314- When Creativity Meets Code, Dating Gets Honest With Siquoyia Blue

We explore how a musician and IT pro built a dating card game to fight shallow swipes, why documentation and empathy matter in tech, and how creative autonomy fuels a sustainable career. Candid talk on remote work, culture fit, politics, and spiritual resilience keeps it real.

• breaking dating stereotypes with courageous questions
• how Dating Assassins works and why “pass” protects consent
• lessons from testing prompts across real dates and workplaces
• documentation, monitoring, and automation as leverage in tech
• remote work realities and the trap of “culture fit”
• learning ads, indie marketing, and algorithm strategy
• building abstract soul as a genre for creative freedom
• sustainable music paths beyond relentless touring
• boundaries, mental health, and private faith as anchors

Like, comment, subscribe, and leave your review on Apple. Support Siquoyia Blue by grabbing Dating Assassins, streaming the music, and checking out The Blue Alchemist. “If you do get the game, just leave a freaking review.” 

Siquoyia Blue's link

https://siquoyiablue.komi.io/

Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage And Guest Intro
• 3:20 Modern Dating And Social Media Fallout
• 7:50 Compatibility, Pandemic Realities, And Red Flags
• 12:05 Introducing The Dating Assassins Card Game
• 18:40 Boundaries, Passing Questions, And Real Reviews
• 23:50 From Riot Games To Card Design Choices
• 28:35 Tech Lessons: Documentation, Awareness, Iteration
• 34:00 Sequoia’s Journey Into IT And Monitoring
• 40:30 Creativity vs. Rigid Tech Culture
• 45:20 Remote Work, Culture Fit, And Bias
• 51:10 AI Hype, Leadership Gaps, And Hiring
• 56:40 Marketing, Ads, And Indie Survival
• 1:02:20 Politics, Power, And Practical Voting
• 1:09:00 Gun Policy Nuance And Public Safety
• 1:14:30 Regulation, Health, And Hidden Risks
• 1:20:10 Abstract Soul: Owning A Music Genre

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:13

Welcome everyone to politically high tech with your host Elias. For your entertainment, I have an exciting newcomer. This one's gonna be legitimately exciting. I'm not fluffing. Look, and I'm gonna bash the stereotypes of IT. You know they are a certain race, they talk very robust and they're very boring and intelligent. No, not this one. Not at all. You know, she's a music artist, and she even created uh, I would say for some who are proudly single, it's gay dating card game. You know, it does have I love the design of it. I ain't gonna lie. I love the little, we'll get more into that, but she's also IT. Look, she she is what I would say, let's just face it, a renaissance woman. We don't use that term enough, especially on women and women with rich melancholy. For you that don't get it, it's a black woman, okay, plain English. Melanin, come on. You get it. Not for my listeners, you're the smart ones. For those of you who are just tuning in, got a mouth, okay? So let's introduce, let's get straight to the good part here, because I could create my random monologue. So it's not gonna be this boring tech. It's it's gonna be very different, which I love. Her saying I love people who are very interesting, who shatter the box, who bring new kind of energy, new it has a shatter on my own box. Look, we all got their our biases, I got mine for sure. And I love it when it gets shattered and destroyed in front of my face. Biases make you dumb, especially when you add steroids to it, you provide comfort to it. We all got them, but it's okay to challenge them. So let's welcome Sequoia Blue. Don't worry, we're not gonna have depressing kind of blues here, okay? No. So let's just be clear. Let's just be clear about that. Oh, oh yeah, no, this is Joy Joy Fire. Listen to some of her music and download. You want something truly different, talent, get her to music. I don't want to hear any excuse. You got Spotify, you got Apple music, whatever you got, YouTube music, come on. Yeah, be everywhere. Oh, DCM. Look, listen. So let's not. I don't want to hear, oh, I can't access this thing. No, if you do that, you just be disappointed. People do act like that. No, no, no, no. That part I'm not nice. Um I kind of say if you have a tech issue, fine. But no, you want to act, oh, I can't do this, I can't. No, no, no, no, no. Shut up. Shut up, shut up. You just don't want to do it, okay? Let's just be clear about that. That part.

SPEAKER_03: 2:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 2:43

So mm-mm. You know, I've I've I've seen dumb excuses, and to be honest, I'm fed up with it. You just don't want to do it. And you know, we're so spoiled, so lazy as a society. We we just think one click is gonna solve everything, and no, it doesn't work like that. Sometimes it requires work, requires you know, tough.

SPEAKER_04: 3:01

It does do that. You know, yeah, people don't want to do the work, and it's you're right.

SPEAKER_01: 3:06

You're absolutely right. So, and look, I used to be that lazy person. I've been there. Okay, I've been there why I think, oh, I don't have to do much. Everything comes to me. You know, that's a brainwashing a lot of people have. I used to have that, but no, I found out you can't shortcut everything. I tried, it doesn't work. Spoiler, it really doesn't work. No, some things require effort, time, and you know, since we left to click everything and get everything instantaneously, you know, quick Amazon orders, quick this, quick that, yeah, quick match, even dating, dating's, dating's falling apart because we're like quick, quick, quick, quick, quick.

SPEAKER_04: 3:41

So that's a whole nother thing.

SPEAKER_01: 3:44

I think dating has been ruined. Oh, yeah, for for sure. Nah, and I think dating ha I think social media have really damaged, not completely ruined, but it's done a lot of damage to dating for sure. Like we can debate about gender and demographics. I'm not gonna get there. I just say just the big major damage um to it. All right, so you know, back then people used to talk, they used to ride, they used to do all these things, but you know, since we got online and everything's so virtual, we like to just be in, we like to be comfortable. So we'll want to move. And that even affects workers too.

SPEAKER_04: 4:23

Yeah, and it's hard because people are trying to, like, they don't have time to go sit at the bar. I knew a young lady in in Atlanta, she used to go to Houston Steakhouse. You don't know Houston Steakhouse, it's like the cream dealer creme of steak, and all the certain type people go there. And she would go there and just try to see if she can be the man, but she never could be a guy. She would go there after work and it just she wasn't meeting the right, wasn't meeting any guys. So it's like you don't really know. It's like at the end of the day, it's just gonna come, it's gonna come. If not, then you know, it just might not come. But I just think at the end of the day, it doesn't just going out don't mean you're gonna meet him or her, neither. That's just how I that's how I see it, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 5:00

Oh, yeah, with catfishing and ghosting and all that. Because, oh, I'll be there. Fast forward to the moment, you know, insert silence, get sounds, all of that nothing. And look, I'm not a Dane expert. Don't come to me for Dane expert. I will teach you how to be alone. You don't need that person. I can teach you to cut off toxicity. That I could teach you. I'm confident in that. But they don't don't come to me. I I can tell you about political analysis, who I think is gonna do it, uh, you know, about what's going on and all that. I I'm comfortable in that, but they own no Yeah, I can just tell you the right the right questions to ask.

SPEAKER_04: 5:38

That's all the right questions so you can know if that person's compatible, because that's what it breaks down to is the right questions. You don't ask and ask the right questions, you don't know who the hell you got with. So you're in this relationship with somebody and you don't even know them. That's what people found out during the pandemic that you all stuck in the house with personal like, oh, wait, I didn't know Charlie like I thought I knew Charlie. I didn't know Susan like I thought. So those things are so important. Just forget how fine somebody is or their money. See if you're compatible because that's what's gonna get you to last. The test of time.

SPEAKER_01: 6:07

All right, you gold diggers, entitled people, you've been called out, okay? And I actually know I perfectly agree because divorce was through the roof. They couldn't stand each other. That's oh wow, I was dating the enemy. I was married to the enemy. I didn't know because all they did was they were too busy doing their work, living life, and until they had to be. They were forced to be together. Oh, forget it. Well, some of them were literal knives. Metaphorical knives were unleashed, and they couldn't, they they really hated each other. They couldn't stand each other. It's sad.

SPEAKER_04: 6:39

But it but it could be little things.

SPEAKER_01: 6:42

I think we all hate how you know his feet smells. Oh, he's just like you got a dog.

SPEAKER_04: 6:48

I don't like your dog, or I mean, just nobody talks about those small things. They think it's just about cheating, or it's just no, it's way more than that.

SPEAKER_01: 6:56

Oh, this girl loves cheap perfume that really you know arritates my nose. You know, simple petty stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04: 7:03

Um simple stuff. It could be a good idea.

SPEAKER_01: 7:05

Or maybe the way she talks. Oh, she sounds so snotty, like she knows everything, you know, things like that. You know, I try to do that.

SPEAKER_04: 7:12

That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:14

So, you know what? This is a good transition to your card game. Oh, yeah. So to address these bad ability issues, or even I don't know, maybe we can outsmart these petty, petty squabbles that sadly causes a breakup. Look, I do get money is a big part of a lot of them, but sometimes just stop that. I mean, speed dating, it's gonna be those petty things for sure. You don't know this person got money or not. It could be the way he looks, the way he talks, or they could think, you know, he's gay, you know, he's a feminist.

SPEAKER_04: 7:51

Things have happened. Yes. I mean, I'm telling you, because there and sometimes getting the question out, you can read people and you can see things. I mean, if that person is aware, and I think that takes certain type of person because you gotta be socially aware, and everybody's not socially aware. So even with a card game, you can still lose because you're not aware of the person's movement and what they're doing, but at least you got a way to ask the question. And so I think that's it, that's important.

SPEAKER_01: 8:15

Yeah, let's see. What is that car? What is that game called? I guess it was a oh dating assassin. Oh, I love you know that name is just so it's so it's so interesting. I mean, I said, well, I'm I'm good at assassinating dates, but that that's not the goal. That's not the goal there, isn't there?

SPEAKER_04: 8:34

No, it's it's such a I'm yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:37

Oh, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04: 8:38

No, no, you go. I want to see what you say.

SPEAKER_01: 8:40

It's not just for a date, so I think you could even engage this social, you know, conversation. I'm you know, you know, dating assassins is one of them. But you know, I can see if you just wanna uh get to know someone, you know, just fundamental icebreakers, I can see you can be used just for that. So it's multi-purpose, which is good because some people ain't gonna be in a in a mood or feeling risque just to get a boyfriend or a girlfriend or whoever, right? So I I think that's uh I think that's something to think about. It doesn't always have to be, ooh, what's the size of your special part? I'm just gonna say it like that. You know what I'm talking about, people. Or how your body count, you know, those spicy questions.

SPEAKER_04: 9:25

Well, and you can always skip the questions you don't want. So the thing about the game is that I, you know, I had to update the game instructions a year into the game because people act like they have to answer questions. Once you get the car game, it's in your hands. I don't own the game after it's in your hand. So you can always say pass on the question if you don't want to answer it. Or if you don't want to ask it, you can say pass. And so that's one of the things that you can do. I think people didn't understand that. So I definitely updated that in the FAQ area on the on the uh website because people is wild, you know, acting like you're crazy. Like you got to answer questions. And to me, there is no stupid question because somebody said, Oh, well, what that's a dumb question. If you ask somebody, do they like dogs? No, it's not because people are so obsessed with their pets out here, and somebody might not want you to have that dog or cat. So that's not a stupid question. So it's all opinions, which is everybody has one. Every thing, you know, it is what it is. But this game is to get you to think about what you really want and and get down to the nitty-gritty of it from the jump, or even if it's a female sin, and you can still ask these questions because it's gonna tell you a lot about the person. And and when before I even put the game out, I went on dates and tested the game for two years. I had, you know, this idea for a long time. I was working at Riot Games, which is the big tech company, and I was talking to a lot of guys there, and they would tell me what they had issues with. So all these questions came from what I've heard and also my own story. So it's not something that just coming out the sky. These are questions people want to know. You know.

SPEAKER_01: 10:53

I want to say just be brave people, and I this is why I can't say this is my personal pet peeve. I hate the half-ass participant. They only want to participate when things is easy. They don't bother. Look, it I don't know. If I'm gonna say this, it well, yeah, I know. No, you're you're right. And I and sad you gotta clarify that this is optional.

SPEAKER_03: 11:17

I know.

SPEAKER_01: 11:18

You know, I I gotta be honest, that's that's sad. But hey, you wanna please the I learned that it can't please the super emotional sensitive person. And look, this is coming for someone who used to be a sensitive kid. I I get it. However, come on. No, if you sensitive whatever, you're not even ready just to even, you're not even ready for step one in dating. Just move aside. I was thinking that too.

SPEAKER_04: 11:43

It's like, maybe go get some, it's just a question, dude. Like, you know, it's not that serious. So I think though that's something I learned. And and and I learned that about life because doing this game, I was like, yo, this is about everything, like even in tech. You know, if you don't explain it to the Pinky Toe in detail, they don't understand. You have to break things down. And I didn't know, I didn't know that. So the the same the time where I found out about the card game was the same time I found out about technical documentation. You have to, you can't, it's because somebody went to Harvard and you assume, oh, this person has been doing tech for 50 years, they know. No, you can't assume that they didn't study a particular software, they may not know it. You have to break it down like a baby. And I had to learn that. So at the same time I was just learning things about people, and I'm like, wow. So it was like a social experiment the last few years, really. You know.

SPEAKER_01: 12:35

I mean, that's how, I mean, that's how you get the product to be better and better. You got to your first version, and then you're gonna make some improvements. Sadly, secondly, that was one of them. But you know what? It is what it is.

SPEAKER_04: 12:49

Uh yeah, I said, you know, now know what to do for the future games. You know, break it down, man. That's just how it has to be.

SPEAKER_01: 12:58

Oh my god, I gotta ask about how my body count. I don't know if we got that as a question. Look, I never got the game yet.

SPEAKER_04: 13:05

No, that's not one, but one is like, have you ever had a felony? And this one guy got so mad about on Amazon, he left a bad comment. And it was crazy because he wasn't even an actual buyer. He was somebody that was through Amazon's program for people that want to get their products reviewed. So he wasn't even like a someone that I would market to, whatever. He was some random guy. But he can't he put in the comments, oh, well, uh, you shouldn't be asking people if they bit had a felony or if they have STDs. So I said, well, I said, well, you know, well, for someone that's serious, well, you know, hey, all we want to know is we want to know. I mean, can I just ask you? You can tell me, you can tell me what you want to tell me. It's just a question. You could say, no, I don't answer that, Cheryl or whatever. I don't know, but something must have happened with that game where he got in trouble and he went off on me. And that was the first time I realized I have to update the instructions and say you can pass on the questions because this guy was wilding out. But that was the only one I've gotten where somebody really went off. The rest, I don't, you know, I no one else said anything about like nothing like that.

SPEAKER_01: 14:12

First, look, I got a lot to say about that guy, and I'm gonna say this. You're guilty as hell for reacting like that. All right. And look, if you want to be with someone, you're gonna have to know the good, the bad, the ugly, the interesting, the whatever. And if you're really serious about dating, no, people should ask the question. You know, have you committed felony, misdemeanors, or what sexual cooties you got? You know, you want to accidentally catch one when they mingle. I mean, come on. That's like, oof.

SPEAKER_04: 14:45

And no one judging nobody. We just want to know. We want to know. And now it's like you see it now on TikTok. More people are talking about it now. It's being bought up more. Why? Because more people are getting the situation. You think about what happened in Houston, the HIV rate being so high and all these other things. Now it's it's out in the open. And so my car was kind of, even though the car gave me it out for like two, two and a half years now. I feel like, oh, it's before it was time, it's time at the time, but now everybody's talking about it on the TikTok. So, you know, it's interesting how that works.

SPEAKER_01: 15:18

Look, for those of you who are ready for a real relationship, I'm just gonna say like this support her. Yeah, the dating assassins. And you know what? I'm gonna get it myself too. Because you know what? It's so risky. Yeah, write a review for it.

SPEAKER_04: 15:34

It's like a psychological thriller. It's a psychological thriller movie. That's what I call it.

SPEAKER_01: 15:39

I want to know what this guy was complaining about. I I bet I'm gonna find something interesting. I said, ooh, and no one means I always ask these these kinds of questions.

SPEAKER_04: 15:46

And I'm I've done it before the card game came out. Like, and nobody, I mean, I guess because I attracted people that was kind of blunt like me, maybe in a way, because I'm like quiet blunt. You wouldn't expect me to be blunt. But and I went on dates even before I had the card games created. I asked somebody that, and they answered, and and that was that. So if they lie, they lie. But that they answer the question. So it's like you can blame it on the game now. You say it was the game that did it, you know? So now you got. I don't care. Look, I'll stand 10 toes. I don't need a game to blame, but I'm saying for some people, you might need it.

SPEAKER_01: 16:19

Especially those who hate accountability made true. No, it is. No, it is hilarious. I'm I'm trying not to laugh.

SPEAKER_04: 16:26

I was like, I'm trying to just oh man, I laugh it all the time. It's a social experiment.

SPEAKER_01: 16:35

Yeah, I just say you need to be brave if you want to really participate and get the full experience. If you just answer, oh, have you dated before? No. Have you had SCDs? Well, I just say I never dated. Well, you know, you get certain diseases spite needle injections. So that doesn't require sex.

SPEAKER_04: 16:53

So that too, yeah. So you're answering, and so that's why I make a choice. Do you have a doctor? Some people don't date. There was one lady on this dating show, I think it's called Pop the Balloon or one of these shows. She was standing ten toes down saying, if you don't go to the doctor and stuff like that, like just to in general, just to get your cholesterol check and all that. She says, She don't only want to date you. So one of my questions is, hey, do you have a primary care doctor? Do you care about your health? Because what if I'm a health person and you don't give a shit? We're not gonna work out. We might not work out because if I want to eat healthy and be healthy and get my cholesterol checked, you might die at 50 years old because you ain't worked doing, you ain't even getting your blood drawn to see if you got cholesterol issues and stuff. So those are things that's gotta be asked.

SPEAKER_01: 17:34

You know, I and I did see one clip about uh a woman, and so far she sounded reasonable and everything, but by the time she asked the men for their ages, all involuntarily gave it. And by the time but what the question was took to her, she refused to answer it. She verbally danced around it, and all the men popped, popped the balloons. They said, We're not interested in you. So I don't know what else you could be hiding. You know what? I'm gonna be honest. I I'm with the guys on this one. I don't go by gender. Look, if the man is a piece of piece of shit, I'm signed with the woman. I don't I don't believe that, you know, that that gender loyalty, all that garbage. I just go by what's right and wrong. And that's gender neutral people. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 18:18

Yeah, who, yeah, there's some women as well too, and I don't agree with them neither.

SPEAKER_01: 18:22

So it's crazy. Yeah, so if you believe, if you believe men are always right or women's always right, or the non-binary is always right, there's something wrong with you. Okay, yeah, something's wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 18:34

But you know, yep.

SPEAKER_01: 18:36

And that's gender bias. I'm just gonna say, like it is, it's just gender bias.

SPEAKER_04: 18:40

Yeah, like I'm just going with it.

SPEAKER_01: 18:41

Hate me all you want, talk bad about me on Reddit, talk bad about me on Reddit all you want. That's fine. I don't care. You say, Oh, let's go. Lots of politically high tech. Yeah, Reddit, yeah. Reddit, Reddit, Reddit loves Tarant. I love Reddit. I do agree. You know, I haven't been there in a while because I'm just a very busy person. Yeah, I got better things to do, Reddit, but you can talk about me. You know, let me live for free in your head.

SPEAKER_04: 19:05

Well, I don't know why they talk about you. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 19:07

No, no, they haven't yet. They haven't. But if they do, thank you. I I love YouTube. That's all I'm gonna say. That's right.

SPEAKER_04: 19:15

That's a good thing.

SPEAKER_01: 19:16

No, yeah, no, I you know, this is so you already, yeah, you already answered my second question. What was the response? You've been positive, you know you got a few of them walling out. That's okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is good. This is good. Because no, this is good. I said free flowing. I don't, I, I, if anything, I pivot, I pivot and I skip some questions because it's already been answered. Yeah, so you already answered by the response, it's been positive. Even though there's a few people walling now, I love those. So that that answers that. And then anything else you want to add about this spicy of the game before we move on.

SPEAKER_04: 19:52

I just want to say if you do get the game, just leave a freaking review because I'm I'm all self-invested. I'm not going to, I don't have 10 people with me putting up money. This is all my own. So that's why it's hard for me to run ads every day. You know, like some of the big some I've been compared to Cards Against Humanity, and they have there was like four tech bros that created that. They all had money that working together. I'm by myself. So I just it's just great if people leave reviews and help me get out there into the algorithms.

SPEAKER_01: 20:21

No, listen, support a sister, come on. She's doing alone, and guess what? The game, the the design looks good for someone who's doing solo. Come on. Uh cards against humanity is just what? Black and white cards, black and white text. Come on. Plain. And I have and I'm uh this is coming from the owner of Cards Against Humanity. It's a good game, but sometimes uh if the people are boring and forget it, they're just on the game.

SPEAKER_04: 20:45

Yeah, depending on the person. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01: 20:48

It depends what cards you got, too. And you know, if sometimes you don't got good cards uh to generate the comedy. Me, I always I try to provide the most outrageous or comedic responses. If I can't do I'm just gonna throw a random thing. The question could be about what's the ugliest looking animal. I just throw a kitten in because that's all I got. That's the only thing that's animal whatever. So I lost a round. You know, but I think this one is more open-ended, you know. Cards against humanity is kind of inflexible in some ways, you know, and the design is very plain. You know, they they they put like practically zero.

SPEAKER_04: 21:22

Yeah, I like color, you know. And I noticed a lot of card games after mine came out. I'm gonna see a lot of red and black. I said, dang, you know, it's crazy, but I said it's all right. All the questions are different. It's like there's different bread in the store, so just get all the games, y'all. They're all different questions.

SPEAKER_01: 21:39

No, it's it's just people just, you know, support independent people. Come on, just you know, do you know this is not a Moulton Bradley or Hasbro and all them big companies. I got them board game. And guess what? Some of us, uh some of them are pretty stale, some are classic. I mean, I still love Monopoly, you know, even though it exposes the good, the bad, ugly of capitalism. Capitalism.

SPEAKER_03: 22:04

I didn't even know it when I was a kid, but yes.

SPEAKER_01: 22:08

Hey, I mean, you know, and um, well, there was a social there was a more socialist version of the game that never got popular and it was actually virtually canceled. Um, I think it should have came out. I mean, look, I'm I'm against socialism, but I think I I think it could have came out. Maybe you know it had an audience or something like that. I'm I'm I'm as free market as there's I'm not I don't know, just corporations just rigging on that. I don't know. I'm not a big fan of that, not a big fan of cancer culture. I'm not big fan.

SPEAKER_04: 22:37

Yeah, me neither. No, I'm not a big fan of that.

SPEAKER_01: 22:40

You know, just just letting just suppressing things because it's uncomfortable to many. What's the fear? I mean, it's like 200 different editions of Monopoly at this point. Some of it are ridiculous in my opinion. But hey, you know, it's just it's just again, I don't care about gonna sound repetitive. I'm gonna I'm gonna get this for sure. And I need to start restacking on more spicy games. So, and I'm gonna start testing people out on this, especially when I start having my social gatherings again. And I'm gonna see how much they avoid. I'm gonna keep a record. Oh, you avoid this particular question. There you go. See, that's what you do.

SPEAKER_04: 23:21

And yeah, no, I totally agree. I mean, I played this with even with my cousin and my aunt, and they they even answer questions. So, but they're also, you know, the they thought all the questions made sense to to answer. So yeah, anybody could you can play with family too because eventually I do want to make a game where it could be for everybody, but I have to get this one where it needs to be first before I can get to anything else. So before, you know, I don't know, it's a lot. I'm trying to do a tech game, card game too, so I can teach people some tech stuff. So it's a lot, but I need to get this game where it needs.

SPEAKER_01: 23:51

No, and I you're addressing a problem as big like dating is really destroyed, well, not destroyed, damage. So I think it was smart just to release this. Um in my opinion, I think it's a good decision. It's an informed one. Rather, you know, the the success is short-term or long term, but it was at least an informed good decision based on the trends because days went downhill, people don't want to have kids, we don't want to do this, you know. Maybe this could be the unlikely solution uh to this problem. And hey, and in a tech, yeah, a lot of people, and I think, you know, and I like I like that you do, you know, you I think, well, you multi- you're a multitasker, so I can't even judge there. I mean, I still have to do it.

SPEAKER_04: 24:30

I am multitasker.

SPEAKER_01: 24:31

Yeah, you are multitasker for sure. I the profile just capitalized. That's one of the few words I'm gonna describe multitasker. Renaissance, okay? I mean, this is not me just blowing smoke and kiss the butt. It's it's uh it's fact, and then it can be easily backed up. I have the receipts, people, if you want them. I mean, by some of I should have not lying though.

SPEAKER_03: 24:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 24:51

Look, if we this is just one part, this is just a card game. I mean, then now let's link it to the uh somewhat well, it's not gonna be born with her. The IT stuff, the technical stuff. I mean, how you got into that while you're still a music person and a social person.

SPEAKER_04: 25:11

Man, this came out of nowhere. So you know how someone say, Man, I wasn't even thinking about this, you know. Because when I was growing up, you know, first of all, I wanted to play basketball because I thought I was taller than everybody when I was in like elementary school and middle school. I was like, I don't play basketball, I'm gonna be Lisa Leslie. I didn't wasn't good at basketball. I mean, I could have been good, but I was just too shy, couldn't think, had ADHD, didn't know I had it. So then, so then after that, I I started singing and stuff to like when I was in daycare and stuff to the bullies and stuff. And I just was singing Ronald Isley and Kelly, what's her name? Not Kelly Clark, because she wasn't even out at the time, but what's her name? Kelly, she was a soul singer. So I used to sing Kelly Price. I sing her music, R. Kelly, all types of songs and stuff to get the bullies to stop bothering me. And I just, it was just like I said, this is what I meant to do then. But I didn't know how to make money music in it, how to make money in it, because my folks were healthcare professionals. They didn't know much about it. They just knew, man, a lot of people can sing, what you trying to do? Like, they're like look at me like I'm crazy. So as time goes on, I'm like doing this this music, trying to pursue it. I went to my first class with arts. Well, I went to Woodside High School Performing Arts, shout that out. I started there in ninth grade. I was able to get in because you had to get selected. So I was in advanced choir for four years, advanced acting for four years. So that was amazing. And I would sing at some talent shows, I would recite poetry, which I didn't know I could do poetry until then. And then after that, I was like, oh, if I didn't get a record deal by time in 12th grade, I lost or I'm a loser. But I didn't know nothing about the industry to know if I wanted a record deal. So then when I had when I finished high school, I hated school. So at that time, now I love school, now I love studying. But back then I hated it. I was like, man, I ain't going to no regular college. I was about to go to Clark. It was something in Georgia because we moved to Georgia towards my 11th grade year. I graduated at Dutchtown. And I still finished out with choir, Vance Choir and stuff, got a medal. And then I said, Let me go to Arn Stuana. Because then I can learn audio production. It was a lot of people saying, oh, well, you can just produce and make money. So you don't have to be broke while you're trying to be singers. I'm like, okay, but I didn't know crap about the Arn Souena. I didn't know about the money issues that it could ensue. I didn't know nothing. So I didn't even, I went there for a year, didn't even finish the Arn Souvelena because it wasn't, they weren't honest with anything about their the pricing and stuff. So a lot of people had to go to full sale. And I didn't want to go to full sale. I couldn't afford it. That's the day I got depressed. I was like depressed. I was 20 years old. I was depressed. I was like, man, my life's over. I ain't gonna be no singer. I ain't got no song. But then I think around that time I was meeting different people in the industry. So after I left high school and went to college, and after I left college, I was meeting a lot of people in the music industry and stuff. And I realized that I didn't want a record deal no more after that. I was like, what is going on? I've been through so much where they wanted me to be somebody I wasn't. And then I tried to be that. Like I tried to be this at the time, the popular singers that was out, be similar to them, but it just didn't work. And then also I had this confidence issue too. So that didn't work neither. But then I didn't like what they were saying. You know, I don't want somebody telling me, hey, you can be in this girl group, but you gotta live in this house and do this and that. Like I've seen I've I've seen so much. And are they want you to be the girlfriend or you know, so you can try to get here. And I just wasn't that desperate. And I wanted to prove people wrong at the time. I wanted to prove people wrong that said I wasn't gonna get there. But then it just wasn't worth me doing that. So when I got, so then after that, I just I just kept I still recorded music. I did my I created my first album at 23 years old, Limitless. Before that, I did Chocolate Man, which a fan from MySpace actually paid for that for me, sponsored for me to get Chocolate Man done. So I got that done. An actual Mariah Carey's producer on that one, one of her producers. And so Chocolate Man was one of my favorite hits. And I wrote Chocolate Man when I was in high school. I was 14 years old, and it came out, you know, later on. So I did that, and after that, what what happened? Okay, so then let me fast forward. So after that, I saw a lot of industry, didn't like it, didn't like what was going on. Then I said, you know what, I want to be a boss. I don't want somebody to own me. I realized I wanted freedom. I didn't know that. I thought singing was freedom, but it wasn't. You you still could be a paid side, a paid slave, and I didn't want to do that. So when I hit like 26, I was on Facebook one time and I was just looking around, you know, trying to figure out my life. And I saw this tech program saying, okay, if you completed, you know, one year or two years of school, you can go and join this tech program. So I joined the tech program and it was for Cisco certified network admin. I didn't know what the hell that was. I was like, you know, I said, dang, if I'm smart enough to do stuff, I hated school. I didn't do where well. I went there, finished, you know, it took me three months, nine to five. So I became a certified network admin. And I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I tried to get a job, I was trying to get a job as stuff as a network engineer. It was hard. I ended up moving to Cali. Yeah, I moved to Cali. And then I got a job in tech. So I started working at Help Desk. And I worked my way up because I wanted to, I wanted to move up. I wanted to make enough money because I said, well, I want to invest it into the music. And I want to get my own recording studio. So I'm not dependent on Joe or somebody for myself. Because I realized at that point I didn't want a record deal. I realized I didn't want somebody to own me. And I met other artists that was similar. So I did that and I started working my way up. And then I became monitoring engineers. So and monitoring engineer is like data engineering in a way. You're just making sure there's no bottlenecks or any issues in the with, you know, CPU, which is computers and server issues, like if the server's full, stuff like that. You're just checking stuff like that. Um, but you're monitoring it using a software. So it could be a software like, you know, Grafana's one of them, or SolarWinds, and you're just monitoring stuff. You're setting up alerts to let people know when something's going down. So, and sometimes you're running scripts now, you know, you can run little codes and stuff like Python scripts, PowerShell scripts. So I started getting into that, and I and I like that because I wasn't always at the desk with help desks, you're always at desk. Now it was still good money in help desk. You can make really good money, but I wanted to be more free. I wanted to be able to go to the bathroom and ping out my dog, do something else. So that's why I said, okay, I got I got put into this monitoring engineer thing. And sometimes when you get put in one thing in tech, it's hard to get out. You know, it's hard to like jump into cybersecurity or jump into this. And so, you know, that's where I'm at now. I know that took a long time to get to that point, but I had to get to, I had to get to tell you the little journey.

SPEAKER_01: 31:32

No, no, don't worry about that. It's free-flowing. Any future guests is free-flowing. I don't manage, I don't like doing that. I want to know who you are with minimum interruptions. That's how I roll. And especially those who are regular listeners, you know how how I do. I only introduce I see if it's going way off the rails in my standards, and that's a very high threshold. I mean, if you're talking about like Barney and okay, okay, what the heck does Barney have to do with this? Let's go back. Let's go back. But no, that's not the case. You know, it takes a journey because it's just you've got all this creative talent that's let's be honest, not normal on IT. A lot of them are just computer geeks, mathematics, science, scientific backgrounds, and they sold us some of them. I'll be honest, some of y'all sold us. I've interviewed a few of y'all as well.

SPEAKER_02: 32:32

That's probably closer to angry that they get. Oh, go on.

SPEAKER_04: 32:36

They're so following the book that sometimes they don't find the issues because they're they're not left and right brain. Like I'm left and right brain. So it's like I can see how to make like I could just figure out different rays around things. That's what they call neurodivergent people now. But but yeah, I mean, when someone's so stuck on one way, they can't. That's why they you see a lot of stuff going down with tech that's not working out with all these alleged smart people because they're not they're not seeing outside the box. They're stuck one way.

SPEAKER_01: 33:02

Well, and that's what makes you stand out because you got the creative side, you got the analytical, so they're all working well together. While one of them, they got the analytical side on 2000, and the creative side is uh doesn't even exist. I mean, question I'm sure it exists, but it's not working. It's not working. Um, it's at 2% at best. And and it's hard to fire up the rest. I mean, look, the left look, I was very left-brained until I exercised. I actually got some right brain capability, especially figuring out problems. That's what it really came. So wait a minute. I'm thinking about one, two, three. No, maybe we gotta get out. No, maybe it's not none of that. Maybe we gotta no, I'm thinking it. I I it took me some time, but I I realized I was more creative than I thought because of the colors and all this. Wait a minute. Maybe it's this kind of issue. Especially like troubleshooting like podcast scheduling. So, no, no, wait a minute. If I can make myself more flexible, great, you know, things like that. Yeah, that's the thing I've got to do. I think I gotta exercise. Yeah, the podcast scheduling, or you know, I I learned I was actually more creative than I thought, which I was actually happy because I thought I was gonna be one of those smart nerds that just stick to all analytics and one, two, three, A, B, C has it be that or nothing else. Oh, some screwed. No, so I'm happy. I actually got some creativity in the person. I was okay, that's that's good. I think that's as a kid, it was already kind of out there, and I suppressed that just at the analytical one. So I could be a uh you know the smart person, so to speak. So now that's my own little struggle that I don't get to suck about. But you know, I think just people gotta be curious, introspect, learn about yourself. So just thinking you could just be just this box, be this nerd. No, maybe you're a militant, maybe you could be a kick-ass nerd, you know. Maybe, you know, maybe you could knock somebody out. You know, maybe maybe you know we're we're a combination of things.

SPEAKER_04: 34:51

We're not just yeah, everything's made up, anyways. Yeah, everything's made up. So if someone's doing several different things, they're not a bad person or scatter brain, not all of them. It's just that that's just how they're wired, and and it's nothing wrong with that. I just that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_01: 35:07

Oh, yeah, exactly. And you you know, I think when definitely more IT people like Sequoia here, instead of just these robot people who just got no personality, type, bruh. I said, I just treat you like a machine. Once you are once you don't work, I'll just throw you out because you you're not gonna be fun. You're not gonna be at least human. That's I don't got time for this. And I ain't gonna lie, as a New Yorker, I I I get angsty pretty quickly once I don't see certain things work working if I see if I'm putting too much effort and there's not enough return. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 35:40

Yeah, nobody got time for that.

SPEAKER_01: 35:42

Exactly. Oh, yes. Oh, my throwback days. I missed that lady. Miss that lady.

SPEAKER_04: 35:48

Yeah, that's why I like working remote. Keep me remote. I don't want to be in office. I can't be in office ever again. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_01: 35:55

So my day job, I'm a bit both. I'm a bit both. And to be honest, I before I couldn't stand working from home, but now that has shifted completely. Now I can't stand office because all these fake people and just say like that. I I can say choice to use.

SPEAKER_04: 36:10

Yeah, just I just like chilling at the crib, being my own energy, and then work. That's what I like.

SPEAKER_01: 36:17

No, yeah, no. I, you know, I got my little I got my little setup, I got my little ambience music, or I can just sneak into political bull crab, is pay attention to spicy stuff, I won't get in trouble, and and spicy doesn't mean I'm left ring or right wing because I'm a registered independent of the day. They both crazy in my opinion. Well, hey, that's why that's why I'm at. Look, I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, I don't discriminate that. I discriminate crappy character. That's where my discrimination is at. Crappy character.

SPEAKER_04: 36:46

And talking about tech, creativity, and working from home.

SPEAKER_01: 36:50

Yeah, no, we Yeah, oh yeah, there you go. I was working from home. And I actually I have become a proponent of working from home. And honestly, I I I love for the most part. The only one bad thing I need to address is I'll just be really honest. I can be very lazy at times, but I just don't want to get up. That's my that's my issue. But other than that, um, it's it's a great thing. That's the only thing I like about that's one thing I'm gonna say. Yeah, really, I'm gonna be able to offer sometimes. But uh other than that, other than that, I there's a lot more benefits than than drawbacks, in my opinion. So that's all I'm gonna say about that. I don't know you can come here listening to me about remote and all that. No, you're fine.

SPEAKER_03: 37:30

You're fine.

SPEAKER_01: 37:31

Oh, yeah, no, no, for free, I'm fine. Some of these listeners are picky. I want to hear about other stuff. No, um yeah, yeah, someone could be picky. But uh other than that, all I gotta say is look, I like to bring guests. See, these are kind of guests I've been looking for. Those who are different, those who challenge stereotypes and normal thinking. And these are kind of people I like. Not just those who just, you know, status quo people. No, that makes me liberal in some ways, but uh instead of just oh, yeah, do everything the boss says, well, if that's the case, why some companies are falling apart? Well, you're doing what the boss says.

SPEAKER_04: 38:11

I mean, it's a lot, yeah. And then with the whole AI implementation, they don't even know how to really use it. So they're firing all these people, and then you leave somebody to use AI software that don't know how to use it. So it's a lot going on in tech that you just wouldn't even know. You know, it's it's just weird. It's like okay. And you can say, I mean, a lot of the people that are in high up position, they don't really know the tech. So you can go in there and say holla doodle linky doodle. They don't know. They don't even know it. So I mean, I'm not saying, you know. Personality is sound and smart is is is is one thing, and that's what I feel like tech can be like in a way. I mean, I think the only thing is the the coding, the coding interviews, you might can get caught there, but even there, the it depends on who's doing the coding interview. So it's just weird because I just never would have expected this, expected this in my my life, like when I got in tech. I just thought everybody would be on. Like, I didn't know. It's it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01: 39:12

Yeah, now me, I say I got some I got some tech experience. I'm not a tech um worker by any means of the imagination, but I figure out some of my tech issues that customer service people can't even figure out. You think that's and some some of y'all should be fired, um in my personal opinion.

SPEAKER_04: 39:26

Yeah, they only hire they hiring certain people, so they don't, you know, you know, I stand out, you know, in tech all the time, you know, because I just feel like people think that I'm trying to be the boss or step on your feet. I'm not. It's just I mean, I if I know something, I'm gonna tell you, but I'm gonna do the work. But sometimes people they don't like that.

SPEAKER_01: 39:47

So they're saying you're difficult to work with, you're not a culture fit, as co-workers say they wanna they wanna nicely throw you out already. You know, these these corporate correct terms.

SPEAKER_04: 39:59

Love hate. Yeah, love hate too. Like they don't want you to go, but they'll treat they'll just mess with you, but they don't want you to go. They won't fire you. You're just stuck there. They because they know you're good, and then they'll just they'll just mess with you. You know, while you're still there, it's like, well, just fire me then, you know. It's a lot you gotta go through when your person of color rising up the ranks ain't further ain't faint of heart. It's not so when people be like trying to be cool and say a title, I'm this engineer, you know, that's cool for certain people, but for me, it's like I'm I'm surviving is this engineer every day, trying not to, you know, poke the bear, but also you have to do your work at the same time. You can't be meek and quiet because then they're like, Well, you ain't so you gotta know how to walk that fine line. It's like a game, like I said, a social experiment. So it's one of those things where you have to know how to do that, and and it, especially if you're someone of color, and and that's one of the hardest things.

SPEAKER_01: 40:51

Oh, yeah, absolutely. No, absolutely. You know, I think you said so well, social experiment. Yeah, a job is such a social experiment. You yeah, I understand that. Yeah, that's a that's the line I personally walk with. Look, I'm not liked, but they know they need me because I solve problems that most people can't. And you know, and and I sometimes I'm very vocal. I'm surprised I've ever been fired, by the way. But as a luck thing, I don't recommend you do that, people. I'm just saying, just don't, just don't. This is like, you do I say don't do what I do kind of thing. Um you can say it's hypercritical, that's fine. There's a comment section. Have your little Reddit moment, express your anger. Just remember YouTube cancels you. Rumble, wait for this again on Rumble, then you can say all the spicy stuff you need.

SPEAKER_04: 41:32

I forgot about Rumble.

SPEAKER_01: 41:35

No, Rumble, I'm surprised Rumble was stuck around because a lot of competitors against YouTube, they fell apart quick. It was what Vitney, there was all these other stuff that they fell apart. They fell apart because they there wasn't the you're right, and you already said this before about they have the marketing and definitely the potential just stuff like that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04: 41:57

That marketing is obese because just because somebody has money doesn't mean they know how to run ads. So I learned that too. Like, just because somebody has the money, they could still be so lost on how to run ads, and then you go pay somebody else and they may not even know what they're doing, then you're stuck. So it's like one of the things that I had to do was take a course to learn how to run ads. And it's expensive though to run the ads, but dang it, at least I know the information. So when I get the money, I can run the ads. As simple as that. And it does work because I took that course.

SPEAKER_01: 42:24

So level up, people, level up. Gotcha. You know, they go you use they go little game term, level up, level up your your strategy and your ad utilization, or not just spend a million dollars blindly just hoping something will stick.

SPEAKER_04: 42:40

Yeah, or paying somebody you don't know, because you don't know if they can, you know, they could tell you a big game, but you don't know. So that's why I said you just gotta, you know, like I think David Banner said you're you're a slave to what you don't know. And it's like that's why certain things I do have to know. Some things I can probably delegate, but the marketing part, I have to do that. Unless that person has proven and I've seen their works, I I just can't just go and give somebody money. And that's what I learned.

SPEAKER_01: 43:06

And the same thing I want to say about politicians. Look at their track record, not their beautiful speeches. Because sometimes they don't match. They do not match. So stop a phone full of words salad or their beautiful speeches. Look, they could sound just as good as Obama. But their track record is like, I'm gonna bash them, you can think I'm Republican, but I don't like Trump either. Joe Biden on some things, okay? There's a problem.

SPEAKER_04: 43:33

So I just don't think what you're saying is and I'm just and I'm devil's advocate because I think that the billionaires are running the world anyway. So I I really I just that's who's running it. So even if some president comes in and got the biggest heart in the world, they can't, they're not in charge. If they can do certain things. Now, they're in charge if the if the billionaires like what they're saying, then they're in charge. Like they can get stuff done carte blanc. But if somebody comes in and want to do the right thing, it's gonna be opposition, opposition, opposition, because the billionaires is who's running the ish. Well, you know, they took down that documentary about the Cock brothers, the Koch brothers, which was on uh Hulu. I don't even know where it is, but if you watch the Koch brothers, they've done they're billionaires and they put a lot of money into the government to do what they want. So it just until that changes, that we're in trouble, regardless of who's in there. That's and that's just me.

SPEAKER_01: 44:23

No, you're right. I I've said this before. So look, voting Democrat, Republican, that's very, that's very pea brain. You're gonna have Blue Wall Street or Red Wall Street. Wall Street's still there. They they control it. Look, if they push, if they or they're letting certain things slide, you gotta question why are they letting this slide, this policy slide, but not this one? Why they're against this policy? Ooh, it would attack somebody 20% across the board. And I and I agree with that. This is why I became independent. I realized they both were wacky. And look, I saw as a very moderate Democrat, and I was a moderate Republican. I realized that both parties were crazy. I said, you know, I don't have to say dependent, because yeah, both crazy. Well, anybody Yeah, both are corrupted.

SPEAKER_04: 45:02

Yeah, they are. I mean, I you know, when when I voted for Kamala, I just I just voted because I knew that with Trump, I knew that he was gonna go against my own interests because and other people, even though I am trying, I am capitalist in my own way because I am trying to make money and help other people, but also I knew that, hey, if he takes away my health care and take away my benefits that I need, then I lost. Now, if I'm somebody rich like Beyonce, then that doesn't matter. It's like whatever. But even though she she cares too, but I'm just saying, if I was, I could be that way. But I'm not. So now I'm like, okay, I don't like everything about either person, but at the same time, who's gonna take away my benefits and the things that I need? And Trump is one of those people that's trying to take that away. And so I don't want, I just don't, I just don't want that. And I didn't want that for someone else. So You know, yep.

SPEAKER_01: 45:52

No, I no, that I understand. That's why I'm kind of like a voter guy. Look, if you like benefits and all that, you know what party, you know, like healthcare and all that, that's Democrats. You care about your gun rights and all of that. That's generally reported.

SPEAKER_04: 46:05

And the crazy thing is yeah, because gun guns need to go. Okay, they don't even allow guns in certain countries because what happened is people are trigger-happy, they got mental issues, and all this is not checked. And so, and I was watching a movie yesterday, and this guy, time somebody came on his land, he had this gun ready to shoot. And eventually he shot and killed a dude that was his friend. And he wasn't because he wasn't, he was just so ready to shoot, like gun happy, and he didn't know, he just didn't know any better, and he shot his own friend. So it's those things are real things that are happening. I mean, so I'm just like, just take that, take it away because of that reason. Because it's just too many people get angry and they just trigger happy, and there's just no way to to to validate it.

SPEAKER_01: 46:46

Oh, yeah, no, that one that that guy, you know, he he he he he should be arrested. He he committed a murder right there. Let me just be clear. Um, this is comfort for someone who even supports 2A to some degree. You're in a rule by yourself, you ain't got nobody, go have a gun. But if you in a city, you shouldn't be having a gun. Only professionals should be using guns. So I have a very moderate position. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm I'm for guns and all that, but I think education seems to be needed, and definitely we need some, we definitely need some level of uh say gun control. There gotta be some more laws. Um yeah, I'm like, I'm I'm more in the center. So I don't want to take all the guns away, those who will be responsible, but that particular guy, no, no, that that's gotta go.

SPEAKER_04: 47:26

No, me he's because some people got shot up like recently, you know, like the guy pulled up recently, I think it was in, I don't know where it was, and pulled up to a boat and just started guns are blazing. Like, I'm like, what is he doing? So, and then somebody got shot in the church or some type of Mormon church. So it's just it's just too many people getting shot up. So I'm just like, man, I mean needs to go or something for now until y'all figure out something, until they figure out something. Because oh boy.

SPEAKER_01: 47:53

And uh it's sad. And even like even the weed. Go ahead. Yeah. Hold on, go. Well, I want to hear about this.

SPEAKER_04: 48:00

No, I was just gonna say something about weed. So basically, the weed now is not regulated like it was. So it's like, let's say you go get a gummy bear in Vegas, you know, you can go to the weed store and stuff. The gummy bear now is too strong. So you don't know what the heck you're getting. It used to be regulated to the point where you just get you can have a whole gummy bear and you're okay, everything's fine. Now it's like it's so strong, you can't, you can't even, it it's it's bad. And it's because of the new laws now, you know, the the it's stronger now. So it's just certain things are changing so much where it's something that used to be great, and now that's small, a small thing, but it's not small at the same time because people use that for health reasons, all types of stuff. So I said, and I even told the girl there one time. I told the lady I was working there at the weed star, I said, you know, this is I told her, this is um a lot stronger than what it used to be. What's going on? She said, I know. So she even knew she's a bud tender and all that, so she knows, so it's crazy. I was like, Yeah, the food's not regulated no more neither. So we all effed up. That's what I'm saying. That's what I said, right? Voting certain people in is is is is is could be deaf. Because more people are getting sick now. They're trying to hide the COVID stuff. Dude, COVID is bad. I read, so you know, a lot of people, you know, don't read stuff, but I read a lot and I'm seeing stories and it adds up. People are sick from long COVID. They're trying to say COVID not there. I mean, I can go on and on about this, but I'm just telling you that voting around personnel, we could be back in a pandemic. Let's put it this way. Because that's where we're going. Because there's stuff out there they hiding, and it's coming. It's coming.

SPEAKER_01: 49:31

It's coming. Oh, yeah. No, the all the slash, the aggressive flashes happening across the border, federal government. Yeah, no, it is. I mean, some of the the diseases that we eradicated, they pop right back up. I wonder why. I wonder why. It doesn't take a genius to figure this stuff out. I'm not a scientist. We though I was supporting the funding and all and all of this. I said, no, I said about 10% RFK. RFK was like the most mixed-back person he picks up. So I can see some good, but once he goes that conspiracy theory route, we are cooked.

SPEAKER_04: 50:03

Yeah, you know, yeah, no, no, yeah. Like you gotta let people do what they do. And I'm not saying that someone can't research and study things like I can or you can, but I feel like let the doctors do their job, bro. Like they, that's what they do and stuff. And that's why in the past, black people dropped from the plague and died like thousands of people because there was no vaccines or nothing. Now people want to, if they want to kill, I'm telling you, if the government wants to kill you, they'll put it in your oatmeal. They, which they did do, by the way. There's a story. They put it in the Quakers oatmeal in the black community and got them vent sick. So if they want to kill you, don't worry. They don't need the vaccine, my guy. They could put it in your oatmeal, which they're doing probably. Put it in your chick, your Popeye's chicken. You know, you're going to get you. All that people was trying to get that thing on chicken sandwich. You probably got radioactive disease, my friend. And I didn't do it because I thought something was up. I was like, hell no, I ain't going over there. They're lolly. I was like, what's going on with that chicken sandwich? So I'm thinking that way. They ain't got to get you with a vaccine, buddy. You know, you go put in your chicken sandwich, which they're doing.

SPEAKER_01: 51:01

Oh, this is spicy. I like this. This is spicy text. Hey, rather you agree with it or not, it's a compensation. Yeah, I know. I kind of did. I kind of did.

SPEAKER_04: 51:13

I usually don't talk about this.

SPEAKER_01: 51:15

This is I never talk about it. No, oh, don't worry. This is this is not going to the kids, that's for sure. This is gonna be just to the maybe, maybe the teens all that you you you you you you could outswell on your parents and they'll find it. They'll they'll find it. And they will. Listen, you're right. If the government wants to take us out, they'll some they'll do something far more efficient and slick than the vaccine. And you know, and they have done on birth control, what's the other minorities? Oh, in Puerto Rico, they said this magic pill will bring you freedom. Why do you think now PR has a fertility issue? Yeah, for back then, yeah, in the 1960s, they were experimented on. So you're not you're not wrong. You're not wrong. I know this is scary for some of you. If you know, you know, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04: 52:01

Yeah, you bet you better stay, you know. That's what woke really means. Woke doesn't mean the EI and all this. Woke means you're aware of what's going on in the world. That's what woke means. But they changed the definition of woke to DEI and women and all that stuff. That's not what woke was originally made for. Like, but some people might disagree on that, but that's what I used youth woke for, was to stay aware.

SPEAKER_01: 52:26

Oh, yeah. No, there's two definitions. There's the one you mentioned the original definition of that, and then there's the political definition. Well you said it's DEI and the diverse equity question. I was more critical of the political and the execution of it. I said, I think it's a good idea. It's just I think the dilitation can be better. I don't want to abolish it. I think it could work, but I just don't think corporations should be doing that. Because look, they they already tossed it away when it was inconvenient. And I'm this doesn't surprise me. Yeah. What do you think they're gonna do when they're losing money? They're gonna throw it out. They care about the green, the green, green came about.

SPEAKER_04: 53:02

Yeah, it's classism, you know, because I said, you know, everybody's on racism, but remember, classism is cut is here too. So it's like you might think you're in the crowd. If you if could push come to shove, the rich gonna care about the rich. They don't care about you. Bye-bye. You're poor. It's classism. If you look at the old UK movies and the US movies in the 1800s, it was all about class. They didn't even want to hang out with poor people. So, and it didn't matter what race you were, you know, it they just weren't gonna hang out. And that's where we're at now. People act like we all should be to just work together so we can change the system. Just change this pyramid system. Because that's what it is, a pyramid.

SPEAKER_01: 53:37

No, well, you heard her political takes. I was not playing, by the way, but hey, I'm not gonna be able to do that. Oh, yeah, that was not planned, y'all. Listen, I allow that, I allow that. Nope, don't ain't no oops. I I love it, Jack. I think it was genuine. Look, and it this is the thing I'm gonna say to future guests. If you're a tech or development kind of guest, no, if you're political guests, no, you must talk politics on throw you out. There's no safe for you. But if you're a tech in development, you that's up that's entirely up to you. That I have tech guests talk about politics before, you're not the first one. And the other guests I'm gonna give a shout out to Dr. Josh Carabajo. He's a good man, he he talked about that. And you know, he was he was challenging me a bit. I was like, you know, I'll say, you know what? And you know, he's Latino, gay, and all that. And but I you know, I'll just say, you know, I say I understand what you're saying. The woke I was criticizing was the political woke with the DEI and all that. I just think I just think listen, it's it's it's caused some problems. I think it's a good idea, it should just be implemented better. But you know, I you know, rather you degree disagree, I don't have the all the answers, so I'm happy, you know, I'm open to hear.

SPEAKER_04: 54:45

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I think I think DEI was put in place because a lot of people that are in charge are are white males, and they're gonna hire who they're comfortable with hiring. So it's not that that person isn't educated enough or not, it doesn't even matter. It's just that I like Chucky because I know Chucky, I'm comfortable with Chucky. We talk about games together, so they're gonna hire Chucky. And Chucky may not even be the strongest candidate, but and that's what I'm saying is too, you know, because even at like I'm I hate saying the game, I hate saying the name of the company, but even at Ryan Games, when I was there, I noticed that even some white guys didn't fit in with the other white guys. So if you weren't the the white guy that was like the other white guys, you was X'd out too. So it's it's all about that boys' club, and and that's what they called it the boys' club. I mean, the other companies I work at, everybody was cool. That was the only company I've seen a difference at where it was like, oh, you know, but when you're working in the hospital industry, it's a little bit different. There were different people there. But that was the only time I noticed, I was like, oh, so that's why DEI came about, because you're hiring who you're comfortable with, and may and that person may not be that you could have maybe found a better person, or you could just be open to different opinions for different roles, which and they actually told me they they hired me because of that they wanted to stop hiring the same type of person. So it it's so it's it's one of those things, and so that's what happened. And I think that that's why they did it. I mean, I think if you a dog, you a dog, you're gonna get a job, you're gonna get in, whether you're black or white, whatever. If you're a dog and keep going, you'll get in. But I do think that's it did help people get in that otherwise wouldn't have been able to get in, no matter where they went. It's just it's just one of those things. I mean, if it should we shouldn't have to say DI, it should just be like, hey, let's let different people work here. That's all you gotta say. Let's let, you know, e Elias work here is a podcast host. He's different. Let's let's let's switch it up besides the same people. That's all we're at. That's all they were asking. That's it.

SPEAKER_01: 56:37

Oh, yeah, and that's the thing. That's why I criticize even the left with this completely correct these terminologies. I said, Listen, just say hire people from different backgrounds. You know, if you want to vote use the skin color, I get it. It's gonna sound racist. I I get that song. Look, hire people with different backgrounds or unconventional backgrounds, you can use different terms. So just say, oh, as we as a bike pock, you can include bike pock if you want. You know, that stands for people, black, indigenous, people of color. That's that whole thing stands for. And, you know, and look, I'm for I say organic, natural diversity. That's just my ideal world.

SPEAKER_04: 57:15

Um get that.

unknown: 57:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:18

Well, how you really want to bring someone who's different, who's gonna challenge a status quo, and make the company spend. And those companies who manage to do that, they grow.

SPEAKER_04: 57:27

They do better.

SPEAKER_01: 57:28

They do better. I've seen it. If you if you stick to the old ways, why do you think Blockbuster is now down to one store in Oregon? See?

SPEAKER_04: 57:36

It's all and and and Netflix went to Blockbuster trying to tell them to jump on. And Blockbuster was like, nah, that's stupid. Why somebody want that? Blah, blah. And Netflix kept going. Now it took Netflix 15 years to do it, but they did it. You know, that's why I said tell people don't give up on what you're trying to do, because it could take time for, and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing all the time. Yeah, I mean, that gotta be able to move with the times.

SPEAKER_01: 57:58

Yep, and then Blockbuster, you know, that's a classic, you know, like what we like to call a boomer example. Oh, we've done that way over 20 years. Why should we change? Remember, remember Kodak. There was that was the name of picture taking. Well, ever since this device for taking pictures, whoo, forget it. That went by.

SPEAKER_04: 58:17

Just forget it. Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 58:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 58:19

So innovation.

SPEAKER_01: 58:20

Adapt. Yeah, innovation adaptability is the strongest trait a human has. If you don't utilize that, you are out the door for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 58:30

So that's why I told somebody the other day, you're continuously studying. I told another tech person that I was speaking to. I told her, you're gonna continuously be studying because she was stressed out saying, Why do I always have to know all this? I said, it's never gonna end. It's gonna you gotta keep studying forever.

SPEAKER_01: 58:43

It'll be a lifelong learner until you until you're dead. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. If you want to learn, just retire, not really, or just get another job. You got a choice.

SPEAKER_03: 58:56

You yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 58:57

Yeah. For sure. Let me just talk about actually no. Let me I have this bad habit. Anything else you want to add before I jump to the whole abstract soul thing? Because we want I would definitely talk about that.

SPEAKER_04: 59:10

No, no, you're good. I can jump into abstract.

SPEAKER_01: 59:12

You know, you already mentioned before about you know getting to the music industry that they want the you to be a copycat, a fake, I don't know, be the next. Let's throw a name in there. I don't know, next Mariah Carrie or Ave Levine, wherever the hat. Yeah, or the next Nicki Minaj or whoever, right? Or successful female stars. I mean, what inspired you to come up with that? Is this your way of just being independent and carving your own path?

SPEAKER_04: 59:39

Well, yeah, it is because I mean, I remember one time I was in college and I had my song, If you want me to stay, which I did a remake of the Slying Family Stones song, If You Want Me to Stay, but I changed the lyrics. And it was doing well on MySpace. I remember this record exec from Bad Boy AR told me that I was an Orthodox ZF. He told me I was an Orthodox F. He didn't want me to, he didn't understand why people. Was listening. He didn't understand. He didn't understand. Like, what the hell is this? But and I it stayed in my mind as time went on. And I realized that I just want to be a Van Gardage type. I want to just do what I want to do. Because the point of doing music was for me to escape the norm, the mundane of life, which, you know, you grow up, you see your mom go to work, go to bed. Go to work, go to bed, date, whatever. I don't know. I didn't want that. So I thought that that's what I was ex I was trying to escape that. And so I said, okay, that means I just gotta be the boss then. That's what that's what that means, because it just wasn't working. And then I was getting, I was kind of resenting music. I was like getting. So that's when I decided to create my own genre, abstract soul, where it's not just you can't, you know, always pinpoint it. I'm always gonna have a soulful voice. That's just me. But like I can always change my style. If I want to do a verse a certain way, if I want to do four verses and then a chorus, I'll do it. If I want to do one verse and then a chorus I'll do it. If I want to do no chorus, then I do it. Like I just wanted to, and even Michael Jackson said before he died, he wanted to do something different. He wanted to change music. And I felt like it's so inspired seeing that old videotape like 10 years ago that it pushed me to do abstract soul to tell to show people hey, I'm not just this one person and that I'm gonna I'm gonna push for different styles and hope other artists can follow suit and be their true selves and enjoy their music and stuff. And yeah, so that's why I call it abstract soul, because it's just it's like alternative soul, but I just made up abstract because I just feel like I want to do my own thing. So that's how that came.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:31

Keep people guessing because abstract is just you can interpret as multiple ways. Oh, can it be fucking it'd be this, can't be that. I mean, that keep it going. And you know, I just keep doing that because that now I can find now I definitely found new music to my personal Spotify playlist. So go and support that people. There's just this is another call to action. No one don't do two, but yes, because this is what I'm gonna do forever.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:56

Like music is something that's like a calling. You know, some people do music because they're trying to make quick money or they want to look cool. I'm doing it because like a calling. So it's something I'm gonna do forever. You know, it's just in and I like you know being behind the scenes with it, just sharing it on the streaming platforms. And, you know, I I haven't performed much lately, but I I may do that in the future. But I just like I just like putting it out there and let people hear it. And you know, in 2080, though some kids are gonna find my music and be like, oh, cool. So I just think that that's kind of exciting. Even I'm not gonna be here, but it's kind of cool to know you put something out there because even podcasting, you put it out there. Somebody's gonna find this video in 2080 and be like, yo, you know, I think it's so cool. It's an asset. Music is an asset. People try, they put music down so bad now because the music industry is just evil. Like they put artists, it's just hard to make money if you're not on tour in the little, you know, and I I don't, you know, I don't want to be on tour back to back because I'm gonna live, you know, and and that's why a lot of artists that was coming out here in Vegas and stuff doing their residency, a lot of them say they got sick or something like that, because they was tired. I feel like most of the time they're tired of performing every night. So you want to still, it's just it's just a way to own independent artists can find a way to own themselves, but you do you just have to put up your own money in it in it just more fruitful that way because and then you don't have to worry about someone on your butt all the time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:14

They're talking about burnout, and the one that the one that comes to mind was Pulse Malone when you was performing collapsed on stage.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:22

Oh, that one I didn't know about that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:23

Yeah, yeah. You know, he was a big star that came from you know YouTube. We then started YouTube, and he blew up and got big. And he collapsed on stage. I saw the fish. He didn't get enough sleep. He's he was probably overworked. But to your point, I I pictured that when you were saying because you want you don't want to be the next post Malone dropping on stage. You just collapse and you need to recover. Yeah, you had to cancel days of of performing because of that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:53

Yeah. I mean, back in the day, you know, somebody done a podcast on this a while back. You didn't have to perform a lot to do your music. You just made money because you sold that that vinyl or you sold those CDs and you don't have to really perform it much. But and that's what I liked about it. I like the I like being behind the mic personally and just because people think that if you're not performing, you're not doing music, but you are. Anytime you're recording, putting anything out online, or even just submitting to for a movie, which I want to get my songs into movies, you're still doing music. So don't let anybody think you're not doing music just because you chose not to perform, or you you know, or you just don't perform much. So that's what I had to learn too, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:27

Exactly. Just because it's not on everybody's faces. I was like, oh, what the hell is this crowd? I haven't I haven't heard her in ten years. Has she become irrelevant? I don't know. She's probably doing things behind the scenes, and you know, and all I I think I got one question saying, Oh, when you haven't why you haven't done podcasts in a while. So listen, I got other things to do besides podcasting. This is my second job.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:49

Yeah, podcasting is is yeah, it takes takes work. It's not it's some it's it's work to research guests and do this and that. It's not you know, that's why a lot of my episodes are solo. Like if you listen, my podcast, I'm barely having guests because it's so easy for me to just jump on and say, yo, this is what I read, this is what I learned about this book right now, it's what I learned. So my podcast is unorthodox too. I feel I realize I'm an unorthodox mofo in everything tech, music, and podcasting. Because my podcast is not normal.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:16

No, let's see. Which one do you have? I think the blue alchemist is one of them that you have. And look at she's a podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:22

Yeah, that's the this one. Yeah, that's just one. You know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:26

Yeah, no, check that out. Come on, follow her. Give her some support, people. Give her some support. Really?

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:32

That's another one right there. You already got the card game, you got the playlist, and there's a podcast as well. Come on, she's a real renaissance. Yep. How small you want? Why you want to change your skin white? I don't know. Look, either she's able to do that. Listen, she's not a human being from there. She's more like a like a hybrid chameleon or something like that. Um got those own kind of conditions, just you know, look, you want to do like crazy magic tricks? I mean, what? Come on, she deserves renaissance title. Sure. I'm not that talented. I realized I could talk well and you know, engage people, even though people say I was gonna be like a quiet nerd or push the right button.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:11

I think it depends on who you're around, who somebody's around is how much they talk. Because for me, I can be very quiet around certain people. And then some people I can just you can't shut me up. It just depends on who it is.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:20

Yeah, exactly. There's just some people that's so vain, so fake, I'm not gonna bother. I'm not gonna bother, wasting my time. And I got to a lot of debates with my own family. I said, Mom, I'm not talking to that person. That person's fake. So what do you want to know? I said, I and I even giving proof. Look what this person's done. Look what look no. This is why no. No, I I can't, I can't, I can't fake BSing for so long with with people. Um neither.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:42

I get stressed out, I have anxiety trying to. I can't do that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:45

Right. Well, I mean, I I either get real quiet and then that person continues to bother me while I'm giving me obvious signs. I even tell them a few times, I don't want to be bothered. Oh, I'm happy to explore, I'm happy to unleash. I'm happy to unleash those kind of people. Let me breathe, leave me alone, you'll be all right. But keep poking the spell, you're gonna get clogged. You know, and that part, that part.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:10

Don't keep and especially as you get older, you know, you you just don't take it no more like you used to. And that's how I I learned that. Then when I when I had turned 35, I said, which was yeah, I said, okay. I just turned, I mean, I just new person, you know, new person.

SPEAKER_01: 1:07:27

Oh yeah. So it's just don't if you want problems, just keep provoking me while I tell you I don't want to be bothered, so I'm good. Just let me recharge and then I'll be ready. I'll be ready. And that's that's how I know I could recover when I'm about to get stressed out, angry, or I just feel like I want to punch somebody already. I go, I just go somewhere where I don't want to be bothered. And I'll find a spot where it's harder to find me, and then I'll come out when I'm ready. And I say this because look, I know anxiety, stress, and all that's through the roof. You gotta find what works for you. Um, some of it could be running, you do, meditating, you know, or listening to her music. There you go, shamus plug-in.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:06

Yeah, yeah. Listen to my music, have a glass of red wine or some tea if you don't drink, get some tea, some some vanilla milk, and relax. That's just because she can relax you, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:19

Yeah, drink some mocktail. You know, you want to look like you're getting drunk, but you're not. This is a virgin treatment that looks like a cocktail. There you go. You know, you wanna BS a bit. Look, mocktail's a thing. I didn't I'm more team mocktail at this point because I was like, Oh, you still like alcohol? Yeah, yeah, I do. Yeah, it has none in there. Um, and then eventually they figure it out. I said, Why are you not drunk? I said, Well, it's a mocktail, you idiot. Come on, you should know my mocktail. Oh my god. You know, but hey, uh, you know, let me not get to our too much to my personal life. But you know, look, just find something that that relaxes you, okay? That that works for you. That's what I'm gonna say. And that's a little bit of the mindful, mindfulness, and spirituality, because look, a lot of things come at us every single day.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:05

And we're in spiritual week for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:08

Oh, absolutely. Every day is a spiritual war.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:10

It's a whole other topic, but oh yeah, no.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:13

That one, you know, especially if I that one, you know, of course, God willing, you return. We would definitely touch spirituality for next season. Um, because yeah, that's a whole nother thing. And I've dived into that a lot. I say I'm a practic, I'm practicing on that, and I think it's good for people. Look, we are spiritual beings. If you want to be atheists, you don't want to believe in it, that's up to you. But don't dare, don't dare get in my space when I'm being um spiritual. Don't you could talk bad about me a thousand miles away. I don't care. I'm not gonna listen to you, I'm not gonna seek that you're talking bad. You do you. I'm gonna do me. Because I know what it's like to be disconnected spiritually, especially as a teenager. I used to be depressed too. Because I lost my father. I even attempted suicide. I had the perfect plan. One problem is I didn't execute it until I heard a message. So you know, so and I was about to jump the roof. I was one step away from doing it until I heard a message from God. Real strong. And that was okay, not gonna do it. If it was anybody else talking me out of it, I would not have done if anything, I would have I would have done it faster. I don't want to hear it. Fake. I won't do that I can't deal with this anymore. This world's bull crap, blah, blah, blah, blah. Listen. And that's how I know there is higher power in this world, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm glad you're here. It is this race, and I was raised as a I was raised as a Catholic, but I didn't really believe half the a lot of the stuff that was being teached because I saw so much hypocrisy in the church. I said, people are supposed to do this, but yeah, I've seen him smacking and cursing and all of this. And as a young council putting two and two together, this is nonsense. This is not just like me and it's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:49

You have your own personal relationship.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:51

Exactly. And but they was making it to a communal indoctrination, and that's a big problem.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:56

Yeah, I don't like that. I don't do that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:58

Yeah, organized religion.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:00

Yeah, I don't do organized religion. I just do my own personal relationship with God. And I always get an answer. So, hey, somebody listening, they're happy with me because they'll give me an answer eventually.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:10

Yep. Look at that. Yep. That's you know, that's a little tease. That's a little tease of that's like the little breadcrumb spirituality that you're gonna get. Trust me, we already said so much, so much good stuff, so much fun too. It's I normally deliver fun, but I think it's like give or take. We both we both entertain each other, which is good. Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:29

I had so much fun on the show. I had a lot of fun talking to you, like talking to a friend that I haven't seen in a long time.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:35

Yeah, yeah, that you know, that wasn't my original intent to be honest. I'm exposing myself. It was just gonna be just be fair, neutral, but you know, I realized that's too boring. We gotta put some flair, some fun, some infotainment. Mix the two, because look, yeah, some look, there's a lot of bootleg ADHD out there. I'm one of them, by the way. So bootleg. We just want to claim it because we don't want to be bothered, we don't want to pay attention, we don't want to do this, but that's our code, we want to do something. Look, it it's it's and I say self-reported, you know, take that with a grain of salt. You know, medically diagnosed, look, take that one more seriously. But the I'm I'm self-reported, I'm not I'm not a real ADHD. If I say that, that's a hint that you're boring me to death. That's a hint right there. I don't care. I'm I'm that shameless. And I I that that's all that's all I'm gonna say. All right, let me anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:29

No, I just want to say, I mean, I just had a great time talking to you. I had so much fun, and I just I love guests, you know, becoming a guest. I said I wasn't gonna become a guest, you know, I was uh for a long time, like as far as with just guesting in general, I wasn't even gonna do guests, be a guest anywhere, but then I decided to do it, and it's been a great journey. So I'm happy that I decided to do it, get over my shyness. So and I had a great time talking to you, so I'm grateful.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:53

Well, I will not even figure that out. I thought you were so extroverted. Wow. Well, hey, you learned something new.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:58

Oh, I'm an introvert.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:00

Yeah, me, I learned I'm I'm I'm an ambivert. If they would if one go by the binary system, I'm like barely introvert, barely. Because there's some people think I'm I'm very extrovert because when I talk to people, I could I can speak on stage, I could do those things, even if it's last minute. But you know, you could be a functional extrovert. You know, you could do extrovert activities, you know, you are introvert. So I yeah, yeah, I'm not that you're not that super shy, quiet kid that refuses to talk, wear a black hood, and be in the corner. Or super no no no I'm I'm not that I'm not that extreme. I'm I'm more at the barely introvert up category. Because you know what is I do value my meat time. And that's why I say, yeah, I do value my you know, being no solitude, temporary solitude does recharge me. So that's why I consider myself like a meeting time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:43

Yes, that's good that you have that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:46

So that's you know, that's us that's on a serious note, people. That's why I consider myself a barely introvert. You know, I'm I'm an ampert. There's days I can be I can be pretty extroverted. Oh, yes, have fun and all this and go to advance, but then there's his days that leave me alone. I want to be alone. I'm socially bipolar. That's another way you can say it. So that's ah, I don't want to be bothered.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:07

Especially during these times, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:10

Listen, if if you're gonna be entertained, I'm kind of like a big kid. If you can't entertain me, leave me alone, or I'm just gonna start start being a troll and all of that. Like I got my side too. But for the most part, um you're not gonna you're not gonna counter that. Um you're not gonna counter that for the most part. Um because I most of the time I am well behaved, believe it or not, even though this podcast might prove otherwise. All right, so I love it. So I'm just gonna say it like that. I'm just gonna say it like that. Um I love it. Again, my listeners and you and the fake ones, follow Sequoia Blue, get her risque card game or spicy card game, get her music, listen to her podcasts, dive deep into the blue. There you go. Not the depressing. You know, dive deep into the blue.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:02

Beautiful live, unique entertainment.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:05

Yeah, there you go. Ooh, look at that. So come on, just go more of her. Oh, that wow, that's such a good play on. I won't even be clever to figure that out. No, I wouldn't. And I I could figure some of those things out. Not that one particular one's a nice. It's two other ones, but I love it. I love it none nonetheless. But just get her music. Get her card game and follow her podcast. Come on. Three things and well one of them, one of them will cost you at least. And then the other one might be.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:35

Yeah, one will cost.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:37

Um but but yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:38

If you want to donate, then yes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:41

Oh, donate to her as well. She got an easy well. Once I put her whole, I would say it's like a customized link tree. I think it's even better than a link tree to be honest.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:53

It's it's nice. It's a yeah, it's a nice art design. It's in you, it's big too in the donate. So if you want to choose to act blind, all that's because you want to donate, okay? Scroll, scroll down and get that. So yeah, so no, give give her support. Come on, she's independent, she's real, she's unorthodox. You want to support that too, right? You're tired of the fake corporate crap that you shove down your throat. Support her. This is real counterculture here, real counterculture, not just I say because it's a buzzword, not what you hear. So all that's gonna be in the link in the description and all those links, okay? And now for my podcast, like, comment, subscribe, you know, normal YouTube thing or rumble. And for reviews, I only pay attention to ones on Apple. There was one smart ass who says he gave me reviews and he didn't. I I I'm gonna expose your name if you dare, if you dare freaking bother me or or talk crap. I I I will find I will eventually find out because you know what's funny? Life has a way of telling me things. I don't I don't seek it, it just comes to me. And I I will expose your name and I will expose even the I got receipts, people. I got receipts on some of you. That's all I'm gonna say about that. Because people just want to act a certain way and act like it happened, catch, you know, I will call it convenient amnesia or selective dementia, whatever term you want to use, they want to act dumb when you bust them. So that's all I'm gonna say about that. Uh listen, I I could go on for another hour, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that because me and her got better things to do, okay, people. Oh, that's what I'm gonna say. And one more thing. There's two links I want to give. If you're tired of the news noise, you know, about stocks, tech, all that quick read. I got the new paper. That one's free. And the link will be in the description as well. And then final thing, website. I know some of you need a website, so that's a way of supporting me, giving me money without you putting much money.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:50

If you want to spend a little more, that's optional. That one's optional. The the free website guys, that's what they call lame title. I know, not creative, it's not Sequoia Creative. It's lame as hell, but they will help you build a website. They're really good at what they do because buy websites we popping up real soon, and you're gonna see a nice biparcel website. You're gonna see some red and some blue, and maybe a little bit of purple in between. Okay, so we're popping up real soon. My own website, okay? You will be helpful, you'll be helping give me money, okay? You're gonna be giving me money without even spending much money, so which I love, I love that. To me, that's ideal. Like that's ideal um case it. Yes. You know, some of you need websites, some of you podcasters, you need a website because we're helping these companies grow. No, we gotta help, we gotta help ourselves, and then of course, help the podcast community enlarge. We should start doing that. So just buffing these on corporations that are exploiting us right now because we the hot buzz. Yeah. Once we become irrelevant, they're gonna toss us away. That happens all the time. They care about money, about people. I don't I'm sound like left. Well, it comes to corporate corporatism. I I say I lean left. I'm kind of more against a more mom and pop shop kind of person. So that's what I do. That's why I do, that's why I support. So yeah, I you you could consider me left when it comes to raising corporate taxes and all that. Yes, I'm just yes, I I am for that. That I'm probably lean to the left. Because like with the guns, um, I lean center right. I just think people should have guns, but not in this, not in not in big cities. There's too much mental illness in there. You get that strain now, then maybe, then maybe we could talk about and lose. No, we gotta we gotta address that first, okay? You know, let's be smart.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:22

Yeah, yeah, we do. We do.

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:24

We want we want only responsible, same people that have not no nut, just shooting up the place, you know. And sadly has been happening way too often. It's more common. So that's so we we gotta we gotta get that straight out, America. Yes, and we just we just need to. So that's all that's the whole thing we'll leave you with. And all I want to say is this the final part. The the part they say, this guy's finally done. Once you complete this audio or visual journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon, or night.