328- Who Benefits From The Panic About Trans People With Amethysta Herrick

We trade outrage for evidence and turn a fearful bathroom story into a lesson on bias, safety, and the science of identity. A trans PhD and veteran tech leader joins us to ground the debate in data, history, and everyday human experience.

• why fear felt real despite no danger
• how media narratives shape snap judgments
• guest background in genetics and analytical chemistry
• sexual assault statistics and real risk profiles
• bathroom panic vs ordinary daily encounters
• social norms, recognition, and cultural cues
• religion, Victorian hygiene, and modern moral panics
• WPATH guidelines and puberty blockers evidence
• speech, labels, and online performative outrage
• future deep dive on trans participation in sports

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Linkedin

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Chapters

• 0:12 Setting The Stage And Stakes
• 6:36 The Bathroom Story And Self-Reflection
• 10:49 Guest Introduction And Credentials
• 18:26 Media Narratives And Fear
• 21:31 Stats, Safety, And Smokescreens
• 28:55 Recognition, Norms, And Everyday Encounters
• 36:03 Why Trans People Become “The Other”
• 44:32 Religion, History, And Moral Panics
• 1:05:58 Open Dialogue Over Outrage
• 1:07:58 Puberty Blockers: Evidence And Guidelines
• 1:17:00 Free Speech, Labels, And Online Culture
• 1:23:20 Sports Debate Teaser And Next Steps
• 1:31:02 Resources, Plugs, And Closing Requests

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:12

Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, Elias. This episode, look, I know some people want to be cynical, just say this is not historic. Well, in this podcast, it is. It's my podcast, okay? And this is where I'm gonna be a little bit authoritarian on the history here. This is legitimately historical because this is the first guest as transgender. I never had transgender guests before, even a few potential ones. They feared me when I started asking just a couple of critical questions. I was trying to be understanding, because I do I do have some concerns. Some just ran away. No, not this purple hair person. No, this one is gonna be the most bravest of them all because obviously she's here. So that's already that's already a you know great start on bravery. And I'm sure she's not gonna run away. So this is historic for this podcast because look, I I've always been curious, and we're gonna talk about that. I'm gonna just run now, just that same story. I was very uncomfortable of a transgender woman going to a woman's bathroom at Bigminton, New York, and I was very uncomfortable. I mean, if you would have just seen my face, you want to create memes of me looking pissed off, you could have created great memes of me being even um transphobic. It would have been a good meme. You would have even thought I was transphobic. I said, well, maybe at that time I was, but we get deep, deeper um into that. See if it was really transphobic or rational fear. I'll let you decide that. Well I all I know is I was just afraid for my mom's safety because long story short, I want to say this right now, and I've said this before. I was you can say red pilled on that particular issue because don't mean I'm more fair-minded. I say, yeah, I agree, Republicans here, I agree with them's here, but that one I was definitely needing to write. And after that reaction, I had to do an introspection. Having concerns and all that is not really the issue, but my face was almost as red as a tomato, if you can even believe that. And the drivers even looking at me scared, like I was about to kill him. That's how visceral the reaction was. I'm not even being dramatic. Okay, just hope it's safe. That's what I'm gonna say. Let's hope my mom's safe, or I'll lose it. And because this is all the this is just all the this the narrative I've been fed. I said, oh no, I couldn't be fed by narratives, but you know what? The thing is when you get beaten with the narrative, sometimes I don't know if you subconsciously absorbed it, and that happened to be the case. Because consciously I was aware, but once that reactions came right up, it was subconscious. It was just, wait a minute, why am I reacting this way? I normally I'm only just fair and say, oh, okay, as long as nothing happens, I don't really care. I wait for the incident to happen and then I react. But this one was so preemptive, so uh it's so premature. Let's be honest. It was very, very premature. And that and but you know what? Before we even continue that, and I want to start off with this because I want to get a tr you know a transgenerist perspective on this. I already asked uh the previous guest about this, and you know, he he said some of the same things about the narratives and all that. I said, Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say, oh no, it wasn't that, oh no, it wasn't this. I could have spent the lie, just said, oh, this person wanted to hurt my mom. Not true at all. Thank God, not true at all. All right, and we're gonna get deeper to that from a transgender perspective. Look, because we all are growing, and me, I could attribute that to not physically not communicating enough with transgender people. I mean, let's just be clear, it's it's just really that. Especially at that time. That was happening a couple years ago. But I just remember that as a point that I was inconsistent on my belief. And you know, you gotta point out when you're inconsistent. It it's tough, it's really tough to hold yourself accountable. It really is. It's just easy to say, oh no, that transgender was a was a freak, an ugly creature, all of that. That's easy. That's real easy. That's human nature. We just like to deflect attack, attack, attack us versus them. Okay, before we get into that, and that's gonna be the first topic, and then we get to the other little trans transgender issues, why it's important, why a lot of us are still ignorant about it, even though it has a lot of coverage. Let's be clear. I'm ignorant about it. I'm gonna include myself in that camp because I still don't have a lot of experience. For the most part, they just like everybody else, you know, they just have that experience that they changed to a different gender. That's the that's the difference. Other than that, everything else is just don't you want to use the word normal?

SPEAKER_02: 5:02

Yes, you do.

SPEAKER_03: 5:03

I I do want to use it, yeah. I because it's just so easy. It's just it's just so lazy.

SPEAKER_02: 5:09

Well, it's not even lazy. I'd love to talk about that. Yeah, that's my that's my whole platform, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 5:17

You know what? Let me let me cut the monologue. I think that's already good enough, and let have the guests talking here, because it's one thing I'm not gonna be accused of, at least as of now, and especially after this conversation. Look, I could be phobic of a lot of things. Claustrophobic, fine. I don't care if you call me that. I kind of am. I like space. All right, and that's New York, you know. And sadly, I live in New York, so that's my poison right there. So I gotta move out some point, or else I become mentally ill, and that's fine. You could call me that. I think I'm a little crazy, but that's okay. But let me introduce the guest here because she's already been patient, even laughing. And I'm gonna add this little story. Look at me like I'm crazy. That's fine. That's that's okay. I'm used to I've been called crazy 10,000 times. That's that's not been normal that she died. She's not doing that. Yeah, I'm sure. So we got Amithasta Herrick, and but you know, besides the whole transgender identity, let's just mention the accomplishments. This person has a you know, hard scientific background and microbiology. And once I have to guest introduce herself, she would elaborate further on that. And you know, on this show, free-flowing. I don't have you, I'm not like the media that ask a 10-minute question, expect like a three-second answer just for sound bites. I, you know, you could you could watch cable for that crap. Not in this podcast. Oh, that's this is why I always start off. What do you want the listeners and the viewers to know about you?

SPEAKER_02: 6:49

Okay, great question. You did you made a valiant effort at my name, by the way, Elias. Well, very well done. Amethysta Herrick is my name. And if you wanted cut it down, Amy, because nobody can say Amethystista. It's I, you know, I took the name and and immediately I was like, whoops, that was a bad idea, apparently. Who knew? So it's you're right, I have a hard science background. I did molecular biology, specifically genetics, and then finished a PhD in analytical chemistry. Then I also went on into the to the technology sector for 25 years. Started as a as an engineer up to architecture, leadership, ultimately executive management, and then I transitioned gender in 2022. So I was 52 years old when that happened. So I'd had pretty much a whole life, a whole career at that point, whole education, everything. And I transitioned gender and decided what I need to do is retire from technology because I figured it was going to be very difficult to continue doing what I was doing, specifically as a manager, if I as I transitioned gender. So I started writing, uh, then I started doing podcasts, videos, and then live streams, and now I I look at myself as a content creator who talks about science, the science of identity and gender. And yeah, I've got a YouTube, a TikTok, various other platforms that I try to talk about these issues exactly that you want to talk about. So thank you, by the way, for having me on. I want to thank you for the opportunity.

SPEAKER_03: 8:24

Oh no, not a problem, Mom. Even though it's a very hard goal, but I think it's an honorable goal for me. Try to be as fair as I can be. You know, these days, you want to hear if you want left wing takes, you know where to go to. You want right wing takes, you know where to go to. You know, center takes, you know where to go to. I want to try to cover as much perspectives as possible. And and let the audience decide, because I guess I only want the strong and the smart to decide. Not I don't care if you will have IQ of 10 and you think TikTok is great news. It's good content. You want to laugh and be entertained, that's fine. But when it comes to legit news, it's like hmm.

SPEAKER_02: 9:06

Oh, yeah, certainly not. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:10

Better channels for that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:12

Oh, yeah, exactly, exactly. And you know, before we get to the to all the you know the science agenda, because I just think we still need to um study this more. Humans are evolving, science is evolving, but yet sometimes we humans, even though we could adapt, we don't want to evolve and hysterical sometimes when it comes to different, new, strange things. And that's uh I call biological conservatism because it's just oh my goodness, oh my goodness. And trust me, I had that moment right there. That incident I just explained at the bus station at Bamington, New York, where a transgender walked into the same bathroom where my mom was at. She was ready in there. I was I was nervous, I was angry because I just keep remembering replaying Nancy's mace transphobic. I mean, come on, it's clearly transphobic. I don't really use that word lightly, but it was clearly transphobic here. Transphobic remarks and all those negative things start playing my head, and before you know it, it took over. And normally I'm such a rational person. And look, and all I'm gonna say is this it's just it just took me just talking to a couple of them, having my own experience just to effectively combat that subconscious bias that I have. So but I want to hear your perspective on it. And if anything, I left out, feel free to uh mention that as well.

SPEAKER_02: 10:44

So I want to I want to actually answer your story with by telling a story of my own first, if you don't mind.

SPEAKER_03: 10:50

Oh, cool. Oh, I'm so sorry. I was right jumping the gun. Go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 10:55

No, it comes, it it works exactly for this story because I can remember being 16, 17 years old. So this was, you know, mid to late 80s or so. I grew up in a very conservative family. My father was in aerospace, so I grew up in Southern California, the conservative area, I suppose, of Los Angeles County. And my father was in aerospace include like defense, you know, making defense, you know, weapons and stuff like that, aerospace weapons. The reason I bring this up is is because I can remember being 16 or 17 years old. My mother goes into a into a bathroom and I saw a black woman get up and go into that bathroom, and I can remember being nervous. Now maybe you're going, you've got to be kidding me. Why would you be worried about a black woman? Great point. I was trained to be nervous of black people. That's the way it was in the 70s and 80s in conservative areas or conservative families. My f my parents were very, very bigoted and very racist. And so that was what I that was my first initial visceral response. And I'm gonna tell you now it's you know, now I'm older. If nothing else. And I learned better. In fact, I guess I'm gonna there's a there's a I'm gonna mess the quote up a little bit, but Maya Angelou once said, you know, always do as best as you can. Always do as best as you know, I think it is. And when you know better, do better. And I think that's that's all we can do. You know, I you're tell you told me your story, and I almost want to go, listen, I forgive you. Yeah, if you don't know anybody, if you don't know, you know, what motivates transgender people, of course you're gonna have a visceral reaction to it. I did. I did. So I get it. Now that I've told that story, what do you think about that? I just cause because that's uh let me pause there for a moment.

SPEAKER_03: 12:43

You know what? You will expect a shocked reaction, but I just think it's just a lack of experience, you know, especially when you've been told and raised to me, my family is very moderate politically, so I it has nothing to do with family nor for me. It was just my it was just media bias that really, you know, and it all the negative, I mean the transgender coverage, even you know, like the left was over-glorifying, uh, the right was treating like villains, and obviously my subconscious absorbed the right because the right is good at driving fear.

SPEAKER_02: 13:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 13:18

I mean, let's be honest. The right is it's good at the fear-mongering messages, they are great at it. When Democrats try, it's not as effective. Let's no, you know, even they tried to do all the fear mongering, like Donald Trump fascists, they did it in 2024, it obviously didn't work. Even one popular vote, go figure, um, this time, not in 2016, not in 2016. That was different. He only just he just went with Electoral College, and Hillary Clinton had over two million more votes, maybe 2.5 million. Yeah, if I if I remember correctly. And yeah, I just think yeah, I just think it's just where you've been taught, how you've been shaped, plus me having lack, you know, lack of that experience or exposure, it's just gonna get some people just to react that way. And me was just of course Oh my goodness. I mean, my case it wasn't with I mean, I was raised in New York City, so I encountered black, white people, Latinos. Like it was of course you did, right, right. So of course I wouldn't react like that. But you know, I don't I don't judge people in that regard because the way I see it, we are shaped by this, we're the product of our time. Me, I am my mid-30s, so you know, I I was you know, I was forming up in the 90s, so right, right. You know, America was definitely getting more diverse. I'll say, and let me just be let me use a cynical perspective, slightly more comfortable with different races. Because there's of course talents that's always gonna be races. That's New York City, not one of those, so I'll say that's a blessing. We know New York City got a lot of its own problems. But diversity is not one of them.

SPEAKER_02: 14:59

No.

unknown: 14:59

No.

SPEAKER_03: 15:00

Well, you know. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 15:02

So I think it I mean, you're making a great point. I mean, we both I mean, you grew up in New York, I grew up in Los Angeles. Both of us, you would think, saw a ton of diversity. And I mean, we did, I know we did, and yet each of us had had some visceral reactions. And and here's so those are social norms or social, you know, you could say social conditioning. I don't that's that's not a great term, but what I usually what gets you past social conditioning is education. If you look, I what you were afraid of, if if I understood correctly, you were afraid that your mom's going to be abused in some way, sexually assaulted, probably, because this is the narrative that's that's been put out there. I would like to talk about statistics if you don't mind. You know, I'm uh I'm an analytical chemist. You know, first are my thing. Statistically speaking, two out of three sexual assaults, and and this is not going to be my full point, but two out of three gives 60 some odd uh percent of sexual assault is domestic. Okay, it happens in the home. Happens in the home. Overwhelmingly, the people who who commit sexual assault are cisgender, heterosexual, white, middle class, middle to upper class men. Overwhelmingly. But here's the thing. I was taught to fear black people. You you picked up somewhere to to fear this transgender woman in part as a smokescreen. Who's in power right now?

SPEAKER_03: 16:27

Cisgender, heterosexual, sexual white men, middle, women, women to upper class men.

SPEAKER_02: 16:33

Yes. It's a smoke screen. Ultimately, it it ends up being a smokescreen to so that we we draw attention away from the people who that if we truly manage them, it would make a difference. You have when there are women who go into you know battered spouse shelters, you know, uh rape recovery shelters, people who go into these into these shelters, they're they're not there because they were they were abused by transgender women. Now, I'm talking about statistics, and statistics aren't aren't really the point. The point is really that that what we're looking at is an artifact of a white patriarchy attempting to to perpetuate itself and justify itself. All I can say is, you know, the people whom I know, the transgender women I know, uh the majority of us were sexually assaulted ourselves. I was, believe me, every single one of us knows what it feels like to be the victim of sexual assault. Most of us understand what it means to be the victim of sexual assault and we would not impose that on somebody else. It's a horrible way place to be, horrible, horrible place. If you've ever talked to somebody who was in a shelter for a while, it's a horrible place to be. So why does this narrative exist? This narrative exists only only to perpetuate the people in power. I don't generally try to try to make this sound like a conspiracy theory, or I don't generally subscribe to conspiracy theories. Maybe that's a better point to make. And this is one where I just go, there is so little evidence that any of these claims is true that I'm stunned that anybody would even listen to it. So I think I'm finished. That was my statistical, my statistical analysis of something. You know, there's there is, to my knowledge, a case, one, I'm holding up one finger, in Scotland of a person who actually was not transgender, but allegedly had had put on ladies' clothes to clothes to go into a bathroom for for the uh intent of sexually assaulting somebody. One. You know, there are some 50,000 per year here in the United States alone. One across all of history that I know, and I believe this was 15 years ago. So I'm finished.

SPEAKER_03: 18:59

Oh no, no, no. I was no, I just I don't like to interrupt. Um, that's that's my personal rule because they're here to listen to you. I will have my solo episodes, and they can listen to that. And you know, I gotta say, because I love stats, I love numbers, and I have easily put, you know what's funny? I started doing this afterwards. I said, wait a minute, they like the smallest and the smallest, so just use basic, I don't even call it common sense because that's getting some rare sense based on numbers, you're the smallest, you're a very small population.

SPEAKER_00: 19:32

Yes, right.

SPEAKER_03: 19:32

How can you possibly outpace, you know, why you can't?

SPEAKER_00: 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 19:38

Even if you try, which I know you won't. You know, you know, and after looking at that, I said, Oh my goodness, I fell for the narrative. I mean, I already forgave myself, but this is what to me a learning experience because I approach things as fair, and if I have That double negative negative experience, I'll just attribute only to that event. I was like, oh, these all these trans people are just wicked, devil, they're all mentally ill. Or anything, or you know, or even I know it's hard for some people, you know, all the white people are evil, demonic, and and you know, things like that. I try not to have that, you know, that put everybody in the monolith. Let's be real with all individuals. Even if you if you study even all race, genders, and all there's women that are, you know, they're more pro-men than their own kind, and there's men that's a screw, screw their screw the other men. I want all the women to myself, you know. So there's all that craziness. So I that's why I don't I try not to do that. I mean, there's very rare exceptions, sadly. That that that story, which I publicly aired it for the second time. I don't mind because I wanted to get a perspective for Ryon for Don't Change the other person. Yeah, you know, because that was the that's where, you know, it's a good thing I didn't react, I didn't fully succumb to it. Oh, yeah. But I had to do a deep, deep moose. And then my mom came back to s you know, see, she said, You said you got the look as if you beat up somebody.

SPEAKER_00: 21:15

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 21:15

I said, Oh, you know there was a transgender in there. I know. I said, Oh, and then she put two and two together. The only thing that happened, my mom said, just the now getting to what happened in the bathroom, actually is just put your weird looks at each other. What are you doing here? Yeah, this is a non-verbal thing, and then by the time she just told me that was it, that was the beginning in the end. I was like, Yeah. I I was at relief. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 21:40

But let's talk about why let's talk about this reaction. Because I mean, when I just I gave statistics, and I think statistics are fun, you know, lovely and all. However, there is no doubt that that that it's important that we protect women and children. I mean, there's a reason why we have this idea that women and children need to be protected, and it's because, historically, they've needed to be protected. Like it's not a, you know, that is not it's not a point that I choose that I would debate. I can throw out statistics all day long, but it's those aren't that's not the point. The real point is that women and children actually do need to be women and children actually do need to be protected. And and the point that I'm getting go going toward here is that we want to ask ourselves why? Why do women and children need to be protected? Women and children need to be protected. And then we can look at the statistics. You look at the statistics, and and again, overwhelmingly, cisgender, heterosexual, white middle to upper class men prey on them. And so if we wanted to make a if we wanted to make a difference in these statistics, what we want to do is figure out why we have a society that makes it all right for essentially cisgender, white, what else did I have? Cishat white middle to upper class men capable of preying on other people. That's really our question here. Transgender women might be part of that. You might say, okay, well, these maybe you have some some some transgender women who are will capable and willing to commit a sexual assault, but really what we want to talk about is why does why do we have this why is that why does that attitude exist at all? And can we affect that instead? Rather than saying, because what we're doing now is trying to make laws to keep transgender people out of out of bathrooms. And we go, okay, well, that might affect the one case in 15 years that I know of, but it doesn't fix the problem. The problem is the attitude. And so there we go. That's your your reaction came from this idea that that yes, women and children could stand some protection. So I wish we'd focus on that, as opposed to uh, you know, vilifying a particular sector of the population. Because again, in the 70s and 80s, when I was growing up, it was not transgender women. It was black men, black women. These were the people who were hurting all of our people. Really? No, because we need another. We need to vilify an other to get here. So there we go. That's my that's my whole point in a nutshell.

SPEAKER_03: 24:10

You bring a very good point because let's just say if it was a white heterosexual man going trying to go to a woman's restaurant, I will stop and ride on that spot. Oh, what's the f you're doing? Yeah, and I am willing, and I will, you know, I'll be in the fight mode real quick. But it's a small part of me, I gotta say, it's small enough, just good enough not to make me commit just just you know, unnecessary violence, because it was unnecessary against that trans woman.

SPEAKER_00: 24:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 24:42

It was just that that small part of me that eventually became strong enough for me. And then once all once all my you know my concerns were addressed, uh you know, I just think about that. You know, so that's a good thing, but i I started looking at statistics, I started this was got me digging into it, and you and you're right. I don't want to find anybody, but stats show those were money and yeah, certain population, they will commit those acts, and it's let's just be real. And I I personally like using assists. I'm just gonna say, generally, why are you you know men are more likely to commit abuse. Let's just let's just be clear. And you're right, it is domestic, and a good chunk of it comes from people with you know, some green money. So not that I'm not gonna say no poor people done it, they've done it too.

SPEAKER_02: 25:32

Um of course, you know, just be clear.

SPEAKER_03: 25:35

Sure, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 25:36

Can I ask you a question though? Because I'm curious. If you saw somebody who is obviously distinctly presenting as a man, yeah, I would be going, why are you going into the women's restroom? What's the deal here? What's your what's your purpose? How did this transgender woman look? Was she obviously transgender? Is I mean, how was she presenting? I think that's why I wanted to ask.

SPEAKER_03: 25:56

Oh, good question. I could tell it was trans because this person still had some. I mean, it was a tall, overweight, taller than me, even. It was like six foot two. You could tell it was a man transitioned to a woman didn't transition very well. A beard. Okay. Just like the one I'm having, ironically. Sure. That was not intended, folks. But yeah, it had a bit of a beard and the skirt. That one needed a a bigger skirt.

SPEAKER_00: 26:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 26:27

The legs were hairy.

SPEAKER_00: 26:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 26:29

So it was it was easy to tell. It was pretty easy to tell. I mean, you transitioned much better than this person. I'll say that much.

SPEAKER_02: 26:37

Well, thank you. Uh the so so I just because I want to point a few things out. So so there's actually there's a woman at the gym that I go to. I know that she is that she was assigned female at birth. I know this. She is 6'2, I'd guess. I'm 5'9 for the for the record. I'm I'm not that tall. She is she is significantly taller than I am. She's very well built. I'm trying to think of how we say that. That doesn't sound horrible. You know, she's she has a lot of muscle, she's very solid. Also one of the nicest people I've ever talked to in that gym, I should mention. But the reason I bring this up is that she also doesn't conform to social norms. She's taller. You know, the the the typical woman is 5'2 to 5'9. She's outside that. The typical woman doesn't go and and pump iron. She she rejects that. So the you know, you mentioned hairy legs. Well, this person's like northern, like northern Eastern European. So it's, you know, I don't know that I'm gonna see a lot of hair on her legs, but but but hairy legs, like these are these are things that are that we see as as you know, distinctly masculine because of social norms. You know, before we had razors, before razors were were all over the place, every woman had hairy legs, because it's just what it was. So I guess that was one of my points. Because I'll say this, when I have when I have gone into you know, the restroom, when I've gone into the locker room, I'm not even gonna use the word women's restroom or ladies' restroom, locker room, when I've gone into the the spaces where I believe I belong, so does everybody else. And and it's not because I look great, it's you know, because I mean I'm 55. I'm like, I get that. But I go in there and I'm not threatening, I'm not intending to be threatening, I'm going into pee. That's about it. Sometimes I'll walk out and I'll see somebody and I'll go, oh, that's lovely lipstick. And oh yeah, isn't it though? By the way, I like your hair. It's oh thank you. And then we both walk out, and that's the end of it. So I guess you know what I wanted to tell with that particular story is just is that, you know, I I keep on hearing every you see this all over the place. You get people, Nancy Mace actually loves to say this, we can always tell. And yet I go into every women's restroom, you know, every restroom, every locker room, and and and either nobody tells or nobody cares. So I and frankly, I don't know the difference, but there have definitely been times I've also talked to people and they've gone, yeah, geez, can you believe this whole transgender thing? And I'll go, actually, I transition gender. And then I've watched people, people's faces change, and they go, huh. You can see them revising something in their head, because I've just had a 20-minute conversation or something with them, and now they go, Oh, well, I was thinking you were 100% a different person, and now I realize I have to revise a lot of the things that that I've thought about. In part that's why I do what I do. You don't learn anything about transgender people without interacting with transgender people. And so that's why I do podcasts like this. It's why I do live streams. Because if I don't, nobody knows who we are, and and and nothing can change.

SPEAKER_03: 29:53

So sadly, that's the truth. I wish it wasn't. It was just up you accept and all that, just you know, you do wrong, you get consequences. If you're doing all right, you shouldn't be bothered. But you know, you just you know there's there's biases. Uh I don't know what's the next bias is gonna be next. Maybe cyborgs are gonna be discriminated, you know. Once we're done with this, I don't know, but right, there's always gonna be sadly that other is it's just that cycle. Once we get, I will say, informed and you know, used to transgen transgender, because I say a good chunk of society is uh are not. New York City, of course they are, but if you want to go to uh Rockland County, that's a whole nother story. That's a republic that's a Republican. So no doubt.

SPEAKER_02: 30:40

No doubt.

SPEAKER_03: 30:41

So, you know, I you know, I just say this because, you know, and I've said this before, um listen as a viewers. We all got our biases. I got mine, and I'm happy that's no longer my bias because I talked to a few others and I just maintained my professional, you know, just have my best foot forward. Guess what? It wasn't magical, it was something simple to be a decent human being.

SPEAKER_00: 31:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 31:06

And then that just debunks it. I know how magical for some of you that just can't fathom it, right? But you know, this is someone who what bought into the right-wing trans folk fearing narrative.

SPEAKER_01: 31:19

Okay, let's just be clear.

SPEAKER_03: 31:20

And you know, and another thing I forgot to add is I always check for Adam's Apple. Because this person clearly had an Adam's Apple. That I I should mention, you can see the Adam's apple right there. Yeah, that's that that was another dead dead um giveaway. Oh no, oh no, you you're yeah, no, I can't find that. Nope.

SPEAKER_02: 31:38

Well so for so for what it's worth, like I'm a bad example, first of all, to begin with, because as it turns out, I'm I am likely ha I likely have an intersex characteristic that that I'm not very sensitive to testosterone, which explains being 5'9 and not particularly broad-shouldered and really never having be, you know, being able to grow a beard. So I'm not a great example to begin with, but uh, you know, the Adams apple in part comes because the larynx drops. Testosterone affects, you know, the muscles, the web of muscles around the larynx and drops it and then tips it forward. Part of, for what it's worth, part of vocal feminization therapy, which I did, you know, to sound more feminine, part of that is learning to raise your larynx back up, which gives you a brighter, a brighter sounding voice. I'm bringing this up to say that, you know, even people I know who had large Adams apples but pre-transition, if they learn this, you get muscle memory, raising that larynx back up and tilting it, you know, more more more level can take care of that a lot. So any transgender women out there, that's a tip. You know, if you're like, oh, but I have a huge Adams apple, eh, not necessarily. Do some vocal feminization, see what you get.

SPEAKER_03: 32:53

So that's good to know. Right. Look, even if you know, look, this is not just for transgender, that'll just be small mind. Anyone who even knows a transgender person. I know we don't use this, you know, if you're an ally. But I mean, I won't call myself an ally, but I because I just believe I treat as long as a human is doing the right thing, transition or not.

SPEAKER_02: 33:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 33:15

I'm just gonna be natural. I I don't have to declare that. So to me, to me, I just find that performative virtual signaling nonsense. People who overly say that, but yet they fail to do so.

SPEAKER_02: 33:26

We see that a lot, don't we?

SPEAKER_03: 33:27

Yeah. Yep. I yeah, and and it's funny, you know, it's actually brought back a story when I was first introduced, and some people like to confuse this too for I don't know, with cynicism or whatever. Yeah, you know, I've dealt with I mean, went to the village and for New Yorkers and those who travel to New York, you know, the village is that neighborhood is very LGBTQ plus.

SPEAKER_00: 33:52

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03: 33:53

Even even when it wasn't cool or easy, it was just I was there this is early 2000s. See, I I was a teenager. I mean, I I was a little I was a little weirded out because of course I'd have experienced this is being even younger. But you know what's funny? I found it interesting. It was just okay. This is weird, but they didn't do anything that was I thought bad. Okay, just living their life. It look, I could just say it's weird, whatever, but I'm not gonna just say, ah, they and especially though, some of them have mouth. One made me one made me laugh so hard. I said, wow. I said they I think their superpowers, they got a great mouth. They make me laugh. They couldn't be comedians. I saw overly I gave like positive, I was overly giving them praise. I think to a point it'll be downright even loony. That's all because one of them just says something. I think one of the shirts made me laugh. It was a village. FCK, the only letter missing this year. Oh, that is so clever. That's all okay. So that's they got this this is so clever. And then of course they had the male version of Barbie Big Bobby, and that's okay. They they're just they're rewriting the narrative, make it compatible to them. And you know what? That just gave me great respect. I said, if the normal sus normal society quotes, I want to accept you, you forge your own path.

SPEAKER_00: 35:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 35:20

And that and I came with that respect. Of course, I again I didn't deal with transcript. There were cross-dressers. I could I clear to there were men, they were comfortable dressing as women, and some just wanted to talk, but one approach very friendly, the other one approached sound too massive, like real super deep. We talk like a hyper Adams Apple. So are you lost, honey? I was like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00: 35:50

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 35:50

The one that had a more strange vocal core. It's like, you lost man, but I think it was more even tone, neutral tone as opposed to hyper masculine, deep songs. Whoa, I don't need help. Oh, I think you might beat me up by accident when all you're trying. But you know, that's different stuff. But you know, and it's funny. When I calmed down, I thought about so wait a minute. I didn't deal with transgender, but see, that's why I realized I didn't deal with transgender, but I dealt with LGB. I can't say, can't say the T because deal with that. I even Q, I didn't deal with the T. And the plus sign, I'll get there when I get there. Sure. But I was just saying, I said, you know, this is not the first time I've dealt with people who are, you know, don't live quote unquote traditional or heteronormative lives. So why was I reacting? But then you know, that's why I was able to figure out it was this just this narrative that was so strong in my subconscious, because I was already exposed to you know these things as a teenager and FYI. I did not get sexually abused, and one of them did try, I knocked the crap out of him. All right, so good on you.

SPEAKER_02: 37:07

Yeah, she'd been there when I was oh no, I was 13, and you were not alive yet. Oh well.

SPEAKER_03: 37:13

Oh yeah, oh no, no, no, no, for sure. And I I I knocked the crap out of that person, and and it's funny, I ne I never became homophobic, and all I just think I just think that person is garbage. I was precise that that person is gonna be garbage. Sure. Because I I still have gay friends. I was like gay, lesbian, that's nothing for me. I double I got exposed to that early as a teenager. Sure. Trans is why I didn't have all enough, but it's gonna be educated. Look, you can be involved, people. That's my point. You could be involved. You don't have to have the best starting point in life, but if you're willing to grow and learn, there is hope. Well, if you choose to be stagnant and be bigoted, anyone's stats and there is a good counterpoint that debunks that stupidity, you're the problem, apparently. You're the problem. And this is not me to lecture, because look, you live your life. I'm not considering myself the most heroic person. I'm definitely a not, but I say this just to say there is hope, and look, they're just trying to live their lives like anybody else.

SPEAKER_00: 38:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:15

Literally. It took me, I'll say two years ago, I finally got that strain out. You know, but I think we need these tough moments because this is where you can either choose to grow or double down on stupidity. I mean, I I'm harsh. I I'm harsh about it sometimes, but go ahead.

SPEAKER_02: 38:36

And I think it's a I think it's a little too harsh. And and I'm saying this as a as a very clear member of the queer community. I think that is a little too harsh. Each of us grows up. I mean, we're all individuals, right? We all have the ability to choose our behavior, and we all grow up in social environments. It's funny, you brought up the story about going down to to the village, right? So I lived in, I went to graduate school in Georgia. So this will this will be a completely different story. But I remember driving, some point I'm driving through really, really like rural type Georgia, and recall I grew up in Los Angeles, okay? I went somewhere, I'm pumping gas. I don't even care what it is, but I walked somewhere and I saw people with these big, massive, you know, it's not even like a 10 gallon hat. It had to be like a 30 or 40, you know, gallon, I don't know how, but huge cowboy hats, you know, big boots and like a belt buckle that was the size of like, you know, a dinner plate. You know, here's the problem too. I'm making fun of it, aren't I? I saw it and I just went, oh my gosh, what the hell is that? And I'll tell you, at the time I was probably wearing black combat boots, black jeans, most likely like a bondage type belt, probably a Marilyn Manson shirt. You know, my hair was long and dyed blue black, waist length, probably had white makeup. Up on with you know big huge eyeliner. They probably looked at me and went, Oh my god, what the hell is that? You know. My point in saying this is that my social environment was such that particularly when I was in Georgia, my social environment was very accepting of who I was. The social environment that those two people I'm thinking of right now, those two men I'm thinking of, was very accepted accepting of who they were. But we looked at each other and went, oh, those are not my social norms. So I stopped you because, well, I guess I did stop you. I interrupted you because it's like, yeah, it is too harsh. We we do we do learn certain things when we're young and we internalize those. And then we get to, you know, at some point we experience something else and we have a choice, right? What you're saying is we have a choice. And that choice is either to go, well, that's something I haven't experienced before. Let me engage with it and see what it's like. Or we have the choice to go, ooh, I have not experienced this before, so they must be weird, and I'm gonna get them the hell out of here. I'm gonna regulate them out of existence. And I would hope that we would all choose the former as opposed to the latter, but social norms are very, very difficult to counteract. I'm making this point because in order for somebody to transition gender, because here's here's my major point. In order to transition gender, you have to reject social norms. You have to reject that somebody who ostensibly was was born with an XY genotype developed ostensibly male reproductive parts so that at birth was assigned male, you have to be able to reject the social norms that people like that are not allowed to look certain ways. I had to reject that. It's not easy. It's not at all easy. And one of the hardest, one of the hardest tasks, I guess I'll use the word task in transitioning gender is rejecting those social norms and accepting that each of us is supposed to be the person we are. I'm all done. I'll put a period right there.

SPEAKER_03: 42:03

No, yeah, you bring up some good points. Me, I I to be harsh because this is me attacking some, especially you fake listeners. You want to be harsh, I can be harsh right back. I'm out of pushover. But for those of you who are smart, give me constructive criticism, I'm all for it. And some of them are precise, accurate. I'm not gonna argue. When you're making sense, I'm not gonna argue. But if you're just saying, um, oh, stop hating on Kevin McCarthy. I didn't hate on him when I said his speakership is gonna be short. I was correct, he only lasted barely nine months. There you go. You know, he was a snake, he burned many bridges, even among the Republican Party. The Democrats couldn't stand him, the Republicans couldn't stand him. So what chance do you have? This is sense, people. You don't have to be a genius to figure this out, just pay attention. You know, even though I think some IQ tests say I am, and that feeds my ego a bit. I said, I'm not surprised. You know, so I said it again, so don't feed my ego too much because it would get big. I gave that warning. I said you get I'll accept after like the third compliment, then it starts growing up for the balloon. And then if you pop it with a very good credit criticism, then I'm upset. So I'm so that's why I'm just being self-aware, not you know, not accepting too much compliments because it was just grow that big, but I'm just being honest, people, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 43:28

And look, this is um I tell you, by the way, how really truly attractive you are? You're really a good looking guy.

SPEAKER_03: 43:35

Oh, thank you. Thank you. No, we're uh I think this guy's sending me on this to have ego exposed. You know what? It's good entertainment. Right? I don't mind it. I don't mind, I don't mind some entertainment. Look, this is this is and this is really infotainment at the end of the day. It needs a bit of both because you're providing education, uh, the gender experience. Now let's get into the more macro perspective. Okay. I mean, why is the transgender? I mean, we already talked about how the Republicans, especially Nancy Mace, vilified, why is it under attack on Western society? Well, I care about America more, but if we want to expand in Europe, which you did with that one particular example, for why why is it so under attack besides the fear-mongering, people being you know, a full, ignorant? I mean, why is it under attack? I mean, you already I think you already said it before about the you know, the white patriarchal, tri conservative, patriarchal will in this country. I mean, why is it so under attack? We're supposed to be more progressive, more accepting. What's going on with that?

SPEAKER_02: 44:35

Oh gosh, you're right. We are supposed to be. We're supposed to be the the enlightened ones, right? You know, when if you if what's interesting is that we, you know, Western civilization, I'm even gonna use the word Western civilization, wants to to to trace like the the origin back to classical Greek, classical Rome, and both of those w were had uh had a tremendous uh incidence of homosexuality. You know, there was somebody told me a quote, and I'm gonna miss I'm gonna misquote it, but it, you know, for for it was for children choose a woman, for pleasure, choose a man, for there's something else, which was choose a melon, which I think was actually to eat. I don't think it was for anything else, just so just so you know. But the point is men would sleep with men because women were women were looked at as as the people who cared for children. And and actually it's sort of still true today, but as a result, you had people in theater when you had to portray women in in plays or whatever, which you know, there are some. When you had to portray women, they were oftentimes men in in in outfits to make them look like women. Were they transgender people? Maybe, maybe not. Presumably some, yeah. But the point was that gender roles and sexuality roles were very different in in what we're calling the origin of Western society. Many of these changed. I actually interviewed somebody who did a doctoral dissertation on when these when these attitudes changed. Like when when Western society society started to think that homo you know, same-sex relationships and gender diverse people were were bad. And it was really somewhere around the Victorian period when people started moving from the rural areas into cities, and it ended up being just about hygiene, because the Romans, of course, had brought public baths, of course, to London. And so, you know, when when you had more people go into the public baths, they they started trying to crack down on hygiene in one way or another. And that's when it started becoming somewhat taboo to have a same-sex relationship or or a gender diverse expression. So not even all that far back. So it's an interesting, you know, we can't really pinpoint this despite there being a doctoral dissertation about this. You know, there's no obvious pinpoint policy or something like that. Your question was, why are we like this now? I I would say the the primary influence has been Christianity. And and if you look at, you know, specifically 19th century, 20th century, so Victorian era starting to move forward, we've once you started once you needed a reason to to enforce hygiene, you s you start bringing religion into it. And if there's somebody out there going, no, we don't do that, that's not that's not true. I I direct your attention to the book of Leviticus, the book of the law, right? Mosaic law. There's a ton of a ton of what's in Leviticus and some in Exodus, but uh, you know, specifically Leviticus, that is purely about hygiene, but it's put in a way, it's put in a way that says that this is our religion. Our deity tells us don't do these certain things. I mean, one of them, you know, one of them is don't eat meat of the cloven hoof. Right? This is why Jews don't eat pork. There's cloven pigs apparently have cloven cloven hooves. Cows do not. So there's the point that horses also do not. And dogs, of course, have no hooves at all. So I think they're cool. I don't know. I've always been unsure. Dogs, cats, is that bad? I don't know. So Leviticus. So we have a lot of history. Humans have a lot of history in tying hygiene to religion because it's a really easy way to explain something. If you go, well, I don't know, we find people get sick here, God said don't do it, then people go, oh, okay, that's fair. Well, we don't have any understanding of of like where the black plague from, why why the black plague was carried certain places, why, you know, washing sewage, you know, out somewhere else would be a good idea, you you you resort to something like religion. And so I that's my belief, ultimately, that that that was carried with the Puritans over to the to the New World. The idea that that you know, specifically uh a queer experience could be tied to a religious, you know, some sort of religious laws. I there's a better word for that, but I don't have it. So what do you think?

SPEAKER_03: 49:26

I don't know. I mean it makes sense what you're saying. You know, I don't think we could pinpoint, we definitely can pinpoint into it. But I'm sure there's gonna be after all more digging and more technological advancement, we're gonna pinpoint these things. I mean, dissertation, I think, is the start of discovery. I don't think it's the end of it. And and it will pique us to dig further into that because I I mean, I I would like to know because uh are we supposed to be loving and all that? There is nothing about that, and there is nothing, you know, yeah, God made man and woman. There's a quote in that. And look, but we also look Christians being hateful, we all fall short in the glory of God. We all got imperfections. So that's you know, we we tend to forget that. I mean, this is why me. I consider myself more of a spiritualist. I mean, I've studied the Bible twice, so I know what you were talking about. Oh, yeah, Leviticus is very legalistic. It was hijorned, it was very specific about animals you eat. So even certainly even octopus is considered unclean, but yeah, we still eat that anyways. And you know, there's there's so I mean, look, this is this is my thing with American Christianity. It we choose what's easy for us to follow. A lot of Christians eat pork. Okay, we we're not supposed to eat pig if you want to be because you're right about that, and Muslims follow that to the T. Well, the Christians like, eh, yeah, I want to eat my pig. The pig tastes good. Right. You know, I mean, you know, you know, you know, Jesus was pretty progressive. If you want to avoid it for health reasons, you know, but I I think Leviticus is more of legalistic reasons, so follow everything to the T. You know, um, yeah. But I think, you know, that that that's just me. The by to me, the Bible, I always say it's the start for the truth, not the end as well. To me, it was a story where I became more spiritual. Sure. Sure. And I think people need to believe in the in the higher power. Well, and another thing about the Bible, it's it's not the easiest book to understand. I mean, even person who's honest, but I have read the Bible. So this there's still parts I really don't like. The best one is revelations. Some revelations just there's so much symbolisms and all that, it could be interpreted so many other ways. Yes. I say yes. And I guess the general thing I guess is about preparing for the you know for the end times and all that. And I don't think this is the thing, and I get your point. And a lot of people do use Christian as a weapon to attack those that's less than none. It don't have to be even um transhap, but since that's the since that's the hot trendy villain, that's what they're using it as. I'm gonna use it like that, because but it was blacks at one point. If you want to go back to Found Me the New World, a quote, you know, the indigenous people, you know, so Sally religion has been weaponized. So you're not wrong there. It continues. Is it as brutal as before? Overall, no, but it's still there.

SPEAKER_02: 52:25

I don't know. There are still well, listen, there's because you you had said it'd been it'd been used against other races, yeah. You know, one of the some of the stories, you know, and some of this is like supplementary material apparently, but you know, the story of Cain, right, who who kills his brother Abel, in the stories, God puts his mark on Cain and sends him off to the land of Nod. It so happens that that Noah also at some point, Noah gets, you know, he's in a festival, gets gets drunk, falls down naked, his his son Ham lays with him. Technically, I think it says sees his nakedness, as it's put in Genesis. Again, God puts his mark on him, sends him off to the land of Nod. It has been interpreted. Well, what's the mar? Is that dark skin? Is that does that explain why Europeans are superior to people, you know, from Africa? It's been used for that. And the irony of the whole thing is that all of this would have been written by people who lived in the Middle East. Right? It's being used to to justify white super uh white superiority, you specifically European, I should say, European superiority, and it's like, but but but these are not the stories. They don't even so that doesn't make sense. There's a lot of places it's weaponized, a lot of a lot of places, and you're right. It's like you you find the villain de jour.

SPEAKER_03: 53:46

It's uh that's that's what Christianity's on about this time, so yeah, that's why I study more the spiritual aspect, because yeah, because when religion, you know, it gets corrupted by the culture of flawed humanity real easily. I mean, this could be another like two-hour discussion, really, just about how it could be weaponized. And I mean, this one point I almost even I almost even became a professed atheist. I was already going towards like not as a teacher guy. I saw so much hypocrisy of the church as a teenage. I was aware of, hey, you're not supposed to curse, you're not supposed to steal, and yet you're part of the church, you're doing this. Oh, the priest is being judgy. Wait a minute, what is going on here? Wait a minute, you're talking you talk to me like you're a street thug and you are a holy person? Yeah. Make that make sense. Right. This this is this is the same year where I went to the village. So I was so I was questioning some things a race. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay, but what if the person was born with male and female organ? So that one so that was gonna be five percent. A person can't be saved by God. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. God, I think God goes beyond that. So no, no, no. Oh, the all I was I was shame for it. But me, I didn't even feel shame. I said, I think you should be shameful. You should be shameful. And you know what? By the time I go through this little rituistic crap I'm gonna go through to complete my sacraments. Yes, I used to be a Catholic. This is the first time explaining this. I ain't gonna I'm not gonna care for it anymore. And yeah, I drift away. But but fast forward to five years later, I got interested in the Bible because I became generally interested instead of having to shove down my throat, you know, society and you know, parents and all that, the pressures, you know, being conformed, they're gonna use normal to become quote unquote normal. And yeah, I mean, that was my weird religious journey. I mean, all journeys are unique. Let's just be honest about that. All journeys are unique for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 55:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 55:57

And look, this is why I say to people, if you wanna if you wanna be with God, he goes for those with genuine heart. No matter how flawed you are, he can think if he could forgive murderers and all that, I'm sure he could forgive so much other stuff. If he can forgive a mass murderer and he has, then I'm sure all the other things that are you know considerabad, it could be all right, and you know, I th I think I would say the worst thing was just weird because I'm speaking purely spiritual standpoint. I just think just re rejecting God now, I think it's one of the worst things people could do. But am I gonna judge you for it, me personally? No, because I have almost gone down that path. I understand. I don't have to agree with you, but I can understand where you're coming from. And that and as adults, I think we have lost that art of free to disagree. You know, disagreement does not equal hate people. I'll keep saying that. Right. It just means we have two point of views that you see things differently. It's okay. We are individuals. If we go through the genetic structure, we are all so freaking different. I mean, I'm not gonna challenge this guest for sure in genetics, unless I want to lose badly. Okay. You know, I I I have to be really I have to be really drunk, obviously. Uh that's a maybe. Other than that, I'm not gonna do it. Because that's just listen, look, we all unique individuals. And look, let's just start with the respect, build rapport before we get to these things. They're just saying, let's go to alternative dimension. We just met for the first time. I'm just preaching the Bible right down your throat. What? A oh Amy? I know it's Ami. Oh, Amy, oh heathen, you heathen!

SPEAKER_02: 57:47

God, you heathen, you know. It's happened.

SPEAKER_03: 57:50

I mean, you know, it has happened, but let's do alternative dimension. I was a far-right nationalist Christian, and I'm trying to wipe out transgender, you know, transgender as if it's just a demon thing.

SPEAKER_02: 58:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 58:01

Look, you know, and I think you make a good point. I think that it's funny that the old Puritan, the Amish, they ran for religious freedom when he discovered the new world, but yet they posed their crap at other people. That's the biggest irony. But hey, history's weird sometimes. You know, as human beings, logic, logic doesn't always give you the answers. Let's be let's be uh let's be honest, there um I've done dumb things, you know, even though I I'm harsh, you know, I do more for entertainment purposes, uh unless I'm really provoked, which is rare. So as I said, this person's just uh mentally ill, it'll it'll go by, whatever. I don't care. I get some mean comments. Who cares? I just that's nice. You just you just you just feel empowered, but I'm sure when you talk face to face, you'll probably crap your pants. If you got a soul, even I don't know. Some of these people just so comatose. I can get told social media thing, but I think the the trans, you know, the trans I'm not gonna say trans, the trans perspective. I'm just put like that, the trans perspective. I think we need to be understanding of it because it's here a fantasy. I know we made fun of it, politically correct comedies. I didn't laugh at that because it's just just comedy, but they're here. They be productive, doing their thing, and for the most part, 99.999% of them are not committing crimes. I mean, I mean, even if they try to catch up, it is an possible numbers game, which like I said, I could guarantee that they're not gonna do that because they're not interested in doing that. They just challenge gender norms where we've been taught a condition. And sure, you know, and I think we humans, we are evolving for better or worse. And if God knows everything, this shouldn't be a surprise, which I'm telling me is not. This is not a surprise. Hey, and me again, I just think people should believe in the higher power, not just me, but people choose not to. That's only I got a few I got a couple atheists as friends, so I could. Okay, that that's you. You live your life. Just don't expect me to agree to it. And I know I'm not going to change your mind either. Just know that we are we're different here. We can agree on some things. I say, yeah, yeah, I agree. The criticisms with you know religion and all that. I do because I used to be, I was agnostic as a teenager. So I I get it. I get it. But I just think people should have something positive to believe in the power of themselves. Even look, don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. It's a struggle. It's tough. I'm not saying you don't have struggles. I'm not going to dismiss them. I'm going to be Pollyanna, delusional, crackpipe, happy person that everything's going to be alright. You know that meteorite is going to destroy Earth. No, worry about it. You clearly see the meteorite coming. No, no, no. That's your imagination. Boom. The Earth explodes. Humanity's wiped out. Okay? No, I'm not, I'm not delusional. Even though I choose to look, I just think believe higher power is better for your mental health. But that, you know, that's just me. I choose to do that. You find solutions that are compatible to you. That's another phrase in this podcast. Find solutions that are compatible to you. Just because you have normal solutions, introspect yourself. You find some things that you know you have that you know, not gonna be your strengths, hidden talents or things you like to do. Mean, I meditate more. It's good for me. Some people don't like to punch things, run, listen to music to get better, whatever, regardless of gender. I don't want to hear about all the gays, oh okay, all the gays like to listen to disco, or you know, or all the trans like just have fun to Halloween. That's nonsense. A lot of straight people like to have fun in Halloween, even asexuals, all of that craziness, okay? So if you want to put that down in the comment section, go right ahead. I won't be surprised if YouTube censors you. I don't agree with YouTube, but that's what YouTube is gonna do to you. Rumble you save that for Rumble if you want to be crazy, because Rumble, that's the only thing I agree with them. They're they're more on 1-8, they're more pro-1A. Um, even though I don't agree with half the politics in there, I'm I'm in the center. If you go too far right, uh, that's crazy. It'll just fall like, oh, you're crazy. Okay, I'm I'm right here down in the middle politically. And I'm a hybrid. I'm I'm a hybrid person. I think when it came to same-sex relationship, I I did start on the right because I was so okay, it's only between man and the woman. As time went on, you know, I started seeing gays and lesbians and I said, no, I just don't looks weird to some people, but are they really hurting anyone? I mean, if they're hurting someone, then I'll agree with the with the attacks and all that. But if they're just living their life, even looks weird to some people, eh, let it be. And I think we need to get to that point with transgender unless it's sad as going on right now, fundamentalists, extremists taking over this country. Remember separation of church or state people, it happened for a reason.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:02

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:03

We need to remember that. And even though I believe in God, we need to keep that because religion has been weaponized and it'll continue to be weaponized. I don't know when it's gonna stop. Let's keep that. Okay, I think I talked way too much at this point, even though it's a podcast, but still, I I uh but but regardless, you shared a lot of great value. I'm actually happy that I agreed to I'm actually happy you actually reached out to me. I said, Oh, it was wow. I did, yeah. Yeah, you I said I never had this conversation. Easy for me to agree. Believe it or not, it was just an e it I had to think very hard. I was okay, it's definitely very interesting. Even if he wasn't a science major, it wouldn't have mattered that much. Okay, this is so on. I could definitely make a unique episode because I never dive deep into trans, you know, the transgender. I never did because I did flight it was appropriate. I probably would have done a lot earlier, but that person let a lesbian when she decides just to not she just decided to go through just because I was asking some legitimate questions. I said, Look, I said you're achieving loss, I'm not disrespecting you, but if you feel that way, then don't be on my show. I said, It's one thing I'm not gonna do, I'm not gonna capitulate and then over backwards. That part am I gonna say? Sure, sure. You know, if you're willing to talk, great. If not, bye, nice knowing you. That's how I am. People just think that yeah, I I'm as a New York Indian, I get impatient. Yes or no?

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:28

What did you ask her? What did you ask her?

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:31

This person, I'm gonna keep anonymous for now, unless this person successfully expose me and I have I have some receipts. We're just gonna talk about puberty blockers.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:43

And she was a very progressive um priest, lesbian priest. And I said, Do you have any, you know, like health? Is it are there any health concerns with that? Oh, there's no health concerns. Okay, tell me how was that? Because a lot of people were concerned about it. I'm not asking us to be h homophobic. I say, you know, some of them are worried about that with their children. So shouldn't people have a choice for that? If the parents want, don't want their children to have it, and I it's up to you know, until the child is adult, whatever, they make their own decisions. I'm as lazy fair. I think she took to if I said, Oh, you must be one of those right wingers. And I said, What? Nah, uh no. I said some things I'm right wing on. Now, when it comes to the LGBQ, I'm gonna say like that, because I transitioned, I was definitely leaning to the right at that time. Um, but now I'm definitely the same.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:38

Because it so happens you're gonna be like, wow, I found a unicorn. Because it so happens I'm a member, a full voting member of the the World Professional Association for Transgender Health, which puts out the statement of care, and we're currently on version eight that's used as recommendations around the world. It's translated into some, you know, 19 or 20 languages at this point. And for what it's worth, puberty blockers are the only thing recommended to people below the age of consent. I'm gonna say age of consent, because you know, it depends on the the country what that is. They there are there's nothing nothing else recommended, no surgery, you know, certainly talk therapy is recommended, but but as far as medical interventions, puberty blockers are the only thing currently recommended. These these drugs uh started being used as far back as the 1990s. Now you'll hear people say, and there's a lot of clinical evidence, I should say, there's a lot of clinical experience with with these with puberty blockers. And where I'm going with this is to say that it's a very common, a lot of people say, oh, we don't know anything about them. We haven't w seen anybody grow up with them, but but we have. These have now been in use for 35 years, on the order of 30, I think it was 1993. So 32 years. We actually do have a significant amount of of clinical evidence, experiential evidence, and we have found that delaying puberty does not end up affecting if you have somebody who delays puberty until they're 18 or whatever, and ends up saying, I don't want to delay it any further, that they develop exactly the same. We have a lot of evidence around this. In fact, there was a just recently there was a European, so EPATH, the European Professional Association for Transgender Health, met just recently. It was in the last month or so. I believe it was in September, or end of September. And that was one of the big fac one of the big pieces that was presented, you know, did that was discussed at that EPATH uh conference was the the efficacy of puberty blockers. So anyway, are they safe? Well, you happen to have spoken to somebody who's who's seen that research, and I and and you know, unequivocally the answer is yes. And WPATH would not does not recommend anything further until the age of consent. So anyway, when you hear somebody also say, Oh yeah, Jimmy went to Jimmy went to to junior high school a boy and came home a girl. No, no, that is a fake story, completely fake story, because you know, WPATH guidelines, if nothing else, you're supposed to be on hormone replacement therapy therapy for at least a year before you can apply to get gender-affirming surgery. So you have to be at least 19, ultimately, you know, minimum of 19 years of age before you're gonna get gender-affirming surgery. So I don't know if you ever if you counted on these types of answers to when I was here, but there you go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:40

No, this is why I wanted to have a conversation. Look, again, I respect bravery, someone's really initiate conversation.

SPEAKER_00: 1:08:47

Sure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:47

This is what you need to do, people. If you want to just keep talking behind my back, go right ahead, make me a celebrity. I could care less. Then they keep, you know, I don't mind, feed the hate. You know, I can take that, I can turn that hate into fuel. I mean, I already said I'm a little bit of an ego maniac, so that hate that feeds my that feeds my ego. Yes, I'm that important. Oh, I'm that important. Right, you stupid asses. I'm that important. Yes, peasants, yes, keep talking about I live rent-free in your head. Yes, yeah, okay, so about to get started. You could have caught me down, you could have caught me down, but no, no, no, no. She's enjoying the ride a little too much. No, but all the seriousness, though. You know, this is why I want to talk to someone who studied this, or even personally, I mean, you transition later, as opposed to, you know, the mind, you know, I'll say miners, I'll say, you know, generally for America, I was used to this America standards, younger than um 18. And you know, some states got weird laws, and I'm not gonna stick into marriages and it should be just 18 federally, or or I would say even 21, if I'm gonna be a little ambitious. But that's my perspective. I'm not gonna get I might not get switched into that. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say this. I want to talk to someone who actually has experience or even went through that, as opposed to, I don't know, I could talk to a a far-right person about it. I was like, oh my goodness. I already know what they're going to say. It's not that interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:18

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:20

It's not that interesting. You want good TV, you want good entertainment, I can ask that question. Oh my goodness!

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:26

Oh, what are you gonna translate? I mean, almost every transgender person you're gonna meet has a transgender childhood story to tell you. So, I mean, you know, it's not like almost all. And it's funny because I've met people who they transition later later in life as well. But I mean, I transitioned later in life for practical reasons, really. I mean, because I looked into it in 2001, was 30, I guess I would have been 31 years old uh when I looked into it. And it was really difficult. But I knew by the time I was about 12 years old that I was gonna do it. It just took me, you know, 40 years to get around to it, that's all. So but almost all of us have have a story where we can say, yeah, this was very difficult when we were children. This is what we experienced. And I think it's worse. You know, I think it's sorry, I what I really want to say there is I think it's better today. I think it was more difficult for me because I didn't have any words to explain what I was going through. You know, so if when I'd say something to my parents, you know, I think they were just like, oops, no, that's that's not what we do around here. And I think, you know, now children today have have a at least we have the the verbiage, whether they're allowed to explore their genders, I guess, of course, still ends up being in part up to the parents, but at least we have the verbiage and the awareness.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:50

So oh yeah, and well, you already said it's already over 30 years of study, so of course, right? I was just saying this is a brand new thing.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:58

Look, I'm not look, there's trust me, there's gonna be episodes where I attack the when it comes like woke and political crackers, I attack the left hard on that. Don't tell me how to talk, damn it. Don't talk, don't tell me how to talk. I get real feisty real quick. So don't tell me how to talk. And I gotta very mind so with this progressive friend I got. I said, don't I said no, uh, don't don't accuse me of of calling a disabled person retarded. I said, you know, in that contest I was calling Donald Trump retarded. For for for his I got a lot of things to say about Trump. I said, his policies are retarded. I said, you know I'm talking about Donald Trump. Oh, you're just a disabled. I said, no, I did not. What are you talking about? Are you delusional? I want to say delusional person. I said, what are you talking about? Yeah. I clearly said Donald Trump's laws are retarded.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:46

I don't care how you feel after that. If you get offended by that statement, I don't care about I there's times I don't care about your feelings. Yeah, I'm gonna be more harsh than the right on that. I'm not gonna care. If you're gonna just react and become a baby out of it, no, I'm gonna treat you like a baby. I said, No, you're not, you're not worthy of this discussion. You're not worthy. And this person, even though not as around the same age as you, you thought I'm talking about a 14-year-old that is quote unquote walk, but this person is around the same age. And I I said this, no, it's a no, I said, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't, don't, don't, don't conflate now. No, no, no. I didn't say I have more compassion for those people. And I was even labeled retarded as a child because I learned things where I know what that is. Yeah. I said I'm calling him retarded, because first of all, he's the president. He's been called worse. A lot of people like hearing that word, but I don't care. I was raised with that word, or so be it. Uh but I can be kind of compassionate if I want to be, but don't don't micromanage, don't micromanage my thoughts. That's that's like an AC. And I'm even and I'm even more credible than the right because they weaponizing anti-Semitism. That's definitely an attack on 1A, especially when it's legit criticisms of um Israel, which they are. Uh, you know, and but I'm I don't want to get too deep into that. But my point is, if you're gonna micromanage how I talk, I think, I say, yeah, no, you're part of the thought police. And trust me, ain't just not just the left. This one, she she's she's progressive. I also got the right, try and do that, but they're more slick about it. They're definitely more slick. Not using anti-Semitism to do thought police. No, no, no, can't criticize Israel, even though they have could they're clearly attempting genocide, kill a lot of innocent people. That's a fact. That's a fact. I agreed. Yes, that's a fact. I could criticize the Israeli government. If I say all Israeli people are evil, yeah, that's really anti-Semitism. But I'm gonna criticize the government for being far right, being too vicious. No, that should be allowed. No, no, don't see that's the weaponization they're using. And and I always tell a couple of people, no, no, no, no, be careful with the right because they're gonna sit there for freedom of speech. Until they get power, they're gonna be slick about it, they're gonna use a shield that seems normative, and then they're gonna get away with cancer culture. So no, I I criticize both parties with with that with that issue. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And revising history, you know, I criticize both sides with that. No, no, just be authentic, find evidence. History develops if we find, you know, filling the missing pieces and all, just like science, but not in the way we will normally think, like, for example, we're gonna pinpoint why how you know this homophobia came to America. We don't have we have an idea, we have inferences and some conclusions, but we don't have something more precise. Yeah, there's some thinking we can get into that. And you know, I I I actually agree with your general analysis of that. It's nothing to inspire anything that's misinformation. But if you disagree, you know, there's a comment section, people. Let's just engage in that. But if you but if you want to agree, just give them if you want to agree and just say, or even add more to the discussion, feel free to do that. I know not only just the haters, but even the supporters I want to add into it. Or constructive people, you know, you have respect, you know, you have a point to make that you can disagree, and feel free to put that in the comment section. So I think we already touched a lot, and I want to say, look, Jen, the reason why I think not think the reason why we should care about this, because at the end of the day, I want to just answer real simple. There are people just like us. There are people just like us. And they've been there in the eye for the most for the most part, 99.99% of the time, they have been unfairly criticized and you could think their lifestyle is weird, but sure. I I will even think that, but hey, they're not harming anybody, so who cares? That's why I care about more. Okay, and to be honest, you don't have to look at that that population. Look at men and women. You could find a lot more violence there in crime. It doesn't have to be just violent ones, even deceptive ones. Trust me. It's gonna be hard. It's like it's like trying to find needle in a haystack for trans community, even um homosexual couples. And I said it again it's mathematically possible for them to outpace their heteronormative counterparts in these crimes. Percentage-wise, yeah, that means you that just means you're just skewing numbers, and you just found that one, and you just make it seem like it's all of them. No. And I've said it before. In the very few, let me emphasize again the very few trans people have committed a crime. It's very few. It's probably one, if you want to dig, probably really, really are true. Not even all full land. Okay. The problem is, look, the sports thing we get into. I definitely want to invite you again because there's definitely more stuff I want to talk about. Because I think that one we we might we we definitely might clash more. But however, I'll say this treat them, they're people, they're people. So as the pronouns are not way out of the world, like what's a good example? And some straight, some normal, this, you know, some males and women, they play around with this stuff too. I am sexy. That's nonsense. If they look, if they're respectful, learn their pronouns. If they're crazy, don't. That's what I'm gonna say. But which is not again. Very few. This is I have to emphasize this. Don't say I'm virtual signaling. Because I said again, they commit bad things, they're open to criticism. I'm with you there. And and then the sports thing, you don't have my opinion. I didn't talk about that. Because to me, I'm gonna be honest, and I even tell the right-wing guests about that, too. That's not the biggest issue to me. There's a lot more crazier stuff going on. If I have free time, once American Cold calms down a little a little bit, I will talk about the trans and sports. And some and some liberals are critical, or certain liberals, certain centrists are critical of that. Me, I would have my concerns, but you know what? I'm gonna give you an interesting opinion. One right-wing Christian. They said, nope, allow them. The left one, you know, these women are stupid. Let them get their asses handed to the by the trans. I said, Yeah, I will link that Piers Morgan episode. Yeah, it's a very spicy one for sure. About trans and in sports. If you want to get your blood blood boiled, I'm just worried, it's very controversial, but I am gonna put the link in that description. Piers Morgan.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:18

Yeah. I mean, I watch Pierce Morgan. If I want entertainment, I look, he's I want to say like this about him. He's the smartest idiot I've ever met. Some takes are really great, in my opinion, and some is just what?

SPEAKER_00: 1:19:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:35

To me, he's the smartest idiot I've ever met, if you know what I mean. He's very smart in some areas. I mean, he knows how to generate controversies, be instigative, and slick as some people, especially on the left, are onto him, but they still fall for his trap. You need to. I don't know what's a good idea here. Call him on his BS. I agree. With that. Some of the right need to do that a little more often. But look, I didn't mean to bring up Piers Morgan, but that because he's he's he said he respects trans rights, but the sports thinks he has an issue with that. May I just say, well, if we gather enough trans, maybe create their own division. That's the only thing I put as a proposal. I don't know that's gonna work, but um, you know what? That'll be not a final topic. I want to hear your take on that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:27

Well, it's gonna, I mean, you may you we may almost want to do a different a different episode. I it so happens, you know, for what it's worth, I have a friend. She's a science correspondent for several, you know, CNN. She's a science correspondent for CNN. Her name is Starvartan. She wrote a book, uh, published a book recently, July 15th, I think it came out of 2025, so fairly recently, called The Stronger Sex, that that talks about our perceptions of strength in especially when you look at sports performance. And a lot of what we believe is pretty much just crap. We we have this belief that that people assigned male at birth are necessarily going to be better in sports performance than people assigned female at birth. Anyway, there's a lot in this book. That I have also, you know, there some of their there are some intersex characteristics, five alpha reductes deficiency, for instance, that comes up when we look at women's sports. Anyway, I would love to do an episode on that if you want to. It just so happens that, you know, I helped Star or I spoke with Star as she was writing this book. Full disclaimer, by the way, I'm actually quoted in the introduction, so don't, you know, I'm not trying to sell it, not getting any kind of residuals, but love to do that because there is a lot of science that is false, that that is commonly understood, but false.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:53

So that's such a great tease, and this show is pro plug-in, pro-shameless plug. I'm a capitalist on that one. So hey, be shameless. Yep, just be yep, just throw it in there. It doesn't matter to me. It's very relevant, especially timely relevant. Yep.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:09

All my visible checkmarks, you know, my visible checklist has been complete already. Um so that's a good tease for that. Yeah, there's a lot of talk about and on that, and me, I'm late to the part, but I don't care because I have more facts than the people who just jump in there. And Piers Morgan would absolutely disagree with that book because he's just because he's he already said he said it multiple times. I'm gonna paraphrase what he says that 99% of the sports men are just better than women at. It's almost anything. It's only like one or two sports that that women are better than men in.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:45

That's you know, that's what he thinks quantify what better means. That's the big point.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:52

Right. So Pierce Morgan debunked, or is he somehow right? Well, that'll give me free future tease. All of seriousness though. I had so much fun, it was a lightning conversation, and I definitely learned something. And you know what? Check her out, check Ami out, okay? Check the website, she got a couple of social medias. Check that podcast, that beautiful paw. You know, I'm becoming more of an animal lover as I get older. That's the thing I realize. I have a soft spot for cats and even certain dogs.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:29

Yes.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:30

So I I'm I'm Team Cat. You know, I'm I'm partisan comes to animal. I'm definitely team cat. Easily. The purple paw clan. Check it out. Check it out, especially if you want to dive deeper into trans perspectives, experiences, issues that go through. I mean, come on. I mean, if you want me to talk about that, so someone's gonna stay as a man. I'm not the best person. I could probably I could probably be at best, and I'm just feeding my ego here, as a temporary co-host just to provide certain perspectives on certain topics, but I'm not gonna be the number one person there and that's not because I look, I don't know what it's like. I'm never gonna know what it's like to fully go through that, but I can at least listen and learn something. Okay, that's what I encourage you to do. You could disagree. I don't that that's not my issue. It's how you go about it. If you want to become the next Nancy Mace, put in the comment section, but if you want to be at least fair-minded, you can be critical, constructive about it. The free put it there. If you're a supporter, who's uh I know we have a trance on Pursuit's Reagan, I think Sarah McBride, if I'm not mistaken, a Democrat. You know, if you want to be Vermont, yep. Bernie Sanders in that state, too. You know, he's a native New Yorker. You can never take the New York out of him. I'll say that much. There you go. New York bias right there, but you know, but that's a whole that's a first world issue. That's that's not that important. So if you want to be pro Sarah McBride, be an ally to Sarah McBride, or be Team Nancy Mace. You decide, you decide, you know, and it's true. Look, it's true again. We always like to find a villain, pick on the dehumanize them without digging and trying to create our own picture at least, or trying to see the big picture, okay? And we need to do that more. That's the big lesson here, all right. So again, check this doctor out. Dr. Army. I don't know why you don't force people to call you doctor, your PhD, or you're even a scientist, so you don't care about that as much.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:49

Yeah, you know. I mean, I do, but you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:52

Oh, yeah, you should have forced that meaning. Oh, I like to be called Dr. Army, so I would have done that. That's an important. You study your stuff. I mean, you you're certified. I mean, you know, sure. Oh, certified for sure, yeah. Certified. So you know, uh, but well, I mean, she you don't have a big ego like me. If I was doctor, I probably would have forced that more. Again, you're you're you're you're a definite ego-triven like I am, obviously. Again, give Dr. Army some support, okay? Got YouTube, LinkedIn, and a TikTok. Even though I think I'm gonna have to learn TikTok, I thought it's gonna be bad for like the umpteenth time, but once there's a deal, there's money to be made in control. Yep. Which I'm concerned now more because I was at first I was anti-Tik tock because of national security concerns with China. I think they were kind of legitimate, but I don't know. A lot of dumb Americans put so much crap in there that it's not really an issue. And if you want to compromise your privacy, well, that's your choice. You're an idiot. That's just me. But that's gonna change. Probably to be honest. Until you know what changed your mind? It was helping small business. They didn't change your own. Okay, fine. TikTok could stay. Not because of the dumb young people. Because trust me, I got that. That that's all I saw. The dumb young stuff. Oh, about the school, the violence, and the misinformation that they spread on wildfire. I was like, oh, you know, I don't care, this thing gets banned. But now that uh US can have its own version, be on the lookout, especially if you are a heavy TikTok user and content creator. Just be on the lookout for that. I'd be more a little more sympathetic. Don't get me wrong, I'll never be a full TikTok person, but I can at least get I can at least understand why it's popular. Because I studied it, you know, but I'll never be a big TikTok user. So and don't convert me to skibbity garbage. I would never that part, I'll I'm I'm adamant about that one. I would never learn that. I will be a boomer. I'll be a millennial, a billion, or boom millennial, whatever the heck you want to call it. That I'll never I'll never pick that up. That's garbage to me. There's things I'm hard-headed about. That one I'm proudly hard-headed, it's just no use. That's for you, alphas and Gen Z. I'm too old for that shit, pun intended. I was gonna end it at that by thank you for a thank you for, you know, just for being this podcast and give your, you know, just give the perspective of what what we are, you know, the blind spots of mainstream America, because it's still pretty blind, even though the Democrats have UGF revolts, and you know, I don't know what caused it to be such big issue. I blame media, that was just media, left, right media for different reasons. Left was more glorified, right? Was just villainizing it. That's a simple version of it, of course, but I think that's what brought it up. And you know, media loves controversy, they love rage bait, doesn't matter if it's left, right, or center. Okay, right. So that's another thing uh that's not that's another thing I pay attention to. All right, let me let me end it right here. Now for my shameless plugin. Like, comment, subscribe, share this with someone, especially if you know they could benefit tremendously. You know what was the attended target here, right? It should be pretty clear to you. Or share with, you know, non-transgender people. Yeah, there you go. So they can be educated as well. It doesn't have to be just a trans audience. I just think if you're gonna at least have an increased understanding, tolerance into acceptance, it needs to be shared on abroad. Are you gonna get negative reactions? Yeah, sadly, that's part of the process. I wish it could be just simple as simple talk, human brain programs it. 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Did I don't get me wrong, I got I don't mind reviewing Republicans to be on my show. I talked to a couple of them. But if you present yourself as a nut or just be out of whack, so oh, I want to talk about fashion or the size of Kim Kardashian's rear, bye. I don't care about that. I don't care about that. Goodbye. So that's it. Now we reach to the end. I think I'm done verbally beating the haters to death here. So once you complete this audio or visual journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon, or night.