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301- Defending the Defenseless: Guide to Pro-Life Advocacy with Stuart Kellogg
Stuart Kellogg, a retired TV executive turned Christian ministry leader, joins us to discuss his pro-life educational initiative "Students in Action: Building Pro-Life Leaders" and the challenges facing pro-life advocacy in today's political landscape.
• Pro-life positions have become political losers with Republicans retreating from the issue
• Abortion rates have increased since Roe v. Wade was overturned, especially through at-home abortion pills
• 11% of medication abortions result in serious adverse effects, 22 times higher than FDA reporting
• Psychological effects of abortion often manifest decades later rather than immediately
• Pregnancy centers provide holistic support for women beyond the abortion decision
• The Students in Action program teaches worldview, science of life, and engagement techniques
• Community support is crucial for addressing the main reason women seek abortions - lack of support
• Even some atheists take pro-life positions based on scientific understanding of when life begins
• Respectful dialogue and asking clarifying questions can bridge divides on controversial topics
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welcome everyone to politically high tech with your host, elias, for this infotainment. Yes, I do call it that. It has some valuable information and entertainment, and if you don't like it, so be it. Well, I'm going to say the person's name and let's not make any stupid corny jokes that he's related to someone who owns a cereal company Stuart Kellogg. Okay, but I am oh For a surprise. I know your audience likes surprises.
Speaker 2:You like surprises. I didn't tell you ahead of time. It's distant relation, like I say it's. I'm related but not close enough to do me any good about a fifth great uncle going down that side.
Speaker 1:Yeah, directly related oh yeah yeah so you gotta be like number one, number two. Yeah, I have to take three, four, five. Yeah, sorry, who cares?
Speaker 2:yeah, you, just, you might as well not be related, come on I gotta carry that in fact I tell if I could tell you a little story, I'm jumping right in. But uh, my daughter happened to be miss mississippi back in 2003 and she was getting ready to go to atlantic city and we got in touch with the kellogg company and we said, hey, can we get permission? And they allowed us to put her picture on a special case cereal box with the crown and all. So there you go. So that's one way we've used it.
Speaker 1:And you know, I'm not even against it. If I was, you know, related to even something like that. You know, nipple babies, I won't even mind. Look, I'm hating. I'm not even a nipple baby, god. A nipple baby, god. You made a mistake there. No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1:He got a divine purpose, even though I don't understand it half the time. Okay, let me just be serious now. But you know, hey, that's a fun little fact. I mean, we kicked off right away. I don't mind it. You know, we do little surprises, a little off the rails, and then we recover it somehow. That's growth of your hopes. Amen to that. So I hey, you know what that could replace the monologue, and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1:A surprise little fact, yeah, I mean, that monologue thing was just a little filler time, a little introduction. So the thing is, he's not going to be talking about cereal, okay, no, spoiler alert, right? So he's a distant relative to the royal blood of the kellogg. I would have to say, like that, you know what. But you, you know, I mean kellogg's not the most unhealthy cereal. I'll say it's pretty darn good for you. So if you want good breakfast, eat that. There you go. Shameless plug-in, irrelevant shameless plug-in. I do encourage that lot. Let's get to the real stuff. Basic, basic, fundamental question what do you want the listeners and the viewers to know about?
Speaker 2:Well, I know your audience is a great variety, which is one of the things that intrigued me when I reached out. I'm a retired TV guy broadcast guy, was on air and then in management and went to seminary while I was running the station and am involved in Christian ministry since retiring. In my latest project, students in Action, building Pro-Life Leaders. It's about the pro-life movement and it's one of the, if you will, third rails out there Gets a lot of people talking.
Speaker 2:It is Elias. I don't know if you'll agree with me. I call it a political loser and we can see number one you got. About three quarters of American adults believe abortion should be legal at some point, so a vast majority. And we've gone from two parties one as John Stone Street, as the Colson Center puts it so well. We went from a pro-choice, pro-life two-party choice and now it's a pro-abortion, pro-choice two-party choices. The Republican used to be. They're not anymore, they're running from it. So it's a political loser, but I think it's important enough to talk about, because we're talking about the most vulnerable and I think it's important that the young learn about it, which is part of a project that I put together for them to do so.
Speaker 1:Absolutely and I sadly, if it's about the political perspective of being pro-life, I tend to agree and it's, I mean, it's unfortunate. You know, and I think this adds to the American. You know, without the migrants we would have been in decline, we would have been losing people. Without the migrants, Migrants just said at us real quick, they're the only ones that sustaining population. We are below replacement rate.
Speaker 2:That's correct. In America we are below replacement rate, which is very scary.
Speaker 1:That's so. The demographics are are changing, whether you like it or not, and that's a fact. I don't care you lean left or right. These are just hardcore facts and I try to form my opinion based on facts, not the other way around. Have my opinion and have the facts back it up and then reject the facts that contradict it. You know that's echo chambers. You know that? That nonsense. No, no, no, no. And there's times I have to deal with.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm wrong, vacations need to be made and that's part of being human. You don't stay the same, you know, unless I don't know, you want to act like you're. You're 80 but yet you're screaming, trying to scream like a 20 year old child. Okay, you want to keep doing that. I mean I think your vocal cords will fall or fall out at that point. I mean you want to keep staying stagnant or the same? To me, that's nonsense. Evolution is part of the, the human progress. All right, so so you already got to my first, my first um question about pro-life being a political loser. Yeah, and just to add to that, ironically, ever since the Roe v Wade's been overturned, the area says 35% supported it. Sadly, the impacts are now showing it in hardcore data that more abortions have been happening, and some of it I would say it's dangerous without you know the proper clinical supervision and the pills.
Speaker 1:And I have clinical supervision and pills, and I have to just cite this one article I well it's more of a video article by the new york times about this, I'm not on this woman who took the abortion pill. She went through a lot of side effects and insane side effects. You know that. Um, if the abortion was done in the clinic, I mean, I'm sure there are side effects as well, but this one was just, and she was. She felt like it was like a lava boiling inside of her.
Speaker 2:They had an artwork up for that and it was just well, and I'll give credit for the New York Times to write that, because that's not the kind of story they normally write. They're very biased, extremely biased against the pro-life movement. But that's a fact and I'll give you, as you mentioned, it's gone up since Roe was overturned in 2023. We crossed again to one million abortions and it went up again last year 2024. It'll be up again this year and these are documented. And what we have now is do-it-yourself abortions at home and it's a two-pill regimen that you're talking about.
Speaker 2:The Biden administration took away almost every restriction. You used to have to be under a doctor's care. You don't. You're supposed to have a prescription. You can even get it in the mail. I've seen it. People have gotten it in the mail. It comes from India and through the mail and people are doing it at home, from India and through the mail, and people are doing it at home. And here's and I just want to share, since you brought it up and thank you for that there's an ethics and public policy center. It's a group that studied. They took over 800,000 insurance claims for people who took the two pill regimen all right between 2017, 2023, 800,000. And they looked through the data and what they found is one out of seven didn't work, which is a high failure rate. The other is 11% had serious adverse side effects 11%. You know what the FDA officially says the side effects is 0.5. So when they looked at the data, it's 22 times more severe than the FDA and in fact, the FDA no longer tracks side effects, except for death. I mean it is so.
Speaker 2:We talk about politics everywhere. It was such a drive to allow these and I thought they cared about the woman and this is a very dangerous part. So that's one of the reasons the abortions are going up. But a bigger reason is we are in a culture of doubt. I don't think people understand. They have been so inoculated against this idea of choice and they forget to think about what are we talking about?
Speaker 2:It's a human being. It's a human being. Let's have that discussion, and you can't even have that discussion in so many places, and that's the scary part, which is why this project that I put together is to help students high school and college age students learn about not just what abortion is and how to engage, but also what a worldview is, how to look at the world from yes, a biblical perspective and the value of life and how that plays out in the abortion debate, because we don't even have that debate, because too often we're not even focusing on what we're talking about, which is a human being from the moment of conception. That is a scientific fact. You like the term? Follow the science, remember, follow the science. Once you have a zygote, once you have the sperm and the egg come together, there is a human being with DNA. That will be the same when that person is 90 years old. So I get a little emotional on this, but I think what you brought up is this great point of saying wait a second, this is being done at home and it's it's dangerous, obviously to the babies, but to the mothers as well.
Speaker 1:Oh no, absolutely. And you know I just did a little math because I'm not a math major People. You know, one of our seven is 14 percent and FDA says Point five, half a percent.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's severely down. Seven is not working 0.5, half a percent death, 22 times higher. And the FDA is saying they will look at this again and but we'll see what happens, because again it's a political losers. You got people on both sides of the aisle who don't want to even touch it and talk.
Speaker 1:Thank you for that clarification. I just want to make sure I understand that. It's just. You know, I agree, the Republicans don't want to talk about it. They just become silent about it because before they were, I remember you know, started to become vote of age. Republicans are very proudly say we are pro-life, we are pro-life, but as of now, this climate, they're just not even talking about it.
Speaker 2:Especially where you are. I'm in Alabama. It's a red state, that's not an issue, this is. But when you talk about the overall overarching the National Party, for example, I mean President Trump took the pro-life out of the, out of the, out of the plane. I mean he said we're not having it, we're not talking about it. And so from a national perspective, that's where we are. And look, he, nominated in the Republican Senate, confirmed the most pro-abortion HHS secretary in history in Robert Kennedy. I mean the dude believes in late term abortion to the moment of birth, and they suck him in. I mean the world is kind of upside down. So that's why it's important to people to understand. That's why I started the project to talk about and get people to understand facts Follow the science.
Speaker 1:I can never stand that either. That came from the, the democrats on the left. I said no, no, you only say that when it's convenient to the right's credit, and I'm going to defend them a bit. I didn't hear them talk following science or anything. Someone was able to flip it upside down as well, you know. But I didn't follow science too, because the abc's are technically so. Following science is looking at the data. Make the most informed decisions based on the data, instead of just lying going by what you feel you know like. Yeah, I'm gonna actually kind of attack the left on this. On this issue of, I would say, if I have to pick two camps, I say I will lean on the pro pro-life one. So I'm not a progressive daggle exposed. I I am not. I would say for me there is only a few exceptions. I would say if the feast is very deformed or I would, in a rape, I would say that's a bit of a debate. Other than that, I think they should carry that to term.
Speaker 2:And the life of the mother. That's exactly right. That's a very tough decision.
Speaker 1:But yeah, and you know, think before you do something, people. No, this is another thing. No, think before you do something. A lot of these idiotic, catastrophic consequences can't be avoided. But you go by, I feel I do what I want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you could do what you want, but there's also consequences. You can't separate the scream I like I get passionate, but I like to have reasoned discussions. And when I talk about things with progressives such as Planned Parenthood, ok, I believe it is an organization, it's, its whole financial background is isn't as an abortion though, it just is. That's how, that's how they make their money. And when you see, when I do, you know the Planned Parenthood in New York City used to be called the Margaret Sanger. Well, you know what they, we used to. We, being the pro-lifers, would say they're naming it after Margaret Sanger.
Speaker 2:She is the founder, but her belief was eugenics. She believed in the bad weeds, especially black. I mean, this woman believed her thoughts are what Hitler and that gets overused, but this is a case. Those are the thoughts that Hitler used and they finally took the name off the Planned Parenthood building in New York City. But also, planned Parenthood purposely targets the inner city and black neighborhood. Blacks make up about 38 percent of abortions in America are blacks and of course, that's about three times more than three times the percentage New York City. I shared this with you when, when we were chatting ahead of time New York City, more black babies are aborted than born. I mean, let's talk about social justice and justice, and does that not bother anybody? So this, these are human beings that we're talking about, and when you bring those points up, it makes it a little disturbing when folks think that way, saying wait a second. This is destroying an entire population in Erinos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they could have been growing, having a bigger share in the population. But you know, let me just play devil's advocate, maybe it could be finances, there's still something in there. But you know, let me just play devil's advocate, Maybe it could be finances, there's still something in there. But, like I said, this is something that you know they should have, should be responsible for. But let's just say they, they somehow couldn't take care of the baby, and that's a lot.
Speaker 2:That is a fair. I will tell you that the and I've looked at the research on this the number one reason that women get abortions is lack of support, that is, family support, financial support. Ok, back in the early 80s, late 70s, when Roe went in, a lot of the argument was yeah, you pro-lifers care about the baby until it's born. And you know what, elias, there was some truth to that and that's why I work at a local pregnancy center. I'm what's called a male advocate. I work with the men who come in with the women and counsel and I teach parenting classes. Well, the pregnancy centers now you wouldn't know it from Senator Warren and the others who scream about they have no idea what's going on it is supporting these women and these families and it's not just through we. We help them, we connect them in the community, we connect them in support, we help strengthen the family and it's all holistic and beyond.
Speaker 2:Because that's the number one reason, and you're absolutely right, and this is I'm going to critique the church the church is not stepping up as much as it should, because these women and too often it's single women, and that's another issue about the importance of a married mom and dad for raising a child. But the church needs across the board, black, white, hispanic, evangelical. I'm not talking about not pointing fingers at the main line or the others. They need to do more on this way, because that's part of it saying wait a second, there's a hurt, so what else can we do to help it so that they want to have that baby? That's a, that's a fair critique that you brought up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what? I agree. I have criticized the churches. I said, look, I don't criticize, look, I try to be an atheist for two years, don't do it. How'd that go? Not very well. I felt great only for like the first five minutes of my life.
Speaker 2:You like that freedom, huh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, after that, it was no, it was not, and it was all out of pure emotion, not understanding how God operated. And see, that's just my personal journey with that and I tried it for two years and that was in the stem of depression, only losing my father. I said, god, if you're so freaking, freaking great why you let my father die. Huh, if you're so freaking, you know. And you know, you know. But by the time I studied god on my own when I was 18, okay, and this is when I started gaining enlightenment oh, it works into the court of the power within. I said, oh, you see, this is a see.
Speaker 1:There were things I was not paying attention to, or they, or and this is why I criticize even the church further, the church education sucks. They didn't teach those a point about prayer, understanding how god works. Some of the I will say nuances, if you will, that's more like a scientific, secular word about how god works. He can't work. It's just that. You know we're. I will say we are like the. I would say it's more like the the wi-fi right. We like the wi-Fi right. We like the Wi-Fi. It works sometimes and we don't. That's our receptability. That we got. We got our high, high bar moments and we got over low, low bar moments, especially when it's inconvenient. Oh, but I want to gamble.
Speaker 2:Or we want to manipulate him to get what?
Speaker 1:we want, right, right, yeah, that's that's what that Wi-Fi receptor goes down. That's that's what that Wi-Fi receptor goes down, but we are open to his teachings and applying it correctly. Then, of course, that receptor goes up. I'm using that. I think that's related to more of the younger people that are tend to be more secular. For example, I'm a millennial. I think I was at last somewhat normal generation. Some had some metrics, whatever normal is. I don't believe in that. But in terms of secularism has been growing among young people.
Speaker 1:Some some even say, all right, jesus doesn't exist. What you're talking about. It's like a fairy tale to them. I said well, this is why your life is miserable. I know what it's like I. I was never a full-blown atheist, but I did. I did use as a shield my anger and misery at the time. So that's just. You know I'm saying a brief flick. I've said it many times to my listeners and viewers. You know where I stand with that. And look, I don't pretend to be a perfect christian. Some things I fall real short in. Sometimes I'm too cynical of humanity, that's. That's one way. So, oh, these idiots are never gonna learn god. When are you gonna do your revelation? And just let's get out of already.
Speaker 2:Let's get out of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get out of this. See, that's one of my things I have to work on, just being very transparent. You know no Christian, you know it's probably all for sure. Glory of God.
Speaker 2:You know that's right and that's part when you're talking I think that's fair about the education and that's why I started this project to help give a biblical basis, but also worldview basis and a logical. We talk about logic. It's a five-part module teaching about worldview and about the abortion issue, with some ideas for hands-on projects with pregnancy centers, and the idea is to get the high school and college age students thinking about these issues and able to have that discussion, able to have that conversation about wait a second why it is life and it is life and okay, would you abort a baby a day before it was born? Well, of course not. Well then, why would you abort it three months before? So you have that discussion. Oh, a life is a life and I think it's critical for especially those in the church to think about it.
Speaker 2:But the church does not, even those churches that'll check the box and say, yes, we're pro-life. Do they talk about it much, do they preach about it much, do they teach it much? Now, so part of this is and I'll plug the location if it's okay, but it's called prolightleadersnet, and on the website is all the material. Nobody knows me from now, so they can look and see all the material. It's free, you just order it and the printer charges you to print it and ship it. But I want to take away the excuse that the church is, oh, we'd love to talk about or teach pro-life, but what do we do? Well, here it is. It has the nation's experts on it that I'm quoting and giving all the quotes to. Here's the information easy to teach with a PowerPoint and videos and hands-on project ideas. So, trying to take away the excuse so at least people will look at it in the church and at the issue, because I think it's an extremely important one that is ignored too much.
Speaker 1:I agree, and this is a thing with America, I think we become overall snowflakes. It comes to hard issues. If it's too hard, oh well, we dodge it. Ah yes, and, and it is hard, and that's you know. Social Security is another one. That's another thorough touch. And you know, social Security is another one. That's another third rail. Touch that one and I say, did these two guardrails? I think they favor Dems, or left, if you want to be technical and honest. It favors them more than the Republicans.
Speaker 1:If they try to muddle these with this third rail, they will lose support majorly and it will be political suicide for a lot of candidates and sadly, I, I would have to agree and this is why, um, like where you said very low replacement rate and this, demographics are changing significantly. I mean, I'm sure you know someone that want to have, some of you that want to have children, all that. Just just make sure you know. I would say, you know, have it. This is why I say add support. I think what's the saying again? Well, proper, or look at using proverb or a quote. I'm just use a quote because I don't want things to mix up now. That's all the problems of the Bible. Don't know, no, no, no, talk about that proper I am talking about.
Speaker 1:You know, know, it takes a village to actually raise a child. It's, there's truth to that. People are more separated ever and this is why child raising, I would say, based on my understanding you know, I don't have a kid yet is that it's, you know, the? The parent just sends them to to daycare. Both parents work, that's. I think that's the normal work, that's normal family dynamic in 21st century america. And what was the child? No, just the daycare people. Mom and dad, where rabbit to the grandma, the aunties are. You know the. The families used to, or even trusted friends used to, you know, help each other. People used to help each alleviate um burdens. But I just think some people have gone too self-centered in their tents. Yourself, I could do it all on my own. Well, it's community.
Speaker 2:What you're talking about is community, and the church is a community. You're talking about the village. It starts with the family. You follow the science. There is no doubt.
Speaker 2:The best thing for a child is to be brought up with a married mother and father. Every data, every secular religion, doesn't matter what, it is incontrovertible. And these studies, these nonsense studies, have finally been put to rest. That came out that children are as well with gay couples as with mother and father absolutely untrue. And those studies have been knocked down. Because you need a mother, you need a father. They bring different things, so bring different things, so that's best. But also having that community as you talk about, whether it's the church community, the neighborhood community, it goes out and that's how we're built. We are built for community and that's why the mental health problem is such an issue that people sit and look at their phones. They don't have the community, they're not going to church, and and so this is part of what this program is. It's talking about pro-life, but it's also a way to get the community together. Talk about a big issue. That's important.
Speaker 1:Yep, this thing right here has done a lot to destroy communities. There we go, a weapon of mass distraction. I quote this from my I would say bizarre but a genius financial teacher. He's the one that got me. This is a class I took at 8 pm at night. I was supposed to be tired as heck but he kept me engaged and interested. So that says a lot about his engagement, his gravitas. This thing has done a lot. Has done a lot to do that. You could make your orders, you could do your chats, you could watch real endless entertainment. Oh, I want to order food. I mean almost anything. Teach you how to breathe better, write my abcs. I mean something as dumb, as simple as that. We've done. We have outsourced so much to this phone. It's ridiculous. We are social beings, but I don't care. I'll sign a right w-winger to you Some issues. I want to sound like a left-winger.
Speaker 2:When you pay attention to my climate change.
Speaker 1:I will sound more to the left on that issue. There's things I agree with. I think institutions should be involved. It would be great if they were more involved and all that. But my biggest criticism is the right and I do agree to this degree that money is being wasted and I think there's more ways to go about.
Speaker 2:So let's see that, see a little mix that makes right day.
Speaker 1:I agree with right, you know. Fiscal conservatism, that's another thing that the national republicans let me just say that, let me be clear, because state governor republicans I will say, they know how to balance the budget. They still remember fiscal responsibility, some of them, but the national ones, all that that's up in the dome there's, you know, the big, beautiful bills. Just a great. Just another example uh, everybody wants something.
Speaker 1:They're just having their needs on one, you know just. You know, just like the democrats, different things, but you know I don't want to be too all right, let me just get out of the hole, okay. Okay, we derail just a little bit. Blame the host hey, use the comment section. Blame the host for this. I'm fine with that. This is, you should get used to it. Put up, put up or shut up. This is how I operate. Deal with it, okay. Deal with it. Sue me, okay. But let's go back to this whole pro-life and abortion, because they, they just, they just reject a lot of their own platform. This is more the criticism of just like you know, democrats. Let me just criticize them. They have, you know, they have practically abandoned the working class. That's why they're not doing too well either, you know. So that's nothing.
Speaker 2:That's a. That's a big, that's a big thing. Look at the politics in your city.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very, it's very. It's pro-bank, pro-corporate, pro-big boss Screw the little guy. Just saying it, just being brutally honest. All right, so you're, you're, you're right about that. I'm not, I'm not going to defend New York. There's a lot of things.
Speaker 2:There's things you criticize like yeah, I agree, and that's one of the places. You know that and this is where you know. When roe got overturned and it and people would say well, made abortion illegal, no, it returned it to the states, which is the fact, which is where it had always been. And new york was one of the first and I remember cuomo signed the bill. I mean, look, it is legal to have an abortion up to the point of birth in New York State, which is absolutely, I mean, it is indefensible, because when they say the life of the mother, just take the baby out, you don to be. Remember, bill Clinton, we want it to be legal, safe and rare. I mean, it wasn't something. And now you actually will see a celebration of people celebrating their abortions and it's so twisted in that way. And so when we talk about a split in the nation that's one of the big issues talk about a split in the nation, that's one of the big issues. I just to me how you could not look at. I'll have that discussion with a pro-choicer, but most they don't celebrate it. They recognize it's life, they don't think it's important enough to stop but to actually go out and celebrate, which is where you are. And let me tell you another one we just had. I work, I mentioned, at a pregnancy center. I work with the men. We have four offices. We just had our first. There's a abortion pill reversal. And because the process now is you take two pills for your abortion at home, the first pill starves the baby and then 48 hours later you take the second pill to abort it. Well, if you change your mind, within 24 hours, as happened here about a little less than a year ago, a woman took the first pill and then said, regretted it and contacted in our medical director and they actually flood the body with progesterone to bring the nutrients back to the baby and we just had our first baby born two months ago. That was a pill reversal. And to me you talk about choice, pro-choice. This is the woman's choice. She felt horrible about it, changed it and now has a baby. But what you have in places like California, they're suing pregnancy centers to not allow them to tell women about the reversal. And I said you talk about you don't want the woman to have that choice, but that's how rabid so many are and that's a sad part to me and you'll find it interesting.
Speaker 2:I was speaking at a conference in Mississippi, a pro-life summit. I was a speaker, but another speaker was an atheist, an atheist pro-life. She does not believe in God, she believes in nothing except what you can touch, purely secular, but she is adamant pro-life. She does not believe in God, she believes in nothing except what you can touch, purely secular, but she is adamant pro-life. She said it's a baby and it was a fascinating discussion. Now, most pro-lifers are Christians or people of faith, but most Christians, people of faith very few are secular. But there is a group out there and it was fascinating to have that discussion because she realizes I don't believe in God but I believe there's a baby in there and it's wrong to kill the baby. So it's interesting how how the issue can can be framed and that's why I started this project, just to help people understand it better no, yeah, no, and I am generally for that.
Speaker 1:I mean, ironically, your organization is more pro choice and the pro choice you know. People in a sense say you know, you gave them the education tools and then, okay, here you go, this is you know and that that's good. Yeah, it's true, that's, that's hypocrisy of the pro choice. He was a pro choice, but that's just to tell you. Some of them actually pro abortion, pro most are of the yeah, most are?
Speaker 2:I'll just say most.
Speaker 2:Now you've got the folks who'll say they're pro-choice. But when you dig a little deeper and you, there's a discomfort and they realize deep down they you told me I hope you don't mind me saying before we went on about you saw a video of an abortion and what it did to you and you've seen blood and guts and that doesn't bother you. My point is because in you you knew it was a defenseless child being killed and you were wired by God and I know a lot of your audience will dispute that with me but I'll say it's by God to care and to know and to have that emotion and that's what you see in some of these abortionists who become Christians and they realize what they were doing. But here's what's neat Our pastor, eric Hankins.
Speaker 2:He gives a lot of pro-life sermons and he's never once done one where he hasn't said there are people here in this audience who've had an abortion, who have supported women having an abortion and remember the blood of Christ covers all sin, including that, and I think that's important to remember the grace and to have that connection. So that's the idea of having the connection and that's why I started the project, so we can have that conversation, but so that high school and college students can be prepared to be able to have a meaningful discussion to counter the pro-abortion message. And it's called Students in Action Building Pro-Life Leaders.
Speaker 1:Oh yep, and let's see, let's see. Maybe in a couple of years you'll see a tide change. We'll see, but as of now it's looking bleak.
Speaker 2:I'm just going the other way. You're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if anything, it's going more the pro-abortion people have you know they have made gains, and even some red states.
Speaker 2:So I think like Ohio is a good example. Hey, yeah, look, we went 0 for 7 in a row and even Kansas and Ohio putting it in it's a political loser. Is there no better proof than that? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, that's a bad republic, but you know, this is just how much momentum it has gotten. I think, um, I I think you already touched on this why it's so emotional? Because I could just say, for the woman, they just feel like their right to be taken away, like they don't have a. You know, I gotta defend abortionals. I don't have a choice. Maybe, you know, I, I can, I could be wrong, um, and and of course, there's a lot of political capital just to defend a certain perspective of that. And you know votes and all of that, you know, especially, you know, the Republicans are back away from it and the Democrats that push it and especially, you know, and some, even some of the progressive ones. So it, you know, and it does that emotion just drive some people to vote. I mean, emotions are being used to drive votes on certain issues, like abortion is one of them, even though they went nationally, you know, because khan was pushing that and trump just, and he was sort of for it and then he just backed off there's no core there.
Speaker 2:he's not no, he uses, he is what's ever politically expedient. And we see where it is now Yep.
Speaker 1:And he's not alone.
Speaker 2:He's not alone.
Speaker 1:Oh no, he's definitely not alone, and this is of course. You know I'm saying this to the right Democrats already know where you're at. You're simple. You're just generally pro-choice. Okay, not much interesting discussion there. It's just sad, and I don't mind you using that story because that's the new one. I didn't talk about that one, about how the baby's guts was just torn to shreds and it was so defensive, and rarely I'm just hardened and seeing violence. I haven't seen death, though. I mean I just walk right over it. It's just he was nonchalantly said, it got well. I hope this person makes it to heaven.
Speaker 2:I know that's your call and I'll be moved by, but but just the baby being defenseless, absolutely defensive, oh, and that's what it's hard to um, it's hard to defend, I believe. So that's why it's important to to be able to know how to engage and to ask those questions what are we talking about? When does it become a human? You don't think it's a human right away. You know um. So again I say follow the science, and that's why it's important things we talk about in the program yeah, oh, you're definitely triggering the laugh for this episode and half my audience, I know.
Speaker 2:That's why I come on and talk about it. Half of them are banging on the computer now, I know.
Speaker 1:This is not a safe space. I give that warning. I'm going to bring all kinds of people. It's more like a deck of cards. I want to shuffle.
Speaker 2:What are we going to come next? Can I, can I give my email so they can, because I want to hear from sure it's real easy it's info, info, info at pro-life leadersnet.
Speaker 2:So it comes right to me info at pro-life leadersnet. I, I want to hear from you and uh, from both sides. I'd love to hear from some who might want to teach the course, uh, or follow more information, but I'd love to hear, hear from and engage, because I think it's important to engage and we don't do enough of that. We yell at each other but we don't don't get to know each other and engage. I think that's important.
Speaker 1:You know, I agree with that. We, we really don't just shout oh, oh, you want to keep the rapist's baby or all your murderer? Yeah, so much name calling, so much muds, verbal muds being sing at each other, just to use a little nicer example. Normally I like to use machine guns or rockets and nukes and all that. That's what you're doing verbally. Uh, we shoot, blow things up and ask questions later if, if we got enough mental fortitude and just energy fortitude just to do that. And that is not guaranteed. Let's just be absolutely clear look, you have to.
Speaker 2:It takes work to engage and to listen and just shut up and listen. And that's one of the things I teach in the course is, and they'll see it, how to engage is to ask questions. Ask, don't just ask questions. What do you mean by that? That's a big question, by the way. I ask what do you mean by that? Just so we have our definitions, you know, because we assume things right, but what do you mean by that? Okay, so this is what you mean. So that's part of what they're learning is how to engage, because it's not easy, especially if the topics are controversial. But goodness, we're human beings, we're Americans, let's talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we should lot of talks. I just cancel culture. Save space, which I'm strongly against.
Speaker 2:I will, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is what I'm going to both. I'm going to bash both sides of the aisle when it comes to cancel cultural safe spaces. Yeah, both have done it. I would say the right is a little more creative and slick about it. That's why sometimes I get away with it. The left is pretty open and stupid about it. We don't want this person canceled, banned, all of that. Well in the universities.
Speaker 2:Look, they control the universities, and that's where it was going crazy. Yeah, was going crazy, and and uh, yeah, right, and they don't allow people. Yeah, that term snowflakes I always thought that was, but wasn't that sad because, all right, by the time they're at college they're feeling that way. That meant they weren't challenged at home, they weren't challenged in the neighborhood, and and then this is the kind of topic you couldn't, you know it'd be a trigger warning if, if you were for life, you know, um, and so it's. It's just a little crazy, but hopefully we can at least get to to that part where we can discuss and have that conversation and, I hope, maybe change some people's lives and babies, absolutely, oh yeah, especially the little ones you know.
Speaker 1:And look america, look, I know it's financially tough, I get it. What I would suggest is put more pro-village, pro-people support. You know, I would say that to alleviate that. I don't care if it's government, I don't care if it's government funded or private funded we got to get something started. Or community I think community would be more ideal, right.
Speaker 2:That's the best, the closer. You know and I know a lot of your listeners won't like Newt Gingrich and he's gone off the edge on some things, but I thought one of his key points. He said what is best is government closest to the people and I think that's the closer it is your councilman you can go knock on the door rather than the congressman, and I think that's true and I think we've abandoned that a little bit. You know we kind of focus everything on Washington. Let's bring it closer to home.
Speaker 1:Oh true, and especially big cities. You see me more difficult. So let me just bash. You know, New York City Bureaucracy, big, slow moon, yeah, you know it takes forever to get a response. You might be dead by the time you get a response.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what they call it yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. A cynic against government, I'm supposed to have a cynic against government, so I got my. When it comes to government, I'm not the most, I'm definitely not the most pro-government person, but I'm also not the most radical polished government guy.
Speaker 2:But it can do things better, and the things you can bring closer to home the better yeah I agree.
Speaker 1:you know, yeah, I agree, I know, I, I totally agree. There's a lot of criticism for the government. For sure I'm not going to be those diehard people. I defend government no matter what, even if it's using 1980s computers and all that and have outdated nonsense and take forever is to do. Is they have it and have someone's vacations to to get paid? Well, that should be fair criticism Like that's another thing to bureaucracy. Oh, five weeks off during summer, why everybody else got a grind and work. And I do agree with those criticisms.
Speaker 1:Some of them come from the left because they're they're part of the loser camp right now. Bare a barely one trend. Because they're part of the loser camp right now. Barely More in trends. That's right, yeah, so that's it. Well, look at that. We end up talking about government and all that. So let me give you a pretty challenging question. We already know about those who've done the abortion successfully. They go through regret. What about those who don't? How do we respond to those who have actually done it? You debate them or have conversation with them. They don't regret. It says the best thing ever happened to me.
Speaker 2:I think, and this is what I've seen. And again, I work at a pregnancy center. I don't work with women, I work with the men who come in, but but I work with the counselor, including one who had an abortion as a teenager and has now working in the pro-life community. And I can tell you I know some others of this. First of all, you've heard from the pro-choice, pro-abortion that there's no evidence of psychological harm. That's absolutely untrue. It's also true, however, that most and this is what the studies have shown of that psychological harm comes decades later, comes 10, 20, 30, 40, where it comes up. And in fact there's a whole process in a study that our medical center does pregnancy center with post-abortive women to walk through.
Speaker 2:It's a year long and it's a lot of stuff. It's a lot of stuff. And so those, especially the young ones who've had it, say, hey, everything's fine, Everything's fine. I can almost guarantee, just based on the studies I've seen, and that we're talking decades down the road, it's not going to be fine, so you're going to have to deal with it. You're going to have to deal with it, and so that's where the grace comes through, that's where the blood of Christ comes through, that's where the holding the arms and holding hands and being with and just remembering and praying for it because it's going to come up. It's going to come up and that's just a fact for almost all and just talking with the counselors I have and the people who've been through it, that's universal. So because the realization it's a human being.
Speaker 1:That's a very good answer and I guess I normally don't throw a tough one in there. But I'm just very curious to know. This is out of my personal curiosity. Yeah, I thought I mean some of you can frame it as a attempt to gotcha. That's fine with me, I really don't don't care, but I'm just trying to understand how you deal with those.
Speaker 2:That's a fair point.
Speaker 1:It's a fair point. You know, I could have just done something unfair. I could have started just unfairly saying look you stupid, barbaric Christians, what's wrong with you letting these women carry these unwanted fetuses? What's wrong? Do you have any compassion? That would have started off very unfair, coming in there with my premises my no, I tend to be, I will say, pretty fair-minded person. I got my opinions for sure. Like I said, I will lean definitely more on a overall. If I take the quiz, I think I'm 80% 70. I'll say, worst case scenario, 17 to 80% pro-life.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, we'll keep working on it and get you to 100. How's that?
Speaker 1:Hey, I welcome the challenge. There we go.
Speaker 2:I love it. Hey, you're giving me a platform and I appreciate that, I sure do.
Speaker 1:No, I don't mind the challenge, because I could have just done the woke snowflake thing. Oh no, cancel, cancel. Mr Clark, he's a spy for the big cereal company and he's a spy for the big cereal company and he's trying to spread christian nationalism and all this garbage. No, I mean, I could have done that just for giggles or just in front of it, but no, I don't do that. I don't believe in that.
Speaker 2:I got left wingers, right wingers people in the center, which is fun.
Speaker 1:That's neat no, I got't know.
Speaker 2:I like that usually they have their tribe. You know you, you've got the big so that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I hate. I try for my own tribe critical thinkers. Try be freedom of choice. I'm trying to practice why I preach it. Easier said than done, believe me, easier said than done. Um, especially the 1a, I think I've. I have compromised a few times on that. Man, you could call me out on the section, on the comment section right there. There's a little activity right there, especially for the haters. But what do you think this is a serious comment activity? I always like to throw these off based on recent episodes. What camp do you think you are and why are you in the pro-life? I'm going to give three options Pro-choice, if we're going to take that word literally. It's really the moderate choice. Or you are pro-abortion. California, I would say it's a pro-abortion state for the most, except for the conservative counties. Maybe there's some debate, some gray muddle New.
Speaker 1:York, colorado too, yeah, so overall it's pro-abortion. The fact that you're trying to not have free markets or different choices, especially reverse abortion pills, I think it's ludicrous. In my honest opinion, that's just me bashing California politics.
Speaker 2:By the way, I'm scheduled to give a pro-life talk in California in September. Well, I'm scheduled to give a pro-life talk in California in September.
Speaker 1:Well, I will pray.
Speaker 2:We'll see if it goes through, but we'll see. But hey, I hope I pray for you, for the divine protection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm definitely curious. I'm just too excited here. I rarely get this excited because this is look, he's walking this, he's walking straight to the battlefield, he's gonna have pitchforks, pitchforks, bullets, nut jobs. And this is all some of it literal, let's be clear.
Speaker 2:So no, no, I'll be bobby hype, but I like that.
Speaker 1:No, because some people don't get it. Some people just that's stupid, I have, I hate to say it they think you're a dead speed. No, no, I'm going literal. I'm doubling down on that one with a stupid comment. No, I'm doubling down that for those of you who got a brain, you should be offended. You're, you're, you're exempt for this insult. And yet you're exempt. You're past. You get a waiver. If you got low IQ, please be offended. Please leave my podcast.
Speaker 1:I don't need. I personally don't need you. I don't. I want people to have a thoughtful discussion. I don't care what opinion you have. That's not my thing. It's how you go about it.
Speaker 1:If you're going to be a rabid moron, even in the pro-life thing, being a rab nut job I don't care where I'm coming from Then you're the problem. You are the problem. Okay, I don't care if you're pro-life, pro-choice, pro-whatever or I don't know, or just pro-chopping organs, up there you go. Let's just go a little extra graphic, pro-experimenting on people, even if young people, who even you would get extra gruesome, I could get gruesome. All right, let me calm down the dark side. I'm calm down, calm down. I was a prick. I'm trying to behave here. I'm trying to behave. I'm saying now I'm getting off the rails here, all right, let me calm down, all right. So but you get the point, people. You get the point despite the little. If I was, if we both was not productive adults, I could easily stretch this for another hour based on so much stuff that we talked about. It's actually some good stuff. I really did enjoy this conversation, appreciate that.
Speaker 1:Let's see Would I become a hundred percent pro-life?
Speaker 2:You'll love it and, if you don't mind, if I can let let the folks know they can just check out the website pro-life leaders all one word pro-life leadersnet and info at pro-life leadersnet. They can send me a email and I appreciate and just check it out for yourself. Everything's there. You can check it out all all yourself no, yep, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1:He beat me to it. It's the shameless plug-in. And let me just add a social media. So, so that's perfectly fine with me. I go with what I go with the flow. You know, people are different. I don't mind. And actually makes my job a little easier. He got his social media. He got the most professional LinkedIn, and then he got Facebook and YouTube. All right, check those out as well. And you already got his email as well. And just make sure you go. We don't go there Check it out.
Speaker 1:Don't be a stiff neck bigot. A real bigot is just someone who just refuses to gauge your different opinions. Ok, that's a real definition of a bigot now, which is just because the left views it and, trust me, some of the more bigots on the left too. Yeah, there's some bigots on the right, I agree with that, but it's also some on the left as well. Both of them are not. They're not pure on that one, and I would say I am rarely a bigot, maybe except for my food choices.
Speaker 1:Now, I don't mind being called a bigot. I'll be fine with that. I will live, it's okay. It's just a stupid word at the end of the day. Yep, so pro-life leadersnet. Check it out, especially if you know. For those of you who are pro-life, who are feeling bleak and hopeless, got a champion right here who's willing to go to the hell fields of California, okay. So there you go, right there. I mean, do I need to prop him up from bring a better promo? No, there we go, because he's doing the baby is so crazy that it just might work, and you know, god does operate like that Sometimes it's not always my logic or strategy.
Speaker 1:That's how I like to operate. That's why sometimes me and God got an argument, you know, but and you know that is conscious, you know, don't go by your own understanding. So I got a hard time with that because of logic and strategy. Let's be. I mean, I'll be honest with myself and that's what me and god have that debate. It's like really it doesn't make sense. It's so stupid. It makes sense. This is why you need to have faith. Go walk by faith, not by sight. A lot of us go by, it's not blind oh, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you was clear about that. Oh, but you know what happens we walk blind, you go bump into all kinds of things and you might die, okay, but but uh, you know you, you know this. People, my list is a few words. You're smart people. I don't care where you're at the world, your politics, your gender, even your sexual orientation. You know this is primarily affects heterosexual couples mostly, even though I think some LGBTQ ones are involved with that as well. Particularly, I'll say, the more lesbian you know, guy on, guy, whatever. I'm sure abortion affects them too, not as much as straight people, because there's a lot more straight people than them. That's just a numerical statistic. It's not me being mean, these are facts.
Speaker 1:Would I call for gay people to be murdered? Hell, no, I don't do that. I don't do that and try to be God operated. I would not do that. But you know, I will point certain things out in the Bible once we develop that rapport. Of course I'm not going to do it right away, because doing it right away is what creates the conflict. I think you have to be a bit strategic. That's just my opinion. But who am I? I'm just a guy with a podcast who likes to yell my smart opinions to you at a computer. Okay, so that's what I'm going to say about that. Anything else you want to add, stuart, before we wrap this up.
Speaker 2:That's it. Thank you, alliance, for allowing me to have this opportunity to talk to your audience, just to share and I hope have sparked maybe a little conversation and I hope they'll check out the website prolifeleadersnet and look at it for themselves.
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm about exploring, expanding around, you know, expanding your horizons, people. Why I can't stand and this is why I probably discriminate stiff-necked people, because you're not going to drag me down with your stupidity. I refuse to be dragged down with there we go. I buy race, not by even sexual orientation, any of that stuff. I go, I tried, I tried to, I tried to be like Martin Luther King, judged by character. I tried to be. At least Do I always do it right? There's cases, but I try. I'm a work in progress. That's all I can say.
Speaker 1:So now for this podcast. James, plug in this is how you know we're about to end this Like comment subscribe for YouTube and Rumble viewers and comment, subscribe for youtube or rumble viewers and you know, and give a review at apple podcast. Only those only reviews I'm paying attention to. I don't care about spotify. If you do it on spotify, I will ignore you. You don't pay attention to instructions. I don't care what you think. All right, unless you're giving me a check or money somehow, then then, then I, then I will be out.
Speaker 1:Then I feel obligated to do a couple of things. Okay, it's called contract, but it depends what kind of contract. If it's certain nonsense. I will not do it either. Some you know and will be a good thing of nonsense.
Speaker 1:Promote woke language. No, not from this guy. I don't give a rat's behind about a woke ideology language. I think it's stupid and you could support some good left-wing causes without that stupid language that just divides people. It causes massive confusion, especially the word Latinx, one of the dumbest things they invented.
Speaker 1:In my honest opinion and I'm not the most right-wing person, but I am very anti-woke language Can I be woke in a sense that you're aware you know what's better for you? Be woke to God. There you go. Let me just do it that way woke to god. I mean you're more sensitive and aware what god wants. Yeah, I will support that. That's probably an exception right there. If you mix the two together, maybe that will work. Some may miss, some of you may react cringe, I don't, I don't care. You know what be more. I think me more sensitive to god, which I'm slowly but surely getting there.
Speaker 1:I do pay attention to my gut more often and you know, sometimes you talk to people who don't look all up there, but they're very rational and it is those who look put together. They're sadistic demons. They don't got it all together. You can't always judge by looks, people. That's my mini rant.
Speaker 1:Random Tip it, wisdom, whatever you want to call it. Okay, okay, let me wrap this up. Let me wrap this up. I'm taking forever. If you want to complain in the comment section, go right ahead, I'll do that. Okay, so oh, and also, if you have some green, the smallest tier donation is $3.
Speaker 1:You have your custom emotes and you will most definitely get a shout out. I mean, you might get a random shout out if you've been obviously a great guest who has shaped me on Shape 4. I will mention your future episodes. So you know what. For example, if I talk to someone who is more pro-choice and I do know some pro-choice people say you know what choice? And I do know some pro choice. People say you know what?
Speaker 1:Store kelly did bring up a good point about bam bam, bam bam. Challenge them a little bit and once I get to know you, I will be more, um, challenging little by little. I'm just, I just don't do it. I believe it just be challenging right off the bat, except for one.
Speaker 1:Trying to promote, I think, um, non-romantic love in bronx, I said talk, good luck with that I don't think that's gonna work, but hey. But hey, he loved the challenge and I said I'm just a good warning, I'm gonna be very skeptical right off the bat, because I was raised in the bronx and let's just say the love is different. We're rough around the edges or, you know, we're not that we're not friendly or anything, but it takes time for us to warm up because we're more, more, I would say, guarded, you know, just to put it nicely. Okay, and we definitely, we have definitely rough around the edges. Okay, and I mean, as shirley new york, I think bronx is at a little extra layer to that. Um, hey, welcome to challenge. I like people who welcome the challenge. Um, I like it, I like it I try to.
Speaker 1:I'll try to emulate that too. Okay, all right, all right, all right, you know this is where you should type shut up. So now I'm going to really wrap this up. When you're done listening to this journey, or watching this journey, you ever bless day, afternoon or night, bye.
