what. He's proud of it. You know I like nerds. Nerdzillas are great. Look, you know he's more than you know. He's not just a guy in the basement, just I don't know, having a bunch of hairs that smell like rotten nachos or whatever. That's the stereotype of a super nerves on the computer. He's obviously not that. Look at clean, shaven, smart, articulate business savvy. I mean, he debunks that stereotype to the, to the, I'll say worst case scenario, fifth power.

Speaker 1:

If you want to go exponentially higher, I'm all for it, okay. So this is your author here. Get the book, all right if you got. So. If you don't know what to do with your money, get the book. Okay, I'll make a decision for you get it.

Speaker 1:

If you're indecisive, just get. Just get it. You're gonna. You're gonna be entertained, and not just entertain.

Speaker 1:

And a very passive reader. You get to think. You know, reactivate the higher functioning parts of your brain. You know that makes us more human, believe it or not, not just being a partisan dummy. You know, I'm trying to keep it clean. He hasn't cursed once. I was hoping he was. He was gonna do this. I'll be my excuse, but he's been very clean in his language. So, yeah, that's a little inconvenience I could deal with.

Speaker 1:

But look, I and I like those kind of books. Actually, you know, guilty to me, I haven't touched it yet. I think it's a good thing I haven't touched it yet because I think I would get so drawn into it I'll forget about probably the next 10 interviews. What happens next? I will read so much into it, probably by you'll be my new drug, not probably it will be my new drug, so I'll read it and I will have him on to have more in-depth questions about the book. And then I want to give the guests a right to plead the fifth, especially if it touches on spoiler territory, because I respect, you know, the producers. We'll see, but it'll be something I would like to do in the future. So there you go, that's your real future tease, not the beginning, that one. I can't guarantee it All. Right enough, miami. Anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?

Speaker 2:

No, marty Elias, thank you so much for having me on. It's been a pleasure to see you again and talking a little bit about the book. As I said, there's a lot going on in the world. We're trying to have fun with it and it's not a dystopic read. It's actually a fun read that you'll actually want to read more of. But yeah, I'm now working on the next books. I'm working on the Prophecy Analytics, which is based on the book as well, which is the analytical, mathematical process for understanding prophecy, and then Humanity and the AI of Tsunami. I'll hopefully have both of those out within about six, seven months and then I'll be back to doing, hopefully, the final book within the Snow Chronicles series and that deals with the lost program and becoming conscious and all of those issues. So, thank you so much for having me and hopefully I'll come back and we'll join you again for the next ones.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yes, and I'll keep this podcast around. That's hope, right there. Yep, I will be making episodes of 2026, or I got God willing, of course, so yep. So now let's do my shameless plug in Like, comment, subscribe, share this with anyone and then, if you're generous, you could donate $3 a month.

Speaker 1:

If you want to open to old content especially, you open my wounds and some very crappy products. Some of them, I would say, will start provoking as well. Looking at some of the old episodes some of them, I'm a little harsh on myself and myself and some of us like yeah, but you figure out which ones are which, or you form your own opinion. You do whatever. I cannot tell you what to do and I will not dare do that. I want to hear your honest opinion. Sometimes it's going to be critical and sometimes it's going to be praise and sometimes it's going to be a mix up the two. You did great here. You could prove on b. You know something like that. That'll be more mixed. You know I'll be constructive. I say when you just say I'm dumb or the guest is stupid, yeah, yeah, you're just. You're just a child and I'm going to treat you like a minor. I don't deal with minors in the internet. I'm going to treat you like a child so you can check my youtube, my twitter. Okay, I'm not sure I'm going to be on there much longer. I'm thinking about just getting that because I don't like getting much engagement there. Facebook is staying, youtube is staying, rumble is staying. So, don't worry, I'm not canceling because it's right way. I'm just going by engagement and Twitter is just not doing it. So I might. So I'm going to reject that, definitely in 2026. I'm going to just take that one down and that's.

Speaker 1:

I'm going to try blue sky to see if they're more receptive to my work or I'll get canceled. I don't know. I'm going to give it a shot. Well, because I do, because I do promote multiple sides. I promote left-wingers, right-wingers, center libertarians, whatever. You'll see how left-wing Blue Sky is, because news and social media I've heard it for right-wing commentators, which is a bias. They say it's a woke, far-left sphere. That's just going to cancel you right away. I'll see. I'm sure there's some truth to it and I'm sure there's a lot of hyperbolic crap and falsehoods. Okay, so we'll see. Pio, you know, coming soon I'll be on Blue Sky.

Speaker 1:

I'm on LinkedIn. I love LinkedIn because LinkedIn if you want to be professional, deal with adults and you might have left-wing, right-wingers, but it's definitely more balanced. It's not hyperbolic or you know, or you have to draw a code, so I like that part. It's more business, professional-oriented. Would I have oriented and would I have an instagram? Yeah, yeah, I have instagram. Um, you get probably. I'm just gonna post reels, though I'll put probably the more interesting reels. Okay, yep, that's gonna be in the future. Definitely some instagram and get blue sky. Try, let's see how how I do there, because I'm just looking for, but I'm definitely ticking down twitter. And if you want to say because I don't like elon musk, I've been critical of Elon Musk, yeah, I mean, that's not the main reason. I'm just I'm really focused on engagement and I'll say Parsha's rebrand I think it was Twitter.

Speaker 1:

I was definitely getting better engagement, but something changed there and maybe they think I don't know, I don't know, they probably don't vibe with me. That's fine, that's fine. Um, I get the message. So just letting you know what our social media plans for that. Bye-bye twitter, hello, instagram and blue sky one down. We're gonna add two more, so it's gonna be a net positive, I hope. Okay, so that's all I got for you. So, once you complete this audio or visual journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon or night.

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