330- Psychedelics, Hope, And Hard Truths With Diana Colleen

We challenge the stigma around psychedelics, contrast therapy with recreational use, and trace a journey from trauma to healing with honest talk about safety, science, and hope. We also press into climate action, billionaires’ responsibility, and how personal change can ripple through society.

• underground psychedelic-assisted therapy as a lifeline for trauma and depression
• therapy versus recreational use and why set and setting matter
• safe dosing, sitters, and integration practices after sessions
• connection to nature, spirituality, and renewed hope
• access, cost, and decriminalization across US cities and states
• pragmatic climate talk and what billionaires could do cooperatively
• political fatigue, media noise, and building civil discourse

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Chapters

• 0:00 Kicking Off A Controversial Topic
• 1:21 Meet Diana Colleen
• 2:36 Trauma, Despair, And Finding Underground Help
• 5:05 Billionaires, Climate, And Cynicism
• 9:30 Why Psychedelics Were Shut Down
• 11:17 What The Science Shows Now
• 13:40 Individual Healing To Social Change
• 16:58 Therapy Vs Recreational Use
• 19:05 Bad Trips, Safety, And Set And Setting
• 22:00 Nature, Connection, And Integration
• 24:33 Hope, Kindness, And Daily Ripples
• 27:00 Spirituality And The “God Molecule”
• 31:00 Misinfo, Speech, And Social Media
• 34:05 Decriminalization And Access
• 37:10 Politics, Primaries, And Fatigue
• 43:05 What Billionaires Could Do Better
• 46:10 Nuance, Reform, And Realism
• 49:30 Practical Advice For First-Timers
• 52:20 Wrap-Up, Book Launch, And CTAs

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:06

Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, Elias. Well, this is gonna be a very, very interesting topic. And who knows, I might go a little crazy. At least that's what so many people are gonna think. We're gonna talk about psychedelics. I mean, and we're gonna talk to this lovely young woman here. Is that a smile that is just showing how mad she is? Or is it something that we don't understand by psychedelics? We just think, well, we just take these chemicals and go crazy. We see you remember those hippie shirts. Yeah, I'm going a very boomer example. This is the only one I know, unfortunately. Those psyched those LSD designs with a rainbow and the flowery designs. You think you're just gonna see all that with psychedelics? Or I don't know, you may be in another world, or maybe it could be, you know, maybe, or maybe it's not as bad. I don't know. We're gonna see if Diana Colleen is mad, or there is a method to this madness that we humans just want to stigmatize because of fear or ignorance or the religious, righteous people, all right. We're gonna see, we are gonna see about that. So I know some of you don't like the long intro, so I'm just gonna just do it for now. We're gonna get I'm gonna jump right straight into it. So let's welcome Diana Colleen. This is our infotainment right here. So before we get started, what do you want the viewers and listeners to know about you? Feel free to introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34

Sure. So I grew up with a lot of trauma, including poverty, like eating out of garbage cans, poverty, sexual assault, all kinds of stuff. And so in 2018, I felt like my life was optional. I didn't want to be here anymore. And I had tried talk therapy, you know, the standard types of things that you do for severe depression, and nothing worked for me. And I was very fortunate to find an underground psychedelic-assisted therapist who I believe saved my life. I truly do not believe I would be here today if I had not found her. And since then, I have trained as a psychedelic facilitator myself. So I do know what I am talking about when it comes to psychedelics. So that's kind of my background. And I just wrote a novel that hopefully will change the narrative around billionaires, psychedelics, and climate change. And that book is called They Could Be Saviors.

SPEAKER_02: 2:48

No, right. I mean, you know, I think uh talk about the billionaire and the climate thing, just real briefly. I think there was one who was dealing with environmentalism, but I don't see like he was credible. I just think he was doing it for the money. I forget his name. He was in a Democratic 2020 primary. He didn't make it very far, which was hopeful for me because, you know, people, you know, billionaires just throwing a bunch of money, they just think they have an easy ticket to nomination. I'm happy that it happened, even though I'm not a fan of I'm not a fan of a lot of politicians. I'm an independent, I'm very critical and cynical of most politicians. That does include Donald Trump. Yes, I'm not just bashing Democrats. I'm bashing Republicans too, because they're both silly. And I could be, and I could bash them further, but you know, I'm not gonna make this too political at least. It's gonna be pretty political, but not too political, because look, if they focus the efforts, I'm sure it can be making progress. I mean, countries like Japan and Singapore, the examples I go to, I'm sure there are others that they're very clean. If they have a more I I have to agree with the left on this one, I see more nationalistic focus of environmentalism. You know, it it'll be much um cleaner, but you know, since it's by state and local, they got their standards, or some just don't care, to be quite honest. I've been to red states and blue states, and it's a night and day difference. Um if it's a red state, just dump everything in the trash, the sand teacher picks up. That's nice and simple. Sometimes I miss that. But you know, states like New York, California, they have different receptacles for different types of recyclables or even waste. Now New York just added compost, waste food, and whatever, whatever gross thing you can think of. But uh, but you know, it's sometimes it's inconvenient, but but but my cynical self just say, but I see a lot of them end up in the landfill. So what's the point of all this? I can understand this was used to actually bring change, and then I would have been more open to it earlier. But I just say, you know, you know what's the most pragmatic thing I can think of? We live here, might as well just take care of the thing. That's the only pragmatic thing I think of. All I'm gonna say is speak to me as a teenager about it. I would have been like the most far right. So I don't care. It will take care of itself or somehow, or just leave me alone. I just want to have fun, damn it. Just don't don't let you know the climate change. Uh you thought I was a far-right radical anarchist, and I wouldn't blame you just based on that commentary, even though I was more I was I was I was definitely the moderate Democrat at that time. But the environmentalism was I don't get rats behind. But but yeah, I think I think we had a more nationalist, especially with some people who got heavy wallets. I think some change, some change could definitely happen. Uh but the thing is we got all these kind of laws and some you know, individualism that doesn't always help. Look, I'm pro-America, but I'm a tough lover. I criticize America where it falls apart. I love America, but I was not afraid to criticize it, okay? And there's a lot we could talk about there. And I love a clean environment. I mean, I hate to say it during the 2020 pandemic, I have smelled clean air for the first time ever when there was no cars coming through.

SPEAKER_00: 5:53

It was amazing. Oh my gosh. I I was so hopeful, so hopeful that we were gonna change, you know, like that we were learning things during the pandemic as hard as it was. But I don't think we we really did learn anything. And and back to what you were saying about, you know, like recycling and and you know, like we're we're all being told to take shorter showers and stop using plastic straws and all this stuff. That yeah, it kind of makes a little bit of a difference, but we really need to be focusing on the billionaires. There are like 3,000 billionaires in this world, and they pollute thousands of times more than individuals do. They're the ones that are making policies and and creating most of the damage that is being done to the planet, and we're the ones who are being asked to change our behaviors, and they're not being asked to change their behaviors. So that's where I think our focus should be.

SPEAKER_02: 6:50

Oh, yeah, for sure. Listeners and viewers, even though that's gonna be topic for definitely later in the future, but I just want to just point that out because I just think look, it is important, and nowhere I get back to climate change, and look, I said the left has finally won me over. But it took time because I did point out a lot of hypocrisies and ineffective methods I've seen to it, you know, and that's just yeah, I think we just need to just take care of the earth because we just live in it. That's just the most pragmatic thing I could just come up with. Don't make it political, make it political. You're gonna upset a lot of people. You'd be surprised some people on the right got different ideas, but they mean the same thing. Like conservationist people, you know, you can probably get some alignment with that. I'm not expecting you to agree every single thing, you know, gun issues, drug issues, you're definitely gonna debate there. That's fine. You know, I don't want I don't want anyone agreeing on the same thing, or America would be boring. Well, I'm saying is we need to just my my criticism is more the approach. People just like to act like children. I'm right, you're evil. Just like team sport. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, the Democrat shut Trump up. Yeah, but what Trump does the same thing. And to me, that's that's that's pretty chaotic. I don't care where you lean politically, man, it's it causes a lot of problems. But I want to I want to focus on psychedelics because I just think and not just generally me very ignorant to psychedelics, I've had much experience with it. I just read some news reports and media and superficial studies. So that's just a way of saying, I don't know, I don't know shit about it. I'm just saying like that. So that's my day. That's I'm gonna just not dance around the bush. So I'm getting educated. All you listen is getting educated, and but if you're a psychedelic expert, come on in. This is your time to shine. Show your bragging right, show in the comment section how superior you are in this topic. I was like, Oh, Lie's got it wrong, even Diana got it wrong. Well, be specific at least. Don't just say Lie is stupid, Diana's stupid, because I'm just gonna say I'm just gonna just ignore that. That's that's that's very juvenile and use your words, right?

SPEAKER_00: 8:56

Tell it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 8:58

Exactly. Formulate your sentences, come on. You know, some of you adults, you know, you text like freaking eight on 15-year-olds. Come on now. Get it together, people, get it together. But that's how the psychedelics, because like I said, I don't know jack squat about it. What potential does it have? And I'm gonna frame this a little differently on the individual level and and in a societal or even cultural, like micro or macro, in other words, and what potential does it have? Since you know, we I said in the beginning, we stigmatize it, and I'm ready to stigmatized it. Well, it was playfully, this it was playfully this one. Because I really I'm really curious, I really want to know. And you know, let's say, is she mad or is Method to the Madness? I mean, this is something that we are not seeing. How can psychedelics be good in an individual or in a societal level? Or actually both.

SPEAKER_00: 9:50

Oh, yeah. Because it starts with the individual, right? So sort of a bit of history about psychedelic studies. So back in it really started in the 40s, the the studies of what psychedelics can do. And there were thousands of studies on on different substances, and they were showing amazing results. And then in the Vietnam War era with Nixon, the psychedelics became associated with the counterculture, like you were saying with the with the t-shirts, right? The the hippies, the that's what people saw psychedelics as is this counterculture, anti-anti-war, anti-government. And Nixon was like, mm-mm, shut it down. And he he shut down the study of psychedelics basically worldwide. So it started in the US and the rest of the world followed. And all of these drugs were scheduled so that they can't even be studied. Like you are not allowed up until recently, you were not allowed to do a scientific study on the effects of psychedelics. And that is slowly changing, and that's what we're we're really hoping, you know, changes a lot. Certain countries have have done a lot more than the U than the US has. But those studies show that psychedelic assisted therapy has incredible effects on things like PTSD and addiction. So they're they're really working hard with with veterans. So, I mean, we all know how much veterans struggle with PTSD, and they have like pretty much the highest rate of suicide out of any group in the world. And psychedelic assisted therapy is saving their lives. And it it's it's not debatable that it is as effective. But the the trouble with these studies, with like the FDA approving these drugs for for therapy, is that you can't have a control group. So when when you're testing drugs, you have a placebo group who who gets the placebo, and then you have the the people who get the actual drug. And you're not supposed to know which one you're getting. With psychedelics, you know if you took a psychedelic, and you know if you didn't get one. So there's there's no control group. So that's the the difficulty in getting these drugs passed through the FDA so that we can actually use them for good. And back to your question about how it affects individuals and then society. So if we if we change as individuals, we change how we behave in society. So, like for not a psychedelic example, but like let's say you're having a terrible day and you go to, I don't know, McDonald's, and they get your order wrong, and you explode and you get all upset, you affect the people working behind the counter. So then they feel like shit and they're gonna have a bad day, and they might treat the next customer rudely because somebody was rude to them, and then that customer is also, you know, they're they're having a bad day because the McDonald's worker, you know, was rude to them, and they they go out into society and they're rude to other people. So it just snowballs. So if you heal yourself, you are going to behave differently in society. And psychedelics, certain ones more so than others, are heart-opening. So they they really change how you feel about humanity and they connect you to other human beings, they connect you to nature. So the the whole point of psychedelics is connection to yourself, to others, and to nature. And once you've experienced that, you behave very differently in the world. And so that is how we change society. And then for things like homelessness, the people that are living on the streets could benefit enormously from this type of therapy, but they're they're probably never gonna get it. They're never never gonna have access to it, especially right now that it's not legal, everything is still underground, and it's really expensive. So it's like I was really fortunate that I had the money to actually go to the therapist. If I had didn't have that money, what would have happened to me? So that's that's how we change society with individual changes.

SPEAKER_02: 15:06

Wow. I mean, no, that's good. Me, I have said this before on this podcast. Find a solution is compatible to you because not all, you know, solutions are one size fit all kind of thing. If it was that simple, the world would change very quickly. I mean, I'm happy that you're alive today, or this podcast will never happen. So thank goodness for that. And and and look, I have learned it when you became non-judgy. If you like, so you talk to me as a teenager psychedelic, I'll just think, okay, you're just a crazy person that takes drugs. Oh, which I will actually that's a good time for the next for for the next question. What are the misconceptions and how do you address them? I already said about the whole hippie shirt thing, that's your vision for a while until the effects wear them. I mean, I'm sure you've heard a lot of interesting misconceptions and how you address them.

SPEAKER_00: 15:54

So I think that there's kind of there's the psychedelics where it's just like, let's go out and trip and have fun, and then there's psychedelic assistant therapy. So they're two very different things. And I think the misconception is like the the party drugs, you know, like so Molly, Molly is MDMA, and MDMA is one of the most powerful psychedelics for therapy. That's the one that really opens your heart. And so it's very different going to a rave or you know, out partying with your friends while you're while you're rolling. Yeah, it's a great time, you you feel amazing, it's blissful, but that is very, very different than sitting with a therapist and talking about, you know, your past trauma and and going through things. So that that's the misconception about psychedelic assistant therapy. It's not about tripping. So it's about healing.

SPEAKER_02: 16:59

So it's not just I take something, I'm gonna go wow, I'm gonna jump, I'm gonna see fine pigs, and the whole world is rainbow, whatever other imaginary, fantastical imagination you got. Answer it there. There you go. That's your little common activity. I want those who are ignored, I want those who are ignorant to answer. Not those who know. No, no, no, no. I don't want no cheaters. Those who don't know, I want those who haven't taken it, like me. I'm part of that camp. Well, what do you think it would be like? I want you to just theorize. I don't know. Those who know, don't answer it. Yeah, I'm sure you got good answers. It's like it's like uh it's like a cat, it's like a freaking uh elephant versus ant on the size. That's how unfair it is. So I want those who will only get it.

SPEAKER_00: 17:41

That's another misconception is that that you have to have this really trippy experience, right? Like that if you take mushrooms, you're gonna be like in outer space and seeing all kinds of things, and which is true if you take enough. Yes, absolutely. I I've I've you know had those experiences myself. And again, that's kind of more of a recreational thing. And you can have some really, really bad trips. I've had a couple really bad trips that scared the beejeses out of me. So that can happen. But that was that was not with a therapist. That was, you know, on my own, that was recreational use. And so there's like you can have a really bad experience on your own. And it's terrifying. But that's the whole thing about the therapy is you are safe. You're in a safe container with somebody who knows what they're doing, who knows how to bring you back to reality and and take the scary away. And just the the feeling of safety will help you not have a horrible trip. So yeah, the the and you and you can take different amounts. So, you know, a small amount of mushrooms, you're not gonna have the visuals, you're not gonna have the the trippiness, but you're going to go inside and have a very internal experience. So you don't have to have the the mystical and all that.

SPEAKER_02: 19:15

Yeah, I call the the imagination coming to life, or at least according to you, right? I mean, it is internal. I mean, the one who feels a good thing is external. Look, I see, I don't know, some kind of half pig, half unicorn, flying rainbows, all that, all that fun stuff. I mean, you experience it, but the other people say, what the hell is this nut job talking about? Those who are I'm gonna call them look the control group because they're not experiencing it, they're just seeing the reality for what it is, probably don't depressing right now. Don't worry, I feel you think. I used to be a depressed person. I I got of it while I was psychedelics. That to me now I don't say that's a miracle, but hey, like I said, I think again, I'm gonna emphasize this find solutions that are compatible to you, and sometimes it's gonna be trial and error. It's okay. You know, don't take a failure. Do not treat failure like a death sentence. Try again and do it and do something different. Don't do the same thing.

SPEAKER_00: 20:10

You know about right? Like yeah, people just continue to do the same thing expecting different results. And yeah, that's the definition of an of insanity, right?

SPEAKER_02: 20:20

Exactly. I know my smart loyal listeners, you understand this. So I don't have to lecture you, but the randoms who just come in there just want to criticize, you're gonna get it someday. I hope. And I'm gonna I'm gonna say it again. I just hope you do because you're hurting yourself. You're not hurting me. Definitely not hurting Diana. You're not doing that. Yeah you can shoot Venom but you know what it's gonna go right to the computer screen it's just gonna stick right there. It's gonna ooze out it's gonna stink up to contaminate your home. So you're hurting yourself. Okay even with your words. Like I've been called all kinds of names and I'm thick skinned both metaphorically and literally so good luck. So go right ahead and do that. But for those of you who are intelligent what is now for those who have experienced it okay the ignorant well I'm gonna be a hypocrite and just use my host privilege. Shameless for those of you who experience it if you're brave comment what the experience was like just comment you I don't need personal information I'm not here to dox. Let's tell what the experience was like how do you feel and then if it includes a trippy experience if what do you see? I'm sure everybody experienced things differently. So I'm sure you're gonna see no like my silly example you know the half unicorn half pig just flying squirting you know shooting rainbows and things like that. It could probably be something different or I don't mean it's like you're in space.

SPEAKER_00: 21:44

I don't know look it's that very it's that's unique as your DNA I guess yeah I don't that's correct but there there are there are common there are common elements of trips like on mushrooms a lot of people feel very connected to nature on mushrooms and and see things in nature my my very first mushroom experience I was in a forest and I remember just lying on my back in the forest and I could see the trees breathing and I could see how everything in the forest including myself was connected and like all these amazing beautiful colors and shapes that that were like everything was formed out of these beautiful colors and shapes and I was just kind of melting into the forest it was unbelievably beautiful and and that I think like once you've experienced that you feel even after the trip you feel this deep connection to nature. And I think that in society today we are really missing that connection to nature we think we're outside of nature but we are part of nature. We are animals we are not we're not above nature and and I think some psychedelic experiences can really help people connect back to to planet earth.

SPEAKER_02: 23:12

I'll go a bit further say you know we think we are gods too so that if you want to get to another level right so oh man I mean yeah we gotta stop doing it look we are not immortal and when carelessness it's gonna hurt and it's gonna be a lot of destruction it's gonna be a lot of death like I'm not gonna sugarcoat it I mean unless you want to take a specific trip drug that that turns your earth into Disneyland. Go right ahead if you want to deny reality but I'd rather give you the horrible scary truth rather than the fantastical lie. I will want the truth to be as great as fantasy but sometimes it's not sometimes you know there's times the truth is beautiful but then sometimes it's just not okay I'd rather give you the scary truth than the beautiful lie.

SPEAKER_00: 24:01

That's just me Love me or hate me for it.

SPEAKER_02: 24:04

Yep go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 24:05

Even with the scary truth though I think a psychedelic experience like you're you're still aware of the scary truth like once you come out of out of the the experience and are living your life you you've integrated what you've learned from the experience and yes you are still aware of the scary truth and what's going on in the world but you have hope. And I think that's what a lot of people people are missing these days is hope. And and that has been like one of the biggest things in my life that has changed is knowing that it's not all bad and that I can make a difference. I think a lot of people feel like one person can't make a difference but like the example that I gave earlier that's how you can make a difference every single day in in the world just by smiling at somebody, just by giving somebody a compliment you know like small things add up so hope you know we have to have hope we have to still have kindness and compassion and and spread joy throughout the world.

SPEAKER_02: 25:14

Oh yeah I mean like last I think I'm happy I become more of a I would say more of a moderately optimistic person. Oh if you're talking as a teenager I'll be the most doomsday I don't want to hear it. So the world's gonna end I mean suicide I mean I did attempt at suicide once so I can relate to that. Of course I didn't take any psychedelics I mean spoiler alert people if you're not aware of I haven't been paying attention I didn't take any psychedelics but me I find for me I found God and I say for me because something he was going to soon project in God. I said no it's entirely up to you I'm not one of those Christians who's gonna have a heavy biblical book and beat you to death with it and shoot you and give you holy water and just say ah get to God you heathen take that you heathen you know I'm not I'm not one of those but then if anything I'm involved with the spirituality I think that's even better and more universal invoice absolutely I I all I say is this all religious they all starting point Christianity Buddhism and all that stuff in which that transitions to my third plan question and then maybe we can sneak in some billionaires in climate change oh I might break a promise there oh well I look I look promises are made to be broken oh well sue me talk crap on me in the comment section I'll be you'll live okay you'll live so this because this is what I'm really curious about how can psychedelic therapy and this is not recreational people and she broke that down real clear so don't if you just mixing two together you're just you're just twisting words okay she broke it down real clear this psychedelic therapy which is more productive is more controlled setting you know you have your experiences while recreational it could be sometimes I do emphasize sometimes it could be trippy or while not all the time you know so and you're doing it with friends is more of a social setting so okay be clear about that so I'm gonna ask only about the good and this is the good part now how do you can it well you already say it gives you like awakening sense of hope I mean can people become extra spiritual you already said about the happiness and sense of hope you already touched on the emotional part so I'm gonna skip that can that enhance the spiritual experience absolutely it's not a given it's not like a hundred percent going to happen for you like a lot of people go into a psychedelic experience hoping that they're going to have a mystical experience and you know there are certain psychedelics like that are there's one that's called the God molecule because a lot of people when they use that think they meet God but it's not you know not the guy in the sky that's not the God they're meeting but like for me personally I've become way more spiritual.

SPEAKER_00: 28:05

I have a much much stronger connection to source that's what I call God. Yeah it's you can't unsee you can't unsee what you see in these experiences. And it really does just it shows you that there's more than than our normal brains can comprehend. And obviously you know I think God whatever you want to call God is incomprehensible. Our human brains cannot comprehend what God actually is but I believe that psychedelics kind of take us to a place where we can start feeling God I guess like actually having a connection and and feeling something inside of ourselves that we didn't have before. So that's that's my own personal experience with it. And some people you know these mystical experiences some people do see angels or demons different different entities some people think they see an actual God and it's all very very personal and and a lot of people are profoundly changed after these experiences.

SPEAKER_02: 29:26

Look some of the religious people I know you're gonna say oh she's trivializing God and all of that look if she was very disrespectful about it I would have said something she's giving very she gave personal experiences and what is possible. I guess feel free correctly if I'm wrong I think it's based on a state of where the person is thinking dominantly if it's probably negative or it's gonna be towards devils or ghoulish things or anything I mean just use Halloween hellish imagery I guess for that and then if the person is maybe more maybe they feeling good or I don't know it could be amplify or it could probably switch something I I look at it's personal experiences with we humans are complicated. Sometimes we don't have that one word I could describe it. I was like what the heck does enui mean it was like state of boredom and carelessness is okay. That I was actually kind of me I said I wish I knew that word I was younger I would have called myself Mr Enui that's a French word by the way so that's why it sounds so weird to some of you who think you know America is the very first language of earth far from it. It was final 11th century. I hate to burst your bubble actually I love to burst you bubble I'm lying there I'm not against English but it's not the very first language of the world we we we spoke make weird sounds as cave people okay uh so let me burst that bubble right there because look look I love some misinformation but I'm but that I'll go against my goal and look and this is why I tell people if I spread misinformation call me out because sometimes if I misinformation you also have to recognize is at times maybe unintentional you're the source of misinformation okay so that's me trying to be as as consistent as I could be okay and look if you want to keep believing bullshit that's entirely up to you. Just don't spread that and project that to me okay I mean look and feel free to express yourself in the comment section I will say wait for rumble if you're gonna say something really spicy spicy because YouTube censors you not me I don't believe in that YouTube does that so if you if you're getting canceled blame YouTube. Okay not the show because I believe in freedom of speech even something stupid inhale if you call for violence that's when I said no no no no yeah the F yeah police need to look into this I'm gonna kill you know if you say I'm gonna you know cut you up to pieces or anything like that I said no no no no no that's I'm not for that speech that's that's that's a deaf threat and that's where I easily draw that line right there.

SPEAKER_00: 32:06

Everything got limits everything got limits okay if it was if if it didn't forget it we would have been okay corral over the nation in America I don't trust America that much okay Americans have violent tendencies I don't know maybe we could do mass psychedelic spray or something calm everybody down I don't know I wrote a short story about putting it in the water oh so oh well I don't know I think I think it should be yeah I think it should be try but I just say you know with people's consent and uh turn of violence maybe like a test pilot I guess sure why not uh look I'm as free Mark even more than a Republican look I think look if people want to you know take psychedelics I just say be educated be responsible it's like everything else you want marijuana and things like that yeah okay it's just you know I just think well you already said decriminalized which is a difference it's still not it's still taboo let's be clear and I think it's still gonna be taboo for a while and look listen people I I'm not against look I've look I've taken certain drugs myself I never tried psychedelic oh I definitely want to try why why haven't you like obviously you're interested in the subject so what is what has stopped you from from trying it's just never been a priority but talking to you that could that could definitely change look because um I have heard people said all kinds of different things one said like really negative experience and but I hear more positive than negative ones a few of them I remember remember some youtuber took it and it was underground because and this person turned out to be a criminal so that doesn't help oh not this guess people not this guess this guess is not a criminal I'm talking about the idiot youtuber Boogie2988 where he went to some freaking shaman okay that already sounds a little suspicious right there he calls us over shaman he couldn't even provide his credentials so yeah that's the thing you have you have to find somebody who is actually like trained and and there are shamans out there who are real shamans and that's a whole different experience I've done you know the ceremonies with shamans and that's that's very different than than your you know your recreational thing and it's very different than psychedelic assisted therapy and that's kind of a third category of of psychedelics is these ceremonies with shamans with certain substances and those are extremely powerful as well.

SPEAKER_02: 34:41

Yeah I think um for a while he was kind of I don't want to say cure curiosity is a strong word that he wasn't depressed he was definitely feeling all kinds of definitely happier emotions at this case with the shaman and why I bring this up is because look that's the only one that I got that's related to a a YouTuber and that I used to watch it from time to time until he he fell apart. I already knew his nice guy was a bit fake but when he was angry and all that you know that's the when he was when we played character Francis yeah he was yeah so I th I think he's more like Francis um for those of you who didn't figure it out at the time well you was living your own bubble and you don't need to be and you definitely don't need to take psychedelics for that's called being a denial being copium you could choose to deny reality you don't need drugs for that you just you just gotta be childish you just gotta be foolish and trust me that's a human thing you know drugs needed for that you can deny you can deny reality by just sitting on your couch watching TV all day you know that's denying reality you get up you go to work you come home you sit on the couch to watch TV all day for the rest of your day that's denying reality.

SPEAKER_00: 35:50

Yep that's a very practical simple example and guess what most people could do that yeah because it's it's hard to look at reality it's it's it it makes you angry it makes you sad and nobody wants to feel angry and sad so let's just watch TV.

SPEAKER_02: 36:08

Yep and binge watching has made that even worse uh what do you want to capture watch a whole series but uh we're not I'm we're not gonna go too deep into that look what do you really think about psychedelics have your mind changed or you're doubling down on the stigma you're willing to give it a try at least even you're skeptical you know all I say is this I and I have changed on this because before I used to knock it before I try a lot of people do that people are judgmental but that's just hardwired that's human nature unfortunately try it and then give your opinion don't give opinion responsibly oh and that definitely that's important don't don't go on the casual trippy experience I don't recommend that especially with if you're with a bunch of strangers or people you don't trust okay because I'm sure people can do funny things with that but like I'm not saying it's good or bad I just say if you want to try it just give it a shot. Yeah so I came from being ignorant and jokingly just that may just bust her chops a little bit and she's mad or there's method to this madness. Well obviously there's some methods madness especially if it's therapy remember it's like look there was you know medical marijuana to treat pain. Remember that was a buzz maybe this could be the next one maybe but I this is why I'm not surprised um I think what states like Colorado has decriminalized so much Oregon yeah like the the West Coast especially definitely not New York New York we're that one we are still kind of like center we well we used to be center right now we just in center on on drugs drugs that's folks again I'm in Seattle and Seattle is the city is decriminalized so yeah it's it's it's a step in the right direction for sure. Look that's I think that's the way it's gonna go eventually and I won't be surprised if you know more conservative right-leaning states are gonna be the slow ones here because they lock you up just for drugs that's just their you know law and order branding that's their thing. Look I used to agree with that I'm wholeheartedly if you talk to me I was a bit younger I was definitely more to the right on some things but as time gets older I realize I'm more centered in certain things I'm progressive. Healthcare I definitely lean definitely more progressive on that one.

SPEAKER_00: 38:28

I'm Canadian so I I have a different perspective on on the whole healthcare thing because I'm Canadian. Even even living in Canada like when I was a kid well teenager I used to have this giant oversized t-shirt that said drug free body I was so proud that I never touched drugs and I was totally anti-drug. And now as as an adult I'm like hey not all drugs are bad and yeah so people change and that's a good thing. When people say you can't people don't change they're full of shit. And and if you don't change over your lifetime you're doing something wrong. So people do change people can change and that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02: 39:09

I I agree I think for healthcare I didn't know what position I was I was so on this side but I know definitely the rights you figure it out you're on your own for neutral I definitely will will agree with the progressive thing and are we gonna tax it and all that maybe we had to definitely increase some tax I won't be surprised because healthcare is expensive I mean let's be real tax the rich if we tax the rich then we can afford healthcare oh yeah that's what America is not doing it like all the other nations so and not like we not like America used to I mean America used to tax at 95 90% over a certain amount of money you you were taxed at 90%.

SPEAKER_00: 39:55

And that's when America was in its heyday when we were you know going Going to the moon and doing like all the things, and we were number one in so many things because we were taxing the rich. And then Reagan Reagan comes along and is like trickle down economics. Well, look at how that's working.

SPEAKER_02: 40:12

It's not, it's not working. Like trickle down hell, but hey, hey, I mean, uh, I mean, I was not uh, I mean, I think it was like a probably a few things I agree with him, but definitely not that, not definitely not that economic policy. I think that's too to the right for me. I do believe in fiscal responsibility, don't get me wrong, but yeah, the that one I mean, yeah, I did I did read read up on that. No, she's actually right. We we taxed the rich far more aggressively, and if if a lot of things were more well funded, I mean look, even welfare is generous and all that, cuz but you know, now it's got so many laws that wealthy just dodge these taxes, even exempt so much that someone pay very little on taxes while the normal person gotta pay more in taxes, be more in percentage, and even some cases more on dollar amount. Yeah, cuz yeah, I mean crazy. Yeah, it it is crazy, but then this is why, you know, is why America is different. Obviously, if this is this is a bad thing to be different, different in and let's see. But you know what's but let me just talk about the I think what's going on with the elections to the offseason. Well, Democrats have one of seats and positions, and not just not just you know, moderate Democrats, even more Democrats, socialists. Look at New York, right? Yeah, yeah. I city, yeah, where I'm at. You know, Jeramandani won pretty I'll yeah, I'll say literally less than yeah, about one and a half hours. Jermandani won, and I didn't think I didn't think he was gonna get a majority, but he overperformed on on that part because he was was a current opposite went by 43, 44 percent. Well, he won by 50.5, so that's majority right there, people technically. Anything over 50 percent is majority. You mean 50.1%, 50.01%, yes. Um I I'm not good at math, but I know that much, okay? And you know, and I'm well I'm I wasn't as surprised at the Virginia governor's race that um Abigail Speraber, even though she has no charisma, she's so robotic, but it's such a blue state, anyways, that that that that yeah, she was gonna win by a decent margin. The one I was paying attention to was New Jersey, my next door neighbor. I said, I don't know, Jack Chillarelli, the Republican, only lost by three. Be careful, be careful. Well, the Democrats didn't sleep on that one. That's because Mikey Sherrow won by 13. I like Mikey Sherrow. If I was New Jersey, I would have easily voted for Mikey Cheryl. Look, I'm purple. Look, I vote Republicans before, like the last mayoral 2021. I vote for Curtis Lee because I know Eric Adams was crooked, was crooked. I voted Republican there because I thought he was he was definitely much better equipped to handle the city. A lot of corruption popped up. Now I was attacking Dems Har. So you voted for him, you voted for him. I didn't. I went for Curtis Leewell. You know, he lost by like 30 points. But you know, it's a very blue, it's a very blue city. What do you expect? You know, independents and Republicans. I think we had to unite on that one. That's the only way for now. But and that's only in a general election because the primaries, independents can't vote, especially states like New York and New Jersey. Those primaries just means Democrats going for Democrat, Republicans going for Republicans. Independents are shut out completely. That's how it is. But I know a lot of the states are more open on that, letting independents join. But states like New York.

SPEAKER_00: 43:29

I don't under I don't understand primary. Like I said, I'm I'm from Canada, and we don't have primaries in Canada. And I just the the amount of money that is wasted on primaries is mind-blowing. And then you've got people who are like on the same team, like saying all kinds of shitty things about each other because they want to beat their teammate so that they can go into the the big race. And that just like that that doesn't make sense to me at all. Like you should be working together, and I think the party should be choosing who is going to lead them rather than like all this money being spent on the people choosing the party leader. The party should choose. It it just makes no sense to me. But that's totally off topic.

SPEAKER_02: 44:18

Hey, no, but no, actually, I is on topic because this is about how American politics work, and and that's what you get for being a Canadian native. But hey, I don't know how Canadian elections are run. I'm assuming it's simpler.

SPEAKER_00: 44:32

That's why I could say it doesn't go on for years. It feels like there's always an election going on in this country. It's like there's signs out all the time, and it's like, oh, okay, there's always a ballot. Like in Washington State, we we vote by mail, and there's always a ballot. And I'm like, I I'm a dual citizen, but I'm from Canada. Sorry, so I am allowed to vote here. But yeah, it's like in Canada, before a big election for prime minister, it's like maximum two months that we're talking about it. And here it's like years. Like as soon as there's an election, you start talking about the next one. It's like you never get a break. It's just crazy to me.

SPEAKER_02: 45:15

Yeah, no, I agree. Even the slow time is always even a little something, which is this is the off-year, this is the off-year election. This is you know, only certain places like Virginia, New Jersey, New York City, now New York State people, that's next year. Just to back her point up even more. Now we now New York's we're here thinking about picking the governor. And then maybe 2027 will be a little oh no, forget it. President starts at 2027. That's two years right there. All the bashing that media friends, you go rah-and all the commentary and all of that. Yeah. So I um well, you're not wrong. I completely honestly I wish we would slow down a bit. I mean, even I think European countries at max is like three to six months on on average, their elections compared to um America. Yeah, America is always something going, it's always another thing going, even during off, even during off. That's why I say 2027 is the fake break period, because this is when people start talking about the president for 2028. Yes. Yes. So you're all right to just back your more. I wish you could slow down a bit. I'm with you there. As someone who was born in the United States, yeah. So you're, you know, I think I think a lot of Americans feel fatigued too. So I'm not committed. So I you're I get I get where you're coming from. You're not, you know, she's definitely not crazy. I agree. I agree. I wish I could just, oh, I wish nothing could happen for three months. I could recover. I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_00: 46:38

It's no wonder we're going crazy. Like we we are literally going crazy. And yes, it's the media, it's the elections, it's all of it. Yeah, so yeah, we need Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 46:50

So for new, you for I'm gonna speak for New Yorkers right now. We just finished picking our mayor, and now we're gonna jump to the governor's race. Okay, and this is for next year, all right? And then we have the primaries and then the general election, and then in 2027, like I said, this is the this is already the tea up to the president. You have all the way to yeah, two years. I always say it's two years, because it's always what these all these primary, or especially for the party that's an opposition, they always have their set of candidates. Well, in this case, it's gonna be interesting because Trump stops saying third term. Damn it, I'm tired of hearing that. Because you're just wilding everybody and and left, stop losing your shit over it. It's not gonna happen. And if he does it, and then and even if he does it, the army get his ass out by force. Okay, no, I don't care. I don't care. Okay, I don't care. Okay, I'm just saying just drag him out if you have to, or tie him to bed, get him out, embarrass him if you have to. Because this the dash has got to stop him. Uh Trump is an interesting character. That's just putting him out.

SPEAKER_00: 47:58

Yeah, and interesting is a nice word for Trump.

SPEAKER_02: 48:02

Oh, I'm sure your state hates him. I know. I know just a political breakdown on that. That one I think the I think like a good chunk of the rest was Oregon, or definitely California, California, and I think Massachusetts are the MVP of being anti-Trump, even more than New York. New York got a soft spots, like Syracuse, uh Rockland County. They're, you know, they're not big counties, but they're definitely very Republican over there. New York is weird. Uh of course, New York City, like the the major cities are very super Democrat, but if you go to like the rural areas and all that, just like all the other states, they're generally I'm sure you go outside of Seattle. I'm sure those districts are, you don't see Trump or Vance or whoever the hell is gonna. I might even care about 2028. It's not looking, it's not looking that interesting. I don't know, but uh okay. I'm going way off topic now. This is a this is a this is a feature of the podcast, not a bug. We get to go off topics and it's okay because like I said, natural conversations, we are gonna go off topic. That's part of natural conversations. What do you want me to do? Be structured and ask a question that's gonna take too long, you know, too damn long to read and only give her five seconds to answer just for a freaking soundbite. Are you crazy? Go watch cable news for that crap. Not here, not in a podcast space, okay?

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Not here.

SPEAKER_02: 49:19

All right, let's uh okay, let's bash a billionaires on climate. Just uh, yep, just just a little tease up to God willing for a potential future episode here, because I could definitely that could that's definitely a topic on its own there. What can billionaires, before I wrap this up, what can the billionaires do better? You know, you said they could be the saviors. I mean, just one little thing they could do better right now, so that's just spending money on AI or robotics or whatever that like Elon Musk, I'm just really pointing out there, but what's your take on that?

SPEAKER_00: 49:50

What can they do better? I think if they actually got together and work together, they could solve some of our biggest issues. And the, you know, the the problem is that they all want to be God. They all want to do their own thing and spend their money their way. But if they actually got some of them together, like in my book, and work together, like I truly believe they can solve climate change. So they have they're obviously smart people. Like I don't villainize them in the book. And I think that there's kind of two camps when it comes to billionaires. You've got people who think they're heroes and people who think they're villains. And I just think they're human beings. So in the book, they are treated as human beings with trauma like the rest of us. And if if they came together as human beings and cared about humanity, they could solve our biggest problems because they're very smart and they have the resources. So let's let's have them do some real good for humanity and the planet.

SPEAKER_02: 50:53

Wow, you just debunked the Republican talk about all the you know, all the climate change activists are left, they hate billionaires. They're all villains. So Republicans, that tech's not gonna work, at least not with Diana. But I'm sadly with the climate activist left, it will stick because there's some of them, not not all, some that are really not big fans of billionaires, I'm gonna put it nicely. And look, I can understand you can be critical and stuff like that, and but I do believe that they do got their brilliance, but they have their priorities more focused. Like I actually agree. This is more of a constructive criticism. You know, it's not hate. Criticism doesn't equal hate, disagreement doesn't equal hate. Exactly. What is hate is like I hope your mother dies, you know, that's definitely more hateful, right? I didn't hear anything like that, or or wishing them death or things like that. Something more vile and hateful. Well, you say they really, if they really focus their efforts, which is a very valid constructive criticism. Come on, billionaires, don't have, don't be thin-skinned. Come on, you know it's true deep downside, even though you might spend money on, I don't know, spewing propaganda that me and Diana are crazy. Well, good job wasting your money on that. While you can be solving issues. I mean, look, I'm not against billionaires either. I always kind of I always disagree with that, unless they, you know, did something that's truly worthy of criticism, then yeah, I'm open to that. I mean, just because they're wretched, you know, they're not gods, okay? They just got more money and more resources. At the end of the day, and you know, some are brilliant, and some, let's just be honest, some are nitwits that inherited that wealth. That's very true, too. So I got a nuanced perspective on that one. You know, they're humans just like us. We got the good, the bad, the ugly, the stupid, the brilliant, whatever. Just like all the just like the old uh Sally, the ones on poverty, the ones on poverty, and those are middle class. So Alrighty then. So I think anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?

SPEAKER_00: 52:48

No, just that my book is launching on January 13th, and again, the title is They Could Be Saviors. And I think that people who are interested in psychedelics, climate change, andor billionaires. So, like there I think there's a lot of people who will be interested in in the book.

SPEAKER_02: 53:07

Billionaires, you know, you can help with the advertisement too, you know, for this book. Oh my god, I'm so shameless. You gotta think I'm kissing their there, but you know, something to think about. Something to think about. But hey, come on, give her support. I mean, you don't have to agree with her and everything, but you we live in this earth. There's no backup earth, there's no second earth until I don't know, we discover it. By the time we discover it, it's gonna be way too far. So we just might as well take care of this one and try to get this one right now. Yes. And I don't have to be a national scientist to tell you this shit. This is just pragmatic.

SPEAKER_00: 53:46

Common sense.

SPEAKER_02: 53:48

Oh, I hate that word because it's not so common. I yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you. It should be common sense, but it's so rare. And we don't need psychedelics, we're delusional. Social media and cable TV is good enough, and that's sadly a very legal drug for all of you just to be delusional, okay? So that's all I'm gonna say uh about that. So support her, okay? Be be nice to support her. Go to DianaCollineauthor.com. If you can't spell that for some reason, I have the link, okay? And I'm not gonna spell all that out for you, but I'm gonna have the link right there. It's it's gonna be below the description. It's like I always do in what social media she has. Oh, just TikTok? Oh, I'm gonna be joining there soon.

SPEAKER_01: 54:37

I I'm on Instagram and Facebook, Blue Sky, LinkedIn.

SPEAKER_02: 54:45

Yep, so check her out there. Go to the social medias and oh, whatever is good for you. If you already got that account, we got you know like Instagram. Well, Blue Sky, I'll be joining there. I want to see if it's better than Twitter. I refuse to call it X because I just think Twitter is complete trash now. I mean, I like the back then people argue, but I don't know. It's just so skewed, it's so to me, it's just pointless. Once it's pointless, I just leave. It doesn't have to be left wing, like right wing kind of. I'll see if blue sky is better. If it's trash, I'll end up rejected. That one's a trial, by the way, by permanently expanding to Instagram and at some point TikTok. Yes, I know before I bashed TikTok. I know you can say I'm an idiot, I was wrong, that's fine. I will live. I will live, and you can have your little fun. I got bigger things to worry about, okay? Uh, like most people, I can admit when I'm wrong. That's called being a wise immature adult. And some of you 40-year-olds are acting like four-year-olds, okay? So I feel more bad for you, if anything. Just being honest with you, just being honest. So look at yourself in the mirror, which I know some of you don't want to do that because you're afraid it might break. That's how ugly some of you are. And I'm not talking about physically, talking about spiritually, internally. I don't need to know what you look like, okay? Unless you're that vain. Go look. Trump, he thinks he's the best looking thing in the world. We all know we got the opposite opinion, and people who are objectively fair are gonna say, uh, well, you're 80, and you're supposed to be looking wrinkly and stuff. Hey, you wanna be as vain as Trump? Do that. Um, that's your prerogative, your choice at the end of the day. Like I say, you can feel free to do silly things. I don't really care. Um, that's your life. So that was a very that was a very short plugin. I thought you would have had more. Anything else? No, nothing, nothing else. So, they just get her book, and by the time it's released, it'll probably be a month before the book is released. So, pre-order? Well, we on the lookout for it. So come on, you know, come on, be be be cool. It's just pre-order, okay? I sold, I sold 21st century. You don't just don't wait for the book to come out rushing to Barnes and Noble. That's so I sold last decade. I don't do that anymore, right?

SPEAKER_03: 56:57

We don't do that anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 56:58

Alrighty then. It's actually been great having you. And you know, I definitely learned something with psychedelics. And you know, I definitely want to experience at least once. Once. I don't know when. So sure I got some free time. I want to see. I really want to have my own experience, and I'm sure I'm gonna have a unique one for sure. And I definitely want a therapy setting. I'm not going to the rave and all that other stuff. Definitely not, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00: 57:23

Good. Definitely have somebody with you, have a sitter.

SPEAKER_02: 57:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 57:26

At least a sitter and and hopefully a therapist, but at least somebody who's trained to sit with you and hold space for you.

SPEAKER_02: 57:34

I think I'll go with uh with a therapist. I want to make sure someone who's professional that they know what they're doing. Look, come on, I'm gonna treat myself like I'm an infant. I'm gonna need supervision. I'm an infant here. I don't I I you know I'm I'm a baby here. I'm a baby, I'm a baby. Okay, I don't hope the people's gonna make fun of me. That's okay. I I could take jokes. But just, you know, support her, okay? She's you look, she's not. I don't know, I'm not gonna assume her politics ain't left. She's only talking about several issues here. People, you know, or if you think about it, could be kind of purple if you make mesh them together. Or some are pretty blue, some are pretty red. It's okay. I don't hate Democrats, Republicans, but I do bash the politicians on both sides of the aisle because they both are ridiculous. Let's just be honest. They both are, and this is why we got stupid opinions on both sides of the aisle. All right, and just do your own research, go through your own journey. And if you're gonna advocate for something, just make sure be ready to have supporters and naysayers. I'm gonna say it nicely, or haters. I'll just use haters. Detractors. Yeah, wow, that's a very professional one. I don't like that's not too sophisticated. I'd haters. I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna use a more casual one. But yeah, detractors. Just gotta get ready for it because not everyone's gonna agree with you, and that's part of a democratic society. It's not a bug. Exactly. It's a feature, okay?

SPEAKER_00: 58:53

And we need to learn how to talk to each other without blowing up and without like calling names, having civil discourse with people we don't agree with. That will change the world.

SPEAKER_02: 59:05

Yep, exactly. That's one of my missions, and this is my shameless plug-in for Braver Angels. They're doing that as well. They're in all 50 states. You know, I say they have been more successful Democrat recruitment. Come on, Republicans. You talk about Democrats being snowflakes, or you know, that they don't want to conversate. No, there's plenty that do. Sadly, some on TV, I agree. There are snowflakes, but definitely some of you on the right are snowflakes too. I mean, I'm gonna give one example right now. Zara McDonough's victory. Oh, just shows how much the right lost their shit. It was like the Democrats would have done if someone like Donald Trump won. You are no better. Yeah, we're no better. Some of it, some of it, just like I laugh at the left when they lost their shit when Donald Trump won the first term. I was laughing a bit. So I do understand the policy wise. I agree with them on that. Some of the policies are insane, but being only dramatic is not gonna help you. Now the right is doing that with Zoram on Dial. Islam is saying. Taking over America, social is taking over America. No, he's gonna temporarily be a mayor for New York City. Relax. And people voted for this, okay? And look, look, it I know some of you are unhappy, I get it, and some of you are excited, but just just see what he does. It didn't criticize him when he actually does the damn thing instead of just prematurely yelling, oh everybody has to wear a hijab. Oh, the next 9-11's gonna happen. Oh my god, America's dead. Look, I could bash left saying, Oh, we're a little neo-Nazi. I believe Trump is crazy, but call him fascists and all that, I I I still don't agree with that um either. I I still don't. Look, there's a lot to criticize. Trump, believe me, I there is. There is. But calling those names, you're just kind of trivializing a real horrific historic event that some people choose to deny in this country. Like I said, that there was a poll, and I don't know, there's this poll by Twitter that 25% of them believe the Holocaust exists among Gen Z. I said, holy shit, that's tragic. That's horrendous. That scared me as a millennial. Ugh, but hey, I don't aim, you know what? Some people are gonna just use that just to spew. Look, I'm against Islamophobia, anti-Semitism, anti-black, anti-Span, anti-whatever characteristic. And look, I did a recent interview with a transgender that was an experience, a pretty enlightening one, okay? Because I didn't have much experience on the transgender, and there was one example where I showed my reaction is pretty transphobic because of what the right wing told me. And I was kind of listening to them on that one until the experience was it was not true.

SPEAKER_00: 1:01:49

See, we need more people like you. We really need more people like you who are open-minded and willing to listen to to both sides. So I really appreciate you, and I appreciate you having me on your show.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:00

I appreciate you for coming because some say they want to talk and then they ghosts. So, oh, there you go. Yeah, ghosts. Hey, maybe maybe you see ghosts, you know. I don't know. Subject, you know, all I'm gonna say is experiences may vary. That's a little disclaimer. Uh that that's the best way I could put it. While selling, you know, while sound like a scammy capitalist. But but I I'm I'm still capitalist, but I but I do agree on reform on that for sure. Because this current system needs to change.

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Not working. So that part I could no need for me to to debate or even change your mind on that. It's not working. I'm a most outdoors reform capitalism. Alrighty then. So let me wrap this up. Uh, trust me, I could go on like this for another hour, but me and her got other things to do, okay? So for my plug-in. Look, like, comment, subscribe, share this with someone who you believe could tremendously benefit from this. And then for reviews, leave it on an Apple Podcast, leave an honest review. If it's a four-star or less, give one reason how this episode could have improved. Okay, one specific reason. And if it's a five-star, give one reason why it was great. You know, just saying this episode was great or it sucks, it doesn't help. Yes, I reject empty compliments and empty insults. Yep. I reject both. Give me specifics, give me constructive feedback. Even if it leans negative, it's okay. I've got some, and trust me, I've taken care of it. Lighting was an issue, got it. Sound has improved. Got it. So believe it or not, your feedback is valuable, and I do take it very seriously. This is why I'm wearing my adult hat now. So just lecturing you and attacking you verbally sometimes. Now, to you, Laura listeners, you know who I am. You know I'm a big kooky, so you know who I am already, okay? So that's all I'm gonna say about that. And now for the three plugins. The very free one, join a new paper. If you want news without any political spin, right? You can just read the news straight. I mean, the longest reads can be five minutes because they're very short, straight to the point. They got stocks, sports, international news, national news, pop culture, whatever, right? So you just go right there, you just click on the link, it's for free. Just click on it, sign up for it, you get a short article, especially if you're busy, you don't got time to read. I get it. Some of you very busy like me. So this is a good source for you. Oh, and join potmatch. This is how me and Diana met and most guests I've met through potmatch, and most of them are wonderful. Most of them are wonderful people, and they are credible people, and you get to meet with a community of people who are, I gotta say, very diverse on thought. Definitely well, demographics is could still use some improvement, but it's slowly getting there. But they're all generally kind people, okay? You can try for free too. All right, there's a link right there to join PotMatch. And for the final one, and I'll say the coolest one, if you want a free to low-cost website, and this is you giving me money without even pulling your wallet. I know that doesn't make sense. But you click on that link, that company will be giving the money to me because they want people that are young and talented agency. If you want or need a website, go to them. The free website guys.com. Okay, you'll be giving me money without having to hurt your wallet. Well, it could be better than that. Come on. You know, you know, if you have a negative$1,000 bank account, you're still giving me money. Well, I cannot help you with your bank, but hey, you don't need to drown yourself further into debt, okay? So that's all I got for you. So whenever you complete this visual audio journey, you have a blessed day, afternoon, or night,