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Politically High-Tech
295- Climate Action Through Human Connection with Jeffrey Hardy
Jeffrey Hardy shares his concept of human evolution and how caring for peace provides a framework for addressing climate change and global challenges. His approach focuses on practical, human-centered solutions rather than dramatic rhetoric.
• The first human evolution lasted from 2.5 million years ago until the mid-1950s or 1960s, when humanity conquered nature through mutually assured destruction
• We're currently in a "suspended human evolution" where we must plan our second evolution through pre-planning discussions and collaborative approaches
• Care for Peace Foundation established community health centers in rural Nigeria and Myanmar, demonstrating how healthcare can create both social and environmental healing
• Hospital planning requires managing diverse opinions and practicing "failure avoidance" to create successful outcomes
• Climate activism needs to shift from doom-laden messages to practical, positive approaches that connect with human concerns
• The shift from "killing for peace" to "caring for peace" represents the fundamental change needed for humanity's future
• Global environmental issues like air pollution cross borders and require international cooperation, not just national solutions
Check out Jeffrey Hardy's book "To Care for Peace" at careforpeace.com.
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all right, welcome everyone to. Politically, I take with your host, elias. I have a new newcomer here. Yes, I've been having a lot of newcomers, which is good, because I was a little. Yes, sir, I don't want to rely too much on reoccurring guests. They're great and everything. Some of them are, um, but you know, I want to bring in some new perspective, fresh perspective perspectives, because, look, this one thing about this podcast, this is not to support the left and the right, and you know some of my positions, some things I lean more to the right, like fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 1:Some of the republicans used to have some decent credentials on some of the state ones do, but in the in congress, they got no credibility when it comes to fiscal conservatism. That's dead, that's they, they, they throw that out just to shut their agenda. I mean, you already know the so-called big, beautiful bill. I mean one of the largest examples. Yeah, I mean only libertarian conservatives and a few others were just against it. A lot of them there's a woman say, yeah, okay, vote for I'm gonna get everything. I want more ice, more, oh, cut, cut on snap and all of that good stuff. Yeah, they'll could, yeah, they'll conserve a conservative when it was convenient they. They cut off benefits.
Speaker 1:But my criticism and I've been pretty critical of this bill cut off the overspending of the military. I'm not saying shrink military, because there is a big bloat there. They could have at least saved billions, maybe close to a trillion dollars. It's just these middle people in the bureaucracy. I'm not talking about quality or strength in the military. I believe in strong military, but the money we spend on military is crazy. If you want to be at least holistically cut across, make a bunch of financial cuts, I'm for it. But the problem is it's only targeted certain people and they're not going to take its effect until 2027. So brace yourselves for a lot of these cuts, but the one that's going to take effect more immediately is more like the ice. You know the ice. You know ice got bigger budget and and uh, I and that process of gathering.
Speaker 1:Both you know not legal migrants and us citizens have been caught in the mix, treating even well, both of them very harshly, ok, and there's a lot of examples. It's not an anecdotal, it's not a one off. There's many examples of this, about how US citizens being detained by ICE being treated as if they don't got any papers. I mean, it's very bad enough that the migrants are getting this the ones are not legal, but also US citizens and those who tend to disagree gets the roundup.
Speaker 1:You know the Dems calling him fascist is looking more and more true. I will be careful of that. Republicans, you know they call you fascist or fascist and a lot of people shrug that off. But keep acting this radical, this extreme. You're making those critics more correct. Just pointing that out there, and this is coming from someone who is not the biggest hater of trump.
Speaker 1:Also, my support either. I didn't vote for. I didn't vote for either candidate 20 25. Just say whatever we got, we got. I'm just gonna adapt accordingly. All right, but, um, based on what these guys were doing, it's been more like far right, crazy, crazy government. To me it's too right wing. For me it's uh, uh, like it was more a little bit to the center people, can we try to do that? Bring the best of both the left and the right. That's what I really want. That's why my logo is purple, not red or blue. Okay, you know red is my personal favorite color. Don't call me Republican just because red is my favorite color. Okay, personal color, not political color, but my political color is really purple because I it depends on the issues.
Speaker 1:Like, we're going to talk more about climate change here and I definitely lean left on that issue, generally speaking, because, look we, we just need to take care of where we need to take care where we live, not, you know, defecate. It took a lot of say out of me. I'll say very quickly ruin where we live, right, we should take care where we live, right, where we breathe, where we interact. I mean, to me that's the most sensible way of saying it without even sounding like a partisan hack oh, the world is going to blow up. I'm talking about the world. We don't take care of the earth. I'm not going to do that because I know that extreme rhetoric has been tried and has fallen fallen deaf ears.
Speaker 1:I don't blame people for being cynical. Oh, what's this next climate act that's going to say is going to end by next year? Whoop-de-doo. I can't wait for that to happen. No, but you know there is climate change happening. There's been patterns of irregularity. New York has been very, very hot. I think correct me if I'm wrong I'm going to go out of a limb I think California has been more chill than usual. I think some of the forecasts. So that's your example of climate change right there apocalyptic, but it does come in phases, you know, and yeah, and we and we have to do better.
Speaker 1:Come on, do you want clean air or you want to keep I don't know smelling feces and smoke and you know god knows what else. Do you want? That? I mean, I'm just asking for the practical point of view, not the. I'm not gonna talk political because that turns people off. I, I understand that. So that's what I want to say.
Speaker 1:But I have a guest. He was gonna give us profound insights, so I'm gonna cut off my yammering. Let's introduce a guest here. Let's welcome jeffrey hardy here and he I mean, he actually does the action of you. You know, care for those, and I'm only surprised if climate change has climate change, excuse me, has affected the villages you provide care for, assisted them, because it's either too arid, too dry, or just the fact that they don't have enough basic resources water, clothes, shelter, food, that kind of thing. I mean, most Americans can wrap our head around that because we haven't been that poor, at least most Americans. So I don't know what it is. So let's start with a very basic question what do you want the listeners and viewers to know about you?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you, Elias. Very nice intro. I think that the most difficult thing since you mentioned climate change is that you know we aren't going to be able to change the client or attain sustainability unless we stand back and look at humanity. And when I say looking at humanity, I mean we need to not look at the Holocene or the Anthropocene or any of these geologic related words. We need to look at just humanity, geologic-related words, we need to look at just humanity, and that means two and a half million years ago, when it kind of began. That's when humans and monkeys were sticking sticks in the holes and sucking off the tiny little ants that came out of the sticks. That's two and a half million years ago to today. And then what's going to happen from now on? So I've broken down human development into three stages, and this is so that we don't get bogged down like all these different anthropocenes and these different eras and everything City only no dogs, cats, giraffes or elephants, okay, and we're talking about humanity.
Speaker 2:So from 2.5 million years to about mid-50s, 60s in the last millennium, that is when the first human evolution occurred. It ended around the middle of the 50s and sometime between 50s and 60s, because that's when mutually assured destruction hit. That's when we realized we could conquer the world. That's when nature had to step aside for us. We had conquered nature, and that's what I call the end of the first human evolution. Now, where are we now? We are in what I call the suspended human evolution and we have a lot of the detritus of the first human evolution that we're dealing with. In some ways, the first human evolution is not dead. It's rotting, and all you have to do is look at all the wars that's going on and, frankly, what's going on in Sudan and the whole Sahel and Africa? I mean, there's a mess out there and we're rotting. The human species is not recognizing what happened up until that point in the mid-'60s, to where we are now, which is the suspended period where we need to realize what's happening.
Speaker 2:Now. What do we do? Well, I'm a planner and I plan to healthcare facilities, systems, services for about 50 years. I know I don't look that old, but at any rate I did, and I did it all over the world, not just in the United States, but all over the world, with different governments, with Nigeria, the government of Myanmar, Kenya, many, many different countries as well, and I think that the key is we need to plan the second human evolution. And that's where we're at right now with the suspended human evolution. We're flopping around, we don't know what to do. You know, there's some people who just think we need to wait for status quo to change. Maybe the world change for us, but that's not going to happen. I think we have to be planning. I'm a planner. I planned all over the world with different people from different races, different tribes, ethnicities. You name it.
Speaker 2:I had people around my table that were from so many different walks of life, and yet we all spoke English and we all knew health care. We all knew the language of design and the language of planning. So what I'm talking about is not difficult, but it has to be done, and we're not doing it. You can't look at the United Nations and assume that they're going to do a good job in planning the second human evolution. Now you're going to say what is the second evolution? Of course, that's my question too. What is it? Because we have to start a process. Here's the process. The process begins with pre-planning. You know what pre-planning is, elias? You are doing pre-planning. That's pre-planning. It's talking, it's discussing, it's throwing out ideas, talking about what it is that needs to be done, what is happening in the world right now, what's working, what isn't working, what would we do better if we could do it again? What would we not do if we did it again? You know, what kind of leadership do we need? Oh, I like these leaders. I don't like these leaders, but here was a good leader. But we need to follow that leader's, not just his ideas, but the way he was. I mean, there's a lot that you, elias, can be doing right now to help this pre-planning process, because we're not ready to plan the second human evolution.
Speaker 2:We need to talk about it, we need to know oh, that was the first human evolution, but how do you define the first human evolution? Well, I would say, how about killing for peace? That was one of the things that we did. We killed for peace. The only way we got peace was if we killed enough people on the other side that whoever was left and enjoyed the spoils would be able to survive. That's the first human evolution. You can extrapolate that and say well, it wasn't just killing for peace, it was business, and whatever you want to do to make sure that you succeed and the other guys fail, I mean, that's the first human abolition.
Speaker 2:Now, what is the term that we could use to be able to be thinking about something that is opposite of killing for peace? And here's the term the current term is on the front cover of my book to care for peace, not kill for peace. To care for peace. And I learned what caring for peace means because it was something that happened in my heart when I was in Hospital Corbin and the Coast Guard Reserves, because I took care of guys all the time who came back from Vietnam and they were sick, snake bites, arms blown off, you name it. But the bottom line is I took care of them and I had a feeling at the end of the day and during the care process oh peace.
Speaker 2:It wasn't rocket science, it was just peace, that's it. And so I thought I figured something out. And then I ended up working in hospitals all over the world and guess what? Every nurse out there knows what care for peace means Active care for dynamic peace. That's the basis that we need to use to go towards the second human evolution. And if we want to bring people into the fore and into this discussion, this pre-planning discussion, we need to begin with an agreement that we will care for peace and we will bring our own care for peace.
Speaker 2:It's right here inside of our own hearts, and how we are going to do that, and with whom are we going to do that, to do that, and with whom are we going to do that, and what is the ultimate?
Speaker 1:goal, which is to take care of peace once we get it. Wow, listeners and viewers, I really hope you're paying attention here, because this is not, no, you know, typical political talking points. Trust me, they disgust me too, because you just want to throw a bunch of words, make yourself sound smart or more sophisticated really are, even though, let's be frank, some of those speakers aren't quite idiotic, just being honest, because if you really want to talk to people, that's one example right there. He led by example. Well, he continues to lead by example. Let me just rephrase that he's done the. He's done the work. He's's passionate, using mostly simple terms. I'm sure most of you know what evolution is, because I know my listeners and viewers are smart. He's not using political jargon. You know greenhouse gases. He's talking about humans. Human-centered, yeah, because that's the key. We just think climate change is some polar bear in an ice cap, far, far away. Most humans don't give a rat's behind about that. That's too distant. He's going for, I would say, very simple, very human centered, and this has got my attention.
Speaker 2:Well, let me share, I like this yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, let me share with you something this whole idea of care for peace. When I was in Nigeria, working with the Nigerian governor of River State, Amici Rotimi, we were talking about, instead of building a hospital in the middle of Port Harcourt, which was a highly congested, traffic-laden town. I mean, it was impossible. You couldn't go 20 feet in an hour. And I just said, instead of that, why don't we go to the periphery of the town and put a whole bunch of little health clinics and let's have those health clinics, operated by doctors and nurses and staff who were multi-ethnic people who were not Christian Muslims, Christians and Muslims and people from the different tribes, to come on in and let's use that as an example of what it means to care for peace? And that idea was in 2008. 2009,. I got called by the Myanmar government saying that they wanted help building a hospital. I went on over there and found out they didn't need a hospital. What they needed was a lot of rural health, just like Nigeria. And I said, well, why don't we start a foundation with another organization in Myanmar? And we did. It was the Care for Peace Foundation, and what we ended up doing is building a prototype community development and health center in a rural prototype community development and health center in a rural, deep, rural Myanmar. I mean, it took us so damn long to get there from San Francisco. We could have gone, we could have walked around the globe to find this place, but we did it and it was a prototype. We've got 22 more since we did the prototype.
Speaker 2:But Care for Peace was built on a premise that if you care for the people in a country by giving them education and health infrastructure, community development, then guess what? Both the people in the country and the government will have peace. I mean, it was like quid pro quo care for peace and that kind of crept up on me because my first thought was emotional, you know spiritual it's my feeling of care for the peace that I have, the feeling that I have. But it ended up becoming a quid pro quo in Myanmar for Aung San Suu Kyi and her government. So we've really been putting our thoughts and what it is that we believe in to what we know that we can do and that's that we need to do to deal with today's problems in the world. What do we need to do to include everybody in the world, Because none of these individual countries' problems are something that the other countries shouldn't be interested in, Because, for instance, when we were in Myanmar, we were getting a whole bunch of dirty smoke from India.
Speaker 2:I mean the smoke from Indian fires, all those fires that people were using, was coming across the Bay of Bengal, it was hitting Bangladesh, it was hitting us, it got as far up as China and it even got as far as Laos and Cambodia. I mean these problems that wasn't a problem that India should be responsible for. It's a problem that the world needs to be dealing with, and so during our pre-planning, thinking, talking, discussions, we need to be thinking about how we're going to pull the whole world together to be able to deal with these problems and the most important plan second human evolution.
Speaker 1:So let me see if I understand especially the second human evolution. That's more interesting than that. We already got the clearly defined first human evolution, which that's boring. I don't want to talk about that as much. The clearly defined first um human evolution uh, which that's boring. I don't want to talk about that as much. You already defined it really well, unless I don't know you crazy commenters. You know, go ahead if you want to comment on that. I'm not going to entertain that. You want to. You want to add something to the first human evolution? Uh, you think jeff is wrong? You think the host is crazy? Feel free to express that. I don't care. I'm the second human evolution. Can it be at least one version of it? Right, let's go with the good. Let me still two basic versions, and I'm going to use childish examples the good and the bad one.
Speaker 1:The good second human evolution we are, you know, caring for peace. We of course reduce, you know, the emissions and all that stuff, and the world is more cooperative on taking care of the environment, of course, and of course with your expertise, not just touching these developing nations and they were able to get the act, but you helped them get rural areas, hospitals or clinics or huts where everyone call them just to get the better care, which I like. That, because you don't want to put everything in the condensed, like nigeria is a good example you want to just put more things in the very crowded area. It makes sense to put them as a little at the periphery, probably somewhere not the outskirts are probably close to it, that's near the city, but it's not where it's very congested. I said, oh yeah, that's good because, yeah, if you could, if you can't cross a block, you know, without waiting 20 minutes, because everybody's just all over the place, I mean people could just die right there, you know. Because yeah. So we got to think about efficiency and placement and I love that. It's our human, human sensor. Yeah, the trees and the animals and all that are important, but the thing thing is, the human is the biggest variable. I think we are the biggest variable because ever since, I think, we have been on Earth, we have done some great and we've done a heck of a lot of damage too. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1:Then Myanmar, the Aung San Suu Kyi situation. That's when I first started hearing about Myanmar. That's very true. I think the military still doesn't control the government as of today. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Yeah, I mean, look he's doing work on these developing nations, but look, he's making positive change in there.
Speaker 1:I won't be surprised if America is going to be harder because, you know, we got the individualism Everybody's their own little world. There's government, bureaucracies and zoning laws and crazy gobbledygook. You guys, I won't be surprised that those developing nations are easier to make, those changed in, uh, the developed nation like the united states, oh, and of course, politics, politics. As of right now, they don't really care about the environment. If you had like a joel biden, he would at least put minimal effort to it, right, or so actually, no, to be fair, he, he put some effort into it. I can't say that. Let me just let me reframe that because I think he put some effort. I'm sure the progressives will want triple the action that he's done, but he's done something, at least compared to the current leader, that he's just cares about the economy, making the rich richer. And you know climate. You know climate change is not his big priority, that's just. You know, for any of those who are not politically initiated, that's phenomenal work.
Speaker 1:So this is not, you know an american issue. It's a world issue. It's correct. That's another. That's another thing I had to keep in mind. Like you already mentioned, I'm sure he's done. You know more countries Nigeria and Myanmar. Okay, and I mean, what inspired you to do this? You could have just took the easy way out. Forget those small countries. You could have taken the easy way out. What inspired you to do this work?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, I helped some of the United States' number one corporations like Columbia, hca, kaiser Foundation International, at the very top level in planning and also management engineering, trying to make their facilities more streamlined, and I was well known by a whole lot of these big organizations for the way I shuffled things around and made the hospitals more efficient, and because of that efficiency I ended up involved in planning and designing new hospitals, or remodeled hospitals, or new patient towers, you name it. So that's what I was doing. And then I had my own company. I sold it and then after that I'm saying this is ridiculous. Why am I helping all these rich people in this wonderful, wonderful, rich country, the United States? Why don't I try to figure out how I can help people in other countries? And I had already done it with Kaiser Foundation International, kfi, kaiser Foundation International sent my wife, jennifer and I to Curacao, the Netherlands Antilles for about a year, bahrain and the Persian Gulf for a year.
Speaker 2:We worked up and down the Caribbean, and so I was very used to accustomed to working with people from other countries and not just enjoying it, but relishing the fact that the people were such wonderful people and they wanted to learn this stuff that we knew it was phenomenal. I just wanted to do that. It's nice to go to these fancy hotels, that they put me up in America and have these fancy dinners and go to the golf games and things like that. But there's nothing, nothing more rewarding to my feeling of caring for peace than to work with people outside the country who really want to be part of that equation between care for peace and through care we can attain peace. It's our moniker, it's what we say, and so it began in the United States with wonderful people in these Catholic Healthcare, west Allegheny, I mean I can think of a whole bunch of different organizations the Adventist Health System, sunbelt, which was a deep south organization, and just incredible people. How could I better that experience? And I realized I couldn't better it. I could share it.
Speaker 1:Hmm, uh, the episode. I for some reason I had a feeling that was the answer, but I'm happy I get to share with you. Listeners and viewers could have kept that to myself, but he was gonna blur it out somehow, anyways at some point. Yeah, well, so you know I'm not, I'm not gonna gatekeep any of that, but I, I was not finished on the whole. Well, me, I got to propose second human evolution, the one that we start turning this whole thing around.
Speaker 1:You know, care for peace. I think that's one of your. That's the good second evolution or the bad one. We damage the earth so much that we go straight to the third evolution, death. Yeah, you know what that one. So what's the third evolution after that? A thriving, thriving, cooperative world. That climate change is a thing of the past, at least one could hope for.
Speaker 1:I probably go over, I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but I, if I'm going to just take a stab on the second and, I think, the third evolution, I'm using that as more of the outcome of the second about how quick that's going to be. It took us long without first evolution. Maybe second evolution could start faster. I don't know. I mean, I think there's some possibilities. You know, if you talk to me about this 15 years ago I would have said, oh, leave me alone, let the world burn for all I care.
Speaker 1:But based on these advancements, I think I could see some good. You know, not just with um, ai. You know, the good of ai could help us um, analyze things and, you know, cut through some bias because, don't get me wrong, I guess they brought a good point. We sometimes we do transfer our human biases, but we do a lot of data sets and all that. I think that can reduce the influence of human bias and come up with new ideas. I mean, think of it like that. I mean, and the same about healthcare too. You probably come up with better treatments and more and better yet cures for diseases and cheap, massive economic scale, right.
Speaker 1:But there is the human will, right, that's that big variable. It's that human will, that just that everything is the human will is the biggest variable. We either could just I don't't know obliterate for peace. You know, with this, with his old nuke world, all that we we don't want that, we want his book, show that book again. Care for peace. We want that one, not obliterate for peace. So you know I'm just giving two probably supremely dramatic, overly simplistic examples. But either option is viable, I would say but we want the former, not the latter.
Speaker 2:Okay, we want the good, so we want to care for peace, yeah and I would add to that, and that is that the whole process that we're talking about really has to be positive. I think that we have to decide that we're going to look forward to doing this Now. One of the podcasters about six months ago was more interested in talking about the human evolution ending and the extinction the human extinction, the Anthropocene extinction there's all sorts of definitions of this thing, but I just said, you know I'm more next step oriented and the next step has got to be a big step. But you don't just take a big step when it comes to planning. You have to plan the planning process. You have to know what your approach to the planning process is, and that's where pre-planning comes in. It's where you come in, elias, and that's where pre-planning comes in. It's where you come in, elias. And that's why we need to have a positive attitude, because it's going to be exhausting, it's going to be hard enough without being positive. We need to be able to bend an elbow together. We need to be able to run the marathon together. We need to be able to celebrate and laugh together, because it's going to take a lot of celebration and laughter.
Speaker 2:Very interesting, when I design a new hospital. I'm just a facilitator. When I say I design, okay, I'm not an architect, I'm not a doctor, I am a facilitator of the planning process. That's the bottom line. And when I do that, I make friends right away and I make sure that everybody is friends throughout the entire process, because planning a brand new half billion dollar hospital healthcare center, it takes at least two and a half years.
Speaker 2:So the key is got to have parties. You got to have fun together and it really really is important to have people who are positive. And the wonderful thing that has happened in most of the cases that I've had is and there's a couple of grumps who come in, okay, I'll help you out. You know, some radiologist comes in, says, hey, you gotta design my radiology the way I want it. You can't design it the way you want it because I'm a radiologist and you're not, and and so guess what? I made friends with this guy and I got him on our side to talk and laugh and everything, and he ended up having his staff throw the party for us. I think that was the January party. So you really have to plan on helping everybody keep their positive nature and it's not that hard, it's great.
Speaker 1:Listen. As a viewer, I hope you catch something very different. When political channels, mainstream channels, talk about climate activists, climate change is always hyperbolic, very dramatic, very negative. He's giving something very different, very humane, organic. And look, he's not high, he's not on drugs, he's done the work, he's been there, okay. And look, he's not high, he's not on drugs, he's done the work, he's, he's been there, okay. So he's not just talking, his high chair, just acting like he's done all the work or just sit, stare and laugh. No, he's, he's. He's on the ground, okay.
Speaker 1:And he could have chose to be a grump. Um, you know, even you convert a grump to a happy person, you know. You know at least with we don't relationship with on jeffrey, I think he's a grump to a happy person, you know, you know at least what we don't relationship with. On jeffrey, I think he's a grump to everybody else, maybe too much. That radiology exposure, I don't know that could be grumpy, but just go, I was gonna keep it like that. I could be a, I could be a bit of a smart alec, but, um, no, but that's that. But let's focus on accomplishment here. See, things can be done, don't and I'm gonna bash social media, because this is another one that really drives me crazy. Everything has to be overly dramatic. They scream at the top of their lungs that the world's gonna end. We got enough of that, especially you stupid young activists. Stop with the drama. Stop with the drama. Go to broadway if you want to do that, or be a movie star if you want to do that kind of stuff Fine, there's some value there. But when you're being a climate activist and all the screaming and yelling and even burning stuff, some of you okay, that's very hypocritical to your mission. I'm going to talk like you're cool kids. Make it make sense. It's not adding up Me. I like this. This is what I like.
Speaker 1:You see, if I probably would have met him a long time ago, I probably would have been to left even sooner, but I had to take hands on experience for me to be siding with the left with a climate change issue. Beautiful gardens, something simple as that, clean air during a pandemic. I was hoping to traffic it. People would come back. Oh, I enjoy that clean air during a pandemic. I'm not going to lie, I'm very, very selfish, but that air was so much cleaner, oh, my goodness, I forgot what clean air smells like as a native New Yorker.
Speaker 1:You know, this is my anecdotal example, but I guess the left got a point there. And look, I'm not. I'm not a hardcore except for my teenage years. So, yeah, dig up on that. I was definitely. I was very far right, anarchist, right Even as I didn't care.
Speaker 1:The earth even blew up. I said, well, you and my misery, so do do that, but thank goodness I'm here, thank goodness, so you have this conversation reason. I'm saying all this because you could achieve things by being productive. So this is a mainstream media, social medias and and even the politicians a lot of y'all disgust me on this because you use this doom and gloom. Oh, it's gonna end by next year, but you know how many times we push that goalposts. It based on my memory and I could be wrong we said 1970 is gonna be the end. Look we in 2025. You know all of this and I'm not saying the earth is not pristine condition. It's not, you know, you got a point there. It's not. And even though I think we made some progress, you know, but I, but I think we need to keep doing it because if we slack off, we will definitely fall back hard, and I will, and I would say I would rather settle with incremental progress than none at all, and perfection could be the enemy of the good.
Speaker 1:So, even with little steps, yeah, more cardboard, use more cardboard. There's less plastic bags. I'm not gonna to lie, it annoyed me Using tote bags. I still don't like it, by the way, I still tote, but you get used to it. I missed the plastic bag thing, especially when it was free. Now get to the economic part of it. You know you pay like extra five cents, 10 cents, 20 cents, depending what store you're in.
Speaker 1:The thing is we all could be contributing. I know some of you could be grumpy Sometimes. I could be, especially on Fight Cam doing a whole bunch of stuff. But you know what? They got DoorDash, they got delivery services. So you don't always have to do that either. It's going to cost you money. So make sure you keep your wallet fat, at least digitally or physically. So you make sure you keep it 40 net. So there's ways around it. Adaptation takes time, sometimes it's painful, but we humans we can do it right. Yeah, we definitely can, and we got to keep going in the right direction. Me.
Speaker 1:I like this messaging here. I wish I would have heard this, I'll say, 15, 20 years ago, I would have been one, I would have easily been won over. Not this end of the world, you know, polar bear, ice cap, nonsense that those people just feel sorry for two seconds. About time they change the channel, they forget it. I think that's why climate change messaging has been a major flop.
Speaker 1:And I'm just being critical and honest because I'm sure Jeff could agree with most of what I'm saying. Because, look, I mean people on the left yeah, there, that's preaching to the choir. So people on the right, they may challenge you and be, you know, antagonistic, and I mean some will agree, but they will change the wording to me Conservation, I Rain back. And I mean some will agree, but they will change the wording to you mean conservation, right, rain back, you know, and then they'll put their, then they'll try to, you know, straw man, you to their thinking, you know. And that's just some examples here. I'm trying to figure out left and right here, but it's just people, people, people. We need to take care, we need to really care for this environment. We've got to be serious about it and we got to the air like you're talking about you know, during the pandemic, when you know, all of a sudden you had great clear air.
Speaker 2:But the thing is, those are the things that remind us of what's important to us, but there are things that are important to other people in the world that are not the same thing. There's a lot, and the most important thing that we can do right now, instead of just focusing on the things that are irritating us, is to back up. Back up, and backing up means looking at humanity, and that's where you look at the three stages of human development, of human evolution, and you say, okay, what are the three stages and why are we even talking about this? And try to not get too darn close to anything, including religious or political. Don't forget the religious and political. Just look at humans and what they do and start with that discussion.
Speaker 2:What we've done yes, we've destroyed a lot. I was looking at the Agra and all the pyramids and what we have done. That is absolutely incredible. And people are going and taking a look at these beautiful monuments to our architectural feats but that's good, our architectural feats, but that's good. And we need to be looking at all the other things that we have done. That is good too, in this destruction discussion, about destruction and what we have destroyed. But let's look at all the good stuff too and make sure that our conversations about the human evolution process is balanced. Don't just look at the stuff that we think is bad and you know no naysaying stuff. Ah, we can't do that. We've already ruined ourselves. Ah, you know, being positive means looking at everything from a rational standpoint and an emotional standpoint. That's fine too. You can bring them both in there.
Speaker 2:I'm not denying the fact that we should bring our heart in here too. We do. We need to. We need to bring our beliefs, our heart, and one of the last things I'll say is that a lot of people I talk with say well, aren't you going to run up against the Muslims or aren't you going to run against Christians or whatever? I say no, we need to bring them into this discussion. This needs to be a global discussion, and look at how long it took our religions to get where they are today. It's incredible.
Speaker 2:I am such a Pope Francis believer that I'm not a Catholic. But when he came out, right in the beginning, when he first became the pope, and his first place he went to was an island between Sicily and Tunisia, where a whole bunch of migrants were stranded, you know, and he went there to understand, not to proselytize. He went there to understand humanity. Thank you, you know. That's what I mean by being positive. You know, take your spirit and bring it to the discussion. Bring it to our discussion. And, elias, this is where you're in charge. You're in the driver's seat yep, and you know what.
Speaker 1:I don't mind being in charge of this because, look, I already know my audience. I know the naysayers. I bring them up not to be. Well, you can say I can be difficult, I really don't care what you think. But I'm also about reality too. You want to. You want, if you want, sunshines and rainbows.
Speaker 1:This is not the podcast for you, but it does got positive beats and sometimes some negative beats. Like I said, this is not a safe space kind of podcast. This is not a left-wing, right-wing echo chamber. I invite any political or even different issues. This is more like an issue type. It's not as partisan, which I actually do enjoy.
Speaker 1:This is more human, global, centric and it's collaborative too, if you think about it, and it's, most importantly, solving problems. This is a problem. A lot of these climate. I call them whacktivists. All of them just know how to scream and yell fine protest. I'm not against that, but come up with solutions. See, here he's. He has a hands-on experience. He's providing solutions, not just to america, which I know he did. But I wasn't as interested as that because, like I already figured, all right, I create a play imagination how that can be figured out. I'm more interested in the you know that, so you know the developing nations. I think nigeria's economy is getting better um, let's just put that out there and Myanmar, even though they got political government instability right now, but despite that you was able to solve problems. So you didn't bypass the political chaos because you could have been shot and killed by the military. I've avoided that gunshot that you think a lot of us Americans will just panic and faint.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of what we did was failure avoidance. For instance, when I went to Myanmar the first time, I made sure that one of the first people that I met was with Derek Mitchell, who was, at that time, the first ambassador during this period of time when the doors of democracy were opening thanks to Aung San Suu Kyi, and then the president's office assigned a medical doctor to us who ended up being head of our in-country foundation. So failure avoidance is so important. In all these discussions, we have to be thinking about, well, what will go wrong, what could go wrong, and discussions themselves have failures when people bring their opinions and instead of a discussion, it's just a war of opinions. That doesn't work. Part of my job as a planner was, and is, the process of getting everybody to understand that we're talking about an issue, which is something that we put in the middle of the table, and then we look at it from all different sides and someone will say, well, this is something about the issue and someone will say something else about it. But opinions are not allowed in these discussions. You have to be able to talk about an issue, and just that sounds really simple. It isn't simple, because most of the people who come bring their opinions. I mean, I was designing a hospital in Mayfield Kentucky.
Speaker 2:Okay, a lady from the corporate Nashville came on up and said what's this you have here? You're telling the architects that they need to have unisex bathrooms. What are you from California or something? And that was Mayfield Kentucky. And I said, yes, I am from California, and the reason why we try to do things fair is because women are always the ones that were hanging out outside the bathrooms trying to get in, because we don't give them enough stalls, so we need to have more.
Speaker 2:And well, this woman man, she was incensed Like what are you talking about? We aren't going to have it. No, this woman man, she was incensed Like what are you talking? We aren't going to have it. No, no, we're not going to have you. Next subject that's an opinion, and that was one of the many opinions I had to work with. So I learned how to work with people who had opinions like that, because I realized that I'm in trouble if I don't take them aside and have a long conversation before we have a meeting where they open their mouths and say something stupid failure avoidance I would have hubby, of course, me as a fair-minded moderate, I was like, yeah, there's a practical sense.
Speaker 1:I think unisex bathrooms are a great idea, especially if you want to do no separate men and women's bath. I'm sure the plumbing would have been a lot more expensive. You want to take up more space, right, I mean you use things more efficient, that's right. I'm just thinking from the pragmatic perspective. But you know, that's just me.
Speaker 1:But her, she's come with her, I would say, right-wing opinions about you know what the hell is this unisex? It's California, commie crap. It's not always communist, don't get me wrong. I disagree. California is, with their ridiculous taxes and all that, but the bathroom thing is not one of them. I think it's more practical, especially now I'm going to wear my support for small business hat. Small business cannot afford to have a large men and women's bathroom. A small unisex bathroom is what's practical. So that's why you know I personally get it. Okay, now I'm shoving my opinion in support, support what you're saying. Well, that's the irony of it. But but yeah, yeah, you're gonna deal with strong opposing opinions, like that lovely lady from kentucky and that sounds like a normal right-wing corporate person to me and all especially people like that. I would say more further to the right, because at least that's a right it'll kind of keep their mouth shut. They got that sense. The strong right is they'll just.
Speaker 2:They will shoot and ask questions later, right now elias, I think it's probably time for us to wrap this up. How would you like to wrap this up? Because I have a feeling you and I could talk for the next nine hours.
Speaker 1:Before I get to that wrap up, I want to emphasize this as a few. You're going to deal with people who are going to be difficult when you're trying to achieve something grand grand, you know, as if trying to solve a climate change issue globally, and well, this one's actually domestically, but uh well, us is part of the world. You're gonna deal with people with radically different opinions. Some are gonna be boisterous about it and proud, and some are might be subtle, maybe talk to your size. So why are you proposing this idea? You haven't learned to deal with that? You can't just have an echo chamber and say, oh yes, I agree to everything. It's not realistic. Everyone's coming in with different opinions, different expertise, or at least different expertise is interesting, it's true. And then? So this is why this is important. I mean, yeah, I could talk for a while, and the good part is, you already answered all my hidden questions. You already answered like two, three of them. Sometimes we responses, yeah, now I'm officially ready to wrap it. So let's do this shameless bug and show that book again and talk about it. Look to care for peace, and if you don't know, it's a real one. It's a nice white book. It has like a little circular picture, has some. I love the contrasting colors with the red and orange leaves and the top of yellow ones, and it has some of the blue green ones on the side. It's a, it's a white book. I mean, when I have him probably show it again once we do, I'll wrap up um, and he has multiple different sites and, trust me, he's not always this. I might even call you. This is going to sound cringe to some of you. It's going to age me a little bit. You've been warned. The real life, captain Planet. Okay, there you go, you've been warned. So there is careforpeacecom Very simple, I'm sure you can spell all is care for peacecom very simple, I'm sure you could spell all that. Or peacecom. It's for. You know the word for, not number four, if you know. And then he also got this is one of the few here. I don't think he don't got that much social media, but I could be wrong again because I'm being lazy. And then there is hardy worth wow, look at that plane. A nice play on his last name. This is about more health care opinions. It's more like a blog, you know. So that's, that's this other site. And then the other one is. This is more fun and musical. One other you got the care for peace song.
Speaker 1:Um, papa hardy. You know papa, p-a-a-p-a, come on, even the Spanish. You know that. You know Papacito, you know all that good stuff you know. So he has three sites. Check them out. If you want the fun musical one, you go to papahardycom.
Speaker 2:Anything else you want to share I would only say that in closing, that the first sentence in the book really says it all. And here is what that first sentence is To care for peace may not be the secret of life, but it is as close to the secret of living there is. I'll say it again To care for peace may not be the secret of life, but it is as close to the secret of living there is.
Speaker 1:This is my first and last serious comment section activity. What does that statement mean to you? That statement? That's the very first sentence of his book. It's spoiler free. Yeah, you got to get it if you want to read everything. You're not getting a freebie, all right.
Speaker 1:So what does that mean to you? This is a serious question. I don't like to do that. You're joking once. Make fun of me. You think I'm crazy. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1:I have enough self-confidence to deal with that. I get some praise and some. That's part that comes with the territory. You have lovers and haters. I mean, when you do good work, you're gonna have opposition. You gotta learn to deal with the opposition. That's what's key. That's what separates the greats from I'm gonna use a nice word from the faint of heart. You know the soft, the soft people, and you gotta have some thick skin in the game, and I have. We gotta have mental fortitude. In this kind of game. Doesn't matter what you're doing, not just podcasting. Podcast is like compared to, you know, solving climate change. That's a much, much monumental task, but a podcast could serve as one part of it. It's more of a microcosm really. So I enjoy podcasting more it. I enjoy this more. I'm not sure going to countries helping out with hospitals. I won't be much use for that. I don't got architectural skills. I can only barely manage a couple of crazy americans with their radically different opinions. Okay, I'm just being pretty good, so I'm fine.
Speaker 1:I'm fine with my little humble pod, okay, so periods is made for the big stuff. This has been a great, great, great conversation. That's gonna easily stretched out if I wanted to, and for two, two, three hours, but I'm not trying to compete with Rogan here. You know Rogan is losing his, his kingship of the podcast. My this, my this is coming up, and I know why Because the anti-Trump sentiment let's be real brief about this has been growing more and more and, to be honest, some of it is Trump's fault with his craziness.
Speaker 1:All right, this is, you know, the first, the first term. I was more, yeah, some of them are haters for stupid reasons. Some got good points. I was more so. But this one here, a lot of his lava, he, he, he drew it upon himself this time because, remember, he have people sabotaging him as much. This is the beginning of his crazy. Second term is definitely more chaotic than the first one. Okay, I'm just being brutally honest or I'm not gonna make it super political about me now. Let me just do this wrap of my podcast so you know what to do.
Speaker 1:For those of you who have been my loyal listeners and viewers like, comment, subscribe and then, if you have an extra green, and also, when you give a review, give a review through apple podcast. I don't care about spotify, I really don't. If you give it there, I'll just ignore you because you're not listening. Okay, and give an honest review. What made the episode great or what made the episode bad? I'm just, I'm comfortable. Say bad and give reason. Don't say it's great or or or it's bad. That doesn't help. Let's just be more thoughtful when you give a review. Okay, give an honest review. I want an honest review, even if it might hurt my ego. If my ego was a person it's, it's already been killed thousands of times already it would have been a pile of dead bodies. Yeah, talk about war. Okay, it would have been a lot of it would have a pile of dead bodies. Yeah, talk about war. Okay, it would have been a lot of it would have a pile of dead bodies. Okay.
Speaker 1:And then I'm gonna have I'm gonna expand my social media and have the instagram. I'm not sure about tiktok. I have a link tree at some point and I'll be joining blue sky. I want to see how blue sky is if it's a wacky left. Look, I don't like twitter that much I think twitter is falling apart to me. Is that because of right wing and I just think Elon Musk messed that up? Primarily, I'll see what blue sky is, and blue sky is as wacky as the right wing say. Then they might be right, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I want to. I want to experience that for myself. I just want to listen to different opinions. I like to have a hands on experience. Then I form my opinion after that, in my opinion after that. Ok, so that's what's going to go on with that.
Speaker 1:I've been posting that much on LinkedIn, but I like LinkedIn because it's more professional and you know the partisan is vanilla. Ok, you see, after your left wing, your right wing is more vanilla. It's not hypercharge and just people attack each other. Most people are professional at LinkedIn, so I'll stick to that. A lot of my audience tend to be professional, so I'm going to post more at LinkedIn and, of course, I'm keeping the Facebook, the YouTube and Rumble. Rumble is where you could go crazy with your comments. Remember, if you get censored on YouTube, it's YouTube, not me. I don't really care for that, that much. Ok, I don't really care for the. I don't. I don't believe in censorship, so that will be that's on you. So that will be that's on you, all righty then. So whenever you complete this audio or visual journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon or night you.
